Official Trade Thread: The Block Is Hot!!

[AtheJ415]

I think it's funny that people keep mentioning how we have this core of players who are 25 and younger. They see it as if to mean that a bunch of those players have star potential or something.

Right now, out of the 25 & younger players who we actually give playing time to, Bledsoe and Len are literally the only two players who have the potential to be anything more than solid role players.

Really, Warren and Goodwin don't have the potential to be anything more than solid role players? Did you submit your resume for GM? Because you apparently know more than McDonough.

I think it's funny that people keep mentioning how we need a core of 4-5 guys with all-star potential, and everyone else is worthless or expendable. I find it even funnier that we have so many advanced scouts on here who can state precisely how high our players' ceilings are.

[lilfishi22]

I just think we as fans overrate the doom and gloom mentality due to impatience.

We have a great group of 25 and under players. We are 1 trade or home run draft pick from contention. And everyone is questioning the GM who got us there based on hypothetical situations that haven't occurred (losing Dragic b/c of IT, not being able to trade IT, Markieff continuing to rack up league leading amounts of techs, etc.). Let things play out and then judge. Because this particular GM has earned more trust in his early moves than any GM I can think of in this entire league.

Thank you

I see all the "negative" events which have been listed like PJ's DUI, Morri's problems with authority and Goran's impending FA status and I really don't think it's all that different to what many other teams go through from a season to season basis.
- Every season or two, a player gets done for DUI, they get penalised and we move on. It isn't an organisation issue, it's an individual player issue, which we've dealt with.
- Our team leading the league in T's is not new, we've been top 5 as a team in T's as far back as 2011. It's an issue that needs to be addressed but it isn't like it's something that come to fruition because of the bad locker room juju this season.
- As for Goran's impending FA status, every team with an impact player going into FA will all go through the same process. If every player resigns with their team without listening to offers, we wouldn't have free agency. Goran leaving is something to be concerned about but it isn't a problem unique to the Suns

A lot of these issues are being clumped together and made to look like there's a fundamental problem with the organisation and it just isn't the case.

[AtheJ415]

That great group of players that are 25 and under, and ACTUALLY play in the rotation, include Bledsoe, Len, and the Morris Bros. The Morris Brothers attitudes have not won them too many fans of late, and its a safe bet that neither will be an all star. So that leaves the Suns with only two players, 25 or younger, that have all star potential and are in the rotation. That seems pretty pathetic for a team that lacks a franchise player and is supposed to be rebuilding.

You really believe this team is one trade away from being a contender? This roster is too flawed for a single trade or draft pick to turn us into contenders over night, or maybe I am not drinking enough of the Suns Kool-Aid?

I'm sorry, but who are these teamed filled with under 25 players that have 3-4 guys who have all star potential? You're also eliminating Warren, Goodwin, and Ennis from the convo simply because our team is so much better than a typical rebuilding team that they can't make the rotation. That's not a problem--it's a good thing.

Ask the Denver Nuggets and their fans if thats a good thing.

This whole "We're rebuilding but we're doing it by not giving any of our rookies or sophomores (besides Len) minutes" may be a successful thing in the short run but it's not in the long run.

The freaking Spurs who are contenders every year found ways to get playing time for Kawhi Leonard and their rookie this year.

But no, we're too good for our rookies and sophomores to get playing time.

Who does Denver have that has/had all star potential? Seriously I'd like to know. That's throwing a team with 0-1 potential all-star imo for a team with at least 2 and probably 3 between one of Warren and Goodwin. And I can ask the Spurs about how good it can work out when you have a bunch of good players and play a team that has 3 superstars and nothing else.

[AtheJ415]

Spurs rookie played 25 minutes total this year. In my best Yoda voice: "Full of poop you are."

Well back to the topic of trades, we can't trade just one of the twins, so any of those trades should be out.

I still like trading Green and a pick to Boston for Sullinger. It gives us some room to possibly move both Twins, while giving us a stretch four who can rebound.

Why can't we trade just one of the twins? I get they'd be upset, but they're on long-term deals and will get over it.

[bwgood77]

I think it's funny that people keep mentioning how we have this core of players who are 25 and younger. They see it as if to mean that a bunch of those players have star potential or something.

Right now, out of the 25 & younger players who we actually give playing time to, Bledsoe and Len are literally the only two players who have the potential to be anything more than solid role players.

I don't think you can count out Warren or possibly even Ennis. We don't know enough about these guys yet. These guys were both among the best in college, and Ennis led the #1 team in the nation (for much of the year) as a FRESHMAN. Nobody does that. Warren won ACC player of the year over Parker.

Even if Len and Bledsoe became all stars and everyone else was a solid role player, that is a pretty good recipe for success.

I don't doubt that Warren and Ennis can ball. I think Warren & Ennis will suffer the same fate as Archie Goodwin.

Warren will NEVER get playing time with both Marcus and Tucker on the team. And what does both Tucker and Marcus have in common? Their both locked in on long term deals and neither are huge trade assets.

Ennis will NEVER get playing time with Dragic, Bledsoe and IT. What do two of those three have in common? Their both locked in on long term deals. Even if Dragic walks, Ennis playing time won't increase because it's not like they can plug IT or Ennis at SG like they do with Dragic.

Personally I think Warren, Ennis and Goodwin will all be good-great players but it won't be for the Suns.

I think Warren will be a rotation player next year (and possibly by the end of this year) and a probably a starter by year three (or maybe at some point next year, like Len). Tucker will end up being a good bench 3 and D guy and don't we have a team option in year 3? I think if IT is traded, Ennis will get plenty of time off the bench this year in the last couple months and will be a quality backup guard by next year. If Goodwin can learn to shoot, he will be the future 2 off the bench, it will basically be between him and Bullock.

I think we will continue to try and consolidate a package of many of these assets for a big trade. This is what McD helped Ainge with in Boston and Houston ended up doing the same.

Not everyone will pan out though and that is to be expected. Marcus and PJ don't make too much, and Kieff is definitely a good value so I think we are ok. I don't think being 10-12 deep is a bad thing. Most rookies are not ready to contribute major minutes, and often times second year players are not either. There will also be injuries, and we look pretty well equipped to weather those, unless it's Len.

[RunDogGun]

Spurs rookie played 25 minutes total this year. In my best Yoda voice: "Full of poop you are."

Well back to the topic of trades, we can't trade just one of the twins, so any of those trades should be out.

I still like trading Green and a pick to Boston for Sullinger. It gives us some room to possibly move both Twins, while giving us a stretch four who can rebound.

Why can't we trade just one of the twins? I get they'd be upset, but they're on long-term deals and will get over it.

Possibly, but if they are negative now, I wouldn't want to see how negative they would be if we traded just one.

[Revived]

I'm sorry, but who are these teamed filled with under 25 players that have 3-4 guys who have all star potential? You're also eliminating Warren, Goodwin, and Ennis from the convo simply because our team is so much better than a typical rebuilding team that they can't make the rotation. That's not a problem--it's a good thing.

Ask the Denver Nuggets and their fans if thats a good thing.

This whole "We're rebuilding but we're doing it by not giving any of our rookies or sophomores (besides Len) minutes" may be a successful thing in the short run but it's not in the long run.

The freaking Spurs who are contenders every year found ways to get playing time for Kawhi Leonard and their rookie this year.

But no, we're too good for our rookies and sophomores to get playing time.

Who does Denver have that has/had all star potential? Seriously I'd like to know. That's throwing a team with 0-1 potential all-star imo for a team with at least 2 and probably 3 between one of Warren and Goodwin. And I can ask the Spurs about how good it can work out when you have a bunch of good players and play a team that has 3 superstars and nothing else.

Everyone thought Danillo Gallinarri, Wilson Chandler, Ty Lawson and Kenneth Faried would have all star potential after they traded Melo and won like 57 games or something.

People were ripping on the Knicks sayibg how the Nuggets raped them in that deal by getting young potential stars.

[JMac1]

Gambo and Ash were just on talking to McD.....after the discussion Gambo stated that he knew inside discussion were about Goran and IT. He said we will not be bringing back 3 PGs next year, but the conundrum is, do we trade IT and keep Goran or do we keep IT and let Goran walk?

If we trade IT and Goran still walks because he gets an absurd offer, leaves us with neither. If we keep IT, then we can't keep Goran. So that is the basis of the issue.

I think you have to trade IT!

Yes, we could possibly loose both of them, which would suck. You gave 2 scenario's but left out the 3rd, which is to keep IT and trade Dragic. You dont let him walk, you get whatever assets you can for him.

They never mentioned that. Of course that is a huge possibility; problem is, they my want to keep Goran and they don't really know what the future holds for the summer of 15.

[JMac1]

Gambo and Ash were just on talking to McD.....after the discussion Gambo stated that he knew inside discussion were about Goran and IT. He said we will not be bringing back 3 PGs next year, but the conundrum is, do we trade IT and keep Goran or do we keep IT and let Goran walk?

If we trade IT and Goran still walks because he gets an absurd offer, leaves us with neither. If we keep IT, then we can't keep Goran. So that is the basis of the issue.

I think you have to trade IT!

Yes, we could possibly loose both of them, which would suck. You gave 2 scenario's but left out the 3rd, which is to keep IT and trade Dragic. You dont let him walk, you get whatever assets you can for him.

They never mentioned that. Of course that is a huge possibility; problem is, they may want to keep Goran and they don't really know what the future holds for the summer of 15.

[Revived]

Spurs rookie played 25 minutes total this year. In my best Yoda voice: "Full of poop you are."

Except he has played 339 minutes total this year, which averages out to 12 mins/game. In my best human voice: "Full of s**t you are."

http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXaXXanderky01.html

[AtheJ415]

Ask the Denver Nuggets and their fans if thats a good thing.

This whole "We're rebuilding but we're doing it by not giving any of our rookies or sophomores (besides Len) minutes" may be a successful thing in the short run but it's not in the long run.

The freaking Spurs who are contenders every year found ways to get playing time for Kawhi Leonard and their rookie this year.

But no, we're too good for our rookies and sophomores to get playing time.

Who does Denver have that has/had all star potential? Seriously I'd like to know. That's throwing a team with 0-1 potential all-star imo for a team with at least 2 and probably 3 between one of Warren and Goodwin. And I can ask the Spurs about how good it can work out when you have a bunch of good players and play a team that has 3 superstars and nothing else.

Everyone thought Danillo Gallinarri, Wilson Chandler, Ty Lawson and Kenneth Faried would have all star potential after they traded Melo and won like 57 games or something.

People were ripping on the Knicks sayibg how the Nuggets raped them in that deal by getting young potential stars.

1. I don't think anyone who really knows basketball thought that about those 4.

2. Even if they did, all it does is show that having a bunch of potential all stars rarely works out such that they actually become all stars. This would work counter to your argument. That's 4 potential all stars who were young and got abundant playing time.

[MilotheSlayer]

PHX in - David West, Solomon Hill
Indy in - IT, PJ

We get a good leader along with a nice role player. This would help us a lot against teams like MEM and Chi. We shed a little long term salary in the process. We might have to throw in a pick to make it worth it for Indy but I think they'd consider it.

[Saberestar]

Dragic is an overall better player than Isaiah Thomas and we have his Bird rights so in my opinion we have to trade Thomas for a good player or/and pick and then sign Dragic this summer.
Bledsoe and Dragic in the backourt and Len at center are the only clearly great pieces to build around that we have on our team, we can not lose this structure.

[Kerrsed]

For all of those who were interested in trading for Teletovic (I myself never saw what all the fascination was about):

Teletovic was released from the Los Angeles hospital that had treated him for blood clots in his lungs, and is expected to fly home today, the team announced to reporters Wednesday morning. A team official confirmed the report to The Brooklyn Game. Teletovic was checked into a hospital during the team’s loss to the Los Angeles Clippers on January 22, later diagnosed with bilateral pulmonary embolus. He has been ruled out for the season. - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.FcN8e1xM.dpuf

[Zelaznyrules]

Spurs rookie played 25 minutes total this year. In my best Yoda voice: "Full of poop you are."

Except he has played 339 minutes total this year, which averages out to 12 mins/game. In my best human voice: "Full of s**t you are."

http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXaXXanderky01.html

JaMychal Green. Rookie. San Antonio Spurs. 25 minutes. Did you specify which rookie?

[Revived]

Spurs rookie played 25 minutes total this year. In my best Yoda voice: "Full of poop you are."

Except he has played 339 minutes total this year, which averages out to 12 mins/game. In my best human voice: "Full of s**t you are."

http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXaXXanderky01.html

JaMychal Green. Rookie. San Antonio Spurs. 25 minutes. Did you specify which rookie?

Who? It should be assumed that I'm talking about their 1st rd pick not their undrafted free agent.

When I'm talking about Suns 1st rd picks (Warren & Ennis), it's obvious you should compare it to another team's 1st rd pick not a player who has bounced around various D league teams and summer league rosters in JaMychal Green...

[Kerrsed]

Except he has played 339 minutes total this year, which averages out to 12 mins/game. In my best human voice: "Full of s**t you are."

http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXaXXanderky01.html

JaMychal Green. Rookie. San Antonio Spurs. 25 minutes. Did you specify which rookie?

Who? It should be assumed that I'm talking about their 1st rd pick not their undrafted free agent.

When I'm talking about Suns 1st rd picks (Warren & Ennis), it's obvious you should compare it to another team's 1st rd pick not a player who has bounced around various D league teams and summer league rosters in JaMychal Green...

I was just going to say the same thing! Why would he compare our 2 1st round picks against the Spurs 2nd round pick (while ignoring their 1st)? Doesnt make sense.

It is funny that our rookies were drafted #14 & #18 and the Spurs drafted Anderson with the last pick of the 1st round.

Also speaking of Green:

The San Antonio Spurs have decided not to sign forward JaMychal Green to a second 10-day contract, a source told Yahoo Sports.

At least the Spurs did give him 25 minutes, which is a lot more than we have given any of our 2nd round picks for the past 5 years.

[RunDogGun]

Spurs rookie played 25 minutes total this year. In my best Yoda voice: "Full of poop you are."

Except he has played 339 minutes total this year, which averages out to 12 mins/game. In my best human voice: "Full of s**t you are."

http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXaXXanderky01.html

JaMychal Green. Rookie. San Antonio Spurs. 25 minutes. Did you specify which rookie?

Kyle Anderson was needed to start eight games, where he received the bulk of his minutes 161. Averaging twenty minutes a game over those eight, scoring 5 points per, and 4.4 rebounds per. The remainder of the games 19, he averaged 9 minutes scoring 1. something. Hardly anything anyone with knowledge about the sport would bring up, implying that the Spurs find time for their rookies.

None of that directed at you Zel.

[RunDogGun]

JaMychal Green. Rookie. San Antonio Spurs. 25 minutes. Did you specify which rookie?

Who? It should be assumed that I'm talking about their 1st rd pick not their undrafted free agent.

When I'm talking about Suns 1st rd picks (Warren & Ennis), it's obvious you should compare it to another team's 1st rd pick not a player who has bounced around various D league teams and summer league rosters in JaMychal Green...

I was just going to say the same thing! Why would he compare our 2 1st round picks against the Spurs 2nd round pick (while ignoring their 1st)? Doesnt make sense.

It is funny that our rookies were drafted #14 & #18 and the Spurs drafted Anderson with the last pick of the 1st round.

Also speaking of Green:

The San Antonio Spurs have decided not to sign forward JaMychal Green to a second 10-day contract, a source told Yahoo Sports.

At least the Spurs did give him 25 minutes, which is a lot more than we have given any of our 2nd round picks for the past 5 years.

On basketball reference, Green is the only player on the roster with an R next to his name, so maybe that would be the reason? Anderson was needed to start eight games, so it wasn't like they found minutes to give him because they know how to develop their youth, which is what was implied. Almost half of his minutes were from this eight games, where he averaged pretty crappy numbers 5/4 in 20 mins per.

Make sense now?

[Grots]

Who? It should be assumed that I'm talking about their 1st rd pick not their undrafted free agent.

When I'm talking about Suns 1st rd picks (Warren & Ennis), it's obvious you should compare it to another team's 1st rd pick not a player who has bounced around various D league teams and summer league rosters in JaMychal Green...

I was just going to say the same thing! Why would he compare our 2 1st round picks against the Spurs 2nd round pick (while ignoring their 1st)? Doesnt make sense.

It is funny that our rookies were drafted #14 & #18 and the Spurs drafted Anderson with the last pick of the 1st round.

Also speaking of Green:

The San Antonio Spurs have decided not to sign forward JaMychal Green to a second 10-day contract, a source told Yahoo Sports.

At least the Spurs did give him 25 minutes, which is a lot more than we have given any of our 2nd round picks for the past 5 years.

Anderson was needed to start eight games, so it wasn't like they found minutes to give him because they know how to develop their youth, which is what was implied. Almost half of his minutes were from this eight games, where he averaged pretty crappy numbers 5/4 in 20 mins per.

Make sense now?

He wasn't needed to start. They had Austin Daye to play over him. They chose to give him more minutes and a bigger role.