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Re: Hornets in position to trade 1st round pick? 

Post#81 » by yosemiteben » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:55 pm

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yosemiteben wrote:"Id love to do the trade, but unless some difference maker gets frustrated where he is at then I doubt we are able to make a trade work."

Al + Lance + Vonleh + two unprotected firsts for Cousins + Thompson.


Now that I would do in a heartbeat, exactly the sort of big fish you go after. Not that Sactown would go for it, but Boogie would feast in the East. Can you imagine the Cavs trying to handle him? Would be a nightmare.

MKG needs to get in Cousins's ear. Cousins is already pissed about losing his coach and who knows if he could be available if it gets personal between him and their owner. There aren't going to be many more situations that are as unstable as Sacramento.

Wishful thinking, but maybe they could make something happen if Sacramento falls apart down the stretch.
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Post#82 » by Hornet Mania » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:01 pm

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yosemiteben wrote:"Id love to do the trade, but unless some difference maker gets frustrated where he is at then I doubt we are able to make a trade work."

Al + Lance + Vonleh + two unprotected firsts for Cousins + Thompson.


Now that I would do in a heartbeat, exactly the sort of big fish you go after. Not that Sactown would go for it, but Boogie would feast in the East. Can you imagine the Cavs trying to handle him? Would be a nightmare.

MKG needs to get in Cousins's ear. Cousins is already pissed about losing his coach and who knows if he could be available if it gets personal between him and their owner. There aren't going to be many more situations that are as unstable as Sacramento.

Wishful thinking, but maybe they could make something happen if Sacramento falls apart down the stretch.


Yeah, it seems like the new ownership is not making changes for the better over there(aside from keeping the team in town, which is excellent). It's a shame because they have some great fans, I'm always sympathetic towards other small market franchises.

That's basically the logic behind my reluctance to unload a 1st for anyone who isn't an all-star. Every once in awhile a KG, Harden (although he wasn't quite viewed that highly yet), Dwight, or Love comes along and demands out. You build slowly and establish yourself as a young team with promise where a superstar could jump right into a great supporting cast, then you offer a bunch of picks and a couple young assets and see what happens. Not a can't-miss strategy by any means, but I like it better than doing what the Pelicans opted for and trading a 1st for someone like Asik.
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Post#83 » by powerforward » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:11 pm

I love the idea of a move similar to what the wiz did, just worried that if we make a move it will be for a guy that take MKG minutes. I'm not in favor for a 1st for wilson chandler or afflalo, but ryan anderson sure. Who is possibly available ( based off of rumors or situation).

Possibilities
1) Faried - probably would need more than a mid round 1st.
2) Chandler Frye- not interested- seems like he fell off a cliff this season
3) JJ Reddick- if we could get him for a lotto protected first, I would do that
4) Kanter- probably would need more than a 1st
5) Afflalo- not interested
6) Dragic- doubtful but I would be all over 1st, lance and zeller for dragic and plumlee
7) Joe johnson- like him here but his contract is massive and seems like we should get a 1st back to take him
8) Lamb- I guess, I just hear everybody on hear in love with him so I'm willing to see, but I also remember how everybody loved terrance williams instead of hendo and kept wanting us to get him.
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Post#84 » by BeesWax » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:16 pm

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Now that I would do in a heartbeat, exactly the sort of big fish you go after. Not that Sactown would go for it, but Boogie would feast in the East. Can you imagine the Cavs trying to handle him? Would be a nightmare.

MKG needs to get in Cousins's ear. Cousins is already pissed about losing his coach and who knows if he could be available if it gets personal between him and their owner. There aren't going to be many more situations that are as unstable as Sacramento.

Wishful thinking, but maybe they could make something happen if Sacramento falls apart down the stretch.


Yeah, it seems like the new ownership is not making changes for the better over there(aside from keeping the team in town, which is excellent). It's a shame because they have some great fans, I'm always sympathetic towards other small market franchises.

That's basically the logic behind my reluctance to unload a 1st for anyone who isn't an all-star. Every once in awhile a KG, Harden (although he wasn't quite viewed that highly yet), Dwight, or Love comes along and demands out. You build slowly and establish yourself as a young team with promise where a superstar could jump right into a great supporting cast, then you offer a bunch of picks and a couple young assets and see what happens. Not a can't-miss strategy by any means, but I like it better than doing what the Pelicans opted for and trading a 1st for someone like Asik.

I mean if Cousins flipped out and publicly demanded a trade I would like to have all our assets at our disposal. I agree it is not likely but tying up a pick with protection limits what you can do if the possibility comes up.

Sending out a pair of our young bigs with a st and filler would be a solid enough package to get some consideration.
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Post#85 » by Flip Murray » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:47 pm

Hornet Mania wrote:Not interested in trading any picks for anyone who's not an established All-Star who is not on the decline (so no Joe Johnson or Deron Williams) or top-tier prospect like Wiggins/Jabari/Embiid. In that case they would be part of a package. The last time we tried moving a 1st to help our playoff push we ended up with Tyrus Thomas.

Plus it wasn't too long ago that we lost 10 games in a row. If Kemba's knee cyst, or whatever is it, blows up our season or Al relegates Biz to 8mpg there's always a chance that's the "real" 2014-2015 Charlotte Hornets. In that case we need the lottery pick anyway.

I'm probably more conservative than most, but I would only trade 1sts in a Love/Harden-type scenario. Otherwise you hold onto them at all costs. They are essentially the only way to ever land a young player with potential locked into a cap-friendly deal. I'm not impressed by the Wizards strategy simply because the team they have now has essentially no chance of winning a title with the current team. I'd rather grow our core slowly than commit to a big splash trade UNLESS it's the fast-track to contention. If it's the fast-track to the 5th seed I pass every time, but I understand given the lack of success the franchise has had being in the second round might be worth it to many fans and I respect that.


I want joe johnson, but actually for a lot of reasons you said (obviously don't give up any good young assets to get him). I think he keeps the Hornets respectable, solidly gets us in the playoffs, plus becomes a major trade asset next year when he is on that huge expiring. I think a 24 million expiring is worth more than a late first round pick to be honest. We could then use his contract to make a big trade next year, or worst case scenario let him expire and spend the cap space smartly (hahaha) in the summer of 2016.

Its not like Joe Johnson is Tyrus Thomas. He's an established 7 time all star with 13 years of evidence to back his game up. I'd rather have him than another late draft pick. I don't think he's the fast track to multiple years of the five seed its sort of a rental. Maybe we could resign him on a fair contract down the line or move him in a really big upgrade.

I should have prefaced all that by saying i'm not a believer in the title or bust mentality.

trust me i know all about the Tyrus Thomas trade. Hell i was in it.
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Post#86 » by powerforward » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:39 pm

"I should have prefaced all that by saying i'm not a believer in the title or bust mentality."

Amen- I want a team that is enjoyable to watch and competitive year in and year out.
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Post#87 » by BlackOutBuzz » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:47 pm

Johnson would be a great get IMO. His salary is absurd, but it's only for two years. All of our big contracts are expiring in 2016 anyway, so no loss in consolidating a few of them for Joe.

That said, that contract isn't worth a first rounder, but I think he'd fit great here.
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Post#88 » by stinger14 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:19 pm

yosemiteben wrote:"Id love to do the trade, but unless some difference maker gets frustrated where he is at then I doubt we are able to make a trade work."

Al + Lance + Vonleh + two unprotected firsts for Cousins + Thompson.


Send Cody, keep Vonleh, kid has a chance to be a stud. Thompson and Marv can handle PF for now
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Post#89 » by powerforward » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:24 pm

I would trade anything and everything we have to get cousins. In fact I think we already tried and were turned down.
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Post#90 » by catch20two » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:25 pm

I always thought it was inevitable and would be interesting to figure out which one out of Zeller or Vonleh get traded.
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Post#91 » by JDR720 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:40 pm

catch20two wrote:I always thought it was inevitable and would be interesting to figure out which one out of Zeller or Vonleh get traded.

I dont think either one of them should be, not many teams have 2 (possibly) 2-way starting PF's, great depth.
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Post#92 » by yosemiteben » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:44 pm

I'll give Sacro either one they want if it means we also turn Al and Lance into Cousins.
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Post#93 » by catch20two » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:47 pm

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catch20two wrote:I always thought it was inevitable and would be interesting to figure out which one out of Zeller or Vonleh get traded.

I dont think either one of them should be, not many teams have 2 (possibly) 2-way starting PF's, great depth.

It's bound to happen. It doesn't have to happen this year or next year but eventually. I wouldn't wanna trade either tho right now. I seen what type of player Zeller likely will be. Vonleh is a ball of clay tho, don't know what he's gonna be just yet.
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Post#94 » by BobsBuddy » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:59 pm

:D :D :o :o :roll: :roll: :-? :-? I was talking to Dmuto123... we agreed that if the deadline gets close and OKC can't work a deal with Brooklyn for Lopez,we might be able to deal Al to them for some good pieces that would help us.
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Post#95 » by LofJ » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:17 pm

I don't think OKC would go for sending out Jones. And if we're the two main trade partners with OKC getting Jefferson I think we'd have to involve a third team to help OKC get under the tax. Perkins and Lamb to us, Al and JT to OKC, and some third team that can absorb a few million without sending anything else out.
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Post#96 » by vorbis » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:43 pm

anyone that I would be willing to send a first round pick for ahead of draft day would be pretty much a no-brainer kind of player. like if SAC got brain damage and did the Lance + Al + 1st round picks for Cousins kind of insane deal. outside of that, I am very much in the camp of keep the pick until the actual draft, and then see what kind of moves you can make, in the draft or out of it.
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Post#98 » by HornetJail » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:18 am

Just posted this in the T&T board:
Marvin, Hendo, Neal, Max, Hairston, 2nd, rights to swap 2015 1sts (CHA or ATL) to Brooklyn for Joe Johnson and Cory Jefferson?

Would cut some excess **** out of our lineup, get some scoring punch, allow us to play Al and Lance off the bench, and open up roster spots for CDR and Jeff Adrien or for another trade
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Post#99 » by TheKingofSting » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:21 am

If it improves us into a top 5 seed then I am all for it.
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