Official Trade Thread: The Block Is Hot!!

[MrMiyagi]

I don't think enough people quite realize the upgrade Harris would provide over Tucker.

It would be like swapping your Ford Focus for a Porsche 911.

Maybe the Porsche owner wants to get that Lambo but that doesn't mean that you, as a Ford Focus driver, shouldnt try to upgrade to that Porsche asap.

I'd love to be able to bring PJ off of the bench. If the rumors about Harris not wanting to be in Orlando are true, I think we've got to make the push to get him.

I think that you've wanted to upgrade Kieff, but Kieff is nowhere nears as big of a hole as PJ is. I love PJ, but he's a hustle guy off the bench. A bruiser who can bully a second squad. Coming in defending like crazy and working his ass off for rebounds 20 minutes a night is really what his role should be.

[Revived]

I don't think enough people quite realize the upgrade Harris would provide over Tucker.

It would be like swapping your Ford Focus for a Porsche 911.

Maybe the Porsche owner wants to get that Lambo but that doesn't mean that you, as a Ford Focus driver, shouldnt try to upgrade to that Porsche asap.

I'd love to be able to bring PJ off of the bench. If the rumors about Harris not wanting to be in Orlando are true, I think we've got to make the push to get him.

I think that you've wanted to upgrade Kieff, but Kieff is nowhere nears as big of a hole as PJ is. I love PJ, but he's a hustle guy off the bench. A bruiser who can bully a second squad. Coming in defending like crazy and working his ass off for rebounds 20 minutes a night is really what his role should be.

I think both SF and PF need to be improved. I said last year that we had the worst front court in the West and I was right. This year we upgraded from Plumlee to Len which is good and from Frye to Kieff which can still use improvement.

Yea I see Tucker more like a Thabo Sefolosha type guy than Draymond Green or Demare Caroll.

A bench guy to provide some energy.

[suns91fan]

I don't think enough people quite realize the upgrade Harris would provide over Tucker.

It would be like swapping your Ford Focus for a Porsche 911.

Maybe the Porsche owner wants to get that Lambo but that doesn't mean that you, as a Ford Focus driver, shouldnt try to upgrade to that Porsche asap.

He would be upgrade for the team if you watch the big picture, and his future potential. But right now, i don't think he would imrove this team. He demands a lot more shots than Tucker, which would only mean, less shots for Bledsoe, Dragic, Thomas, Markieff etc. Would that upgrade the Suns offense that is currently No.7 in the league? No. Best case it stays the same, but only if Harris blends in perfectly. Worst case, Suns' offense go out of Top 10. And now the defense. Not much to compare here. Tucker is considered a good defender, while Harris is average at the very best.

So, as i said. If it's the move for the future, then fine. But it wouldn't make the Suns better right now.

[Revived]

I don't think enough people quite realize the upgrade Harris would provide over Tucker.

It would be like swapping your Ford Focus for a Porsche 911.

Maybe the Porsche owner wants to get that Lambo but that doesn't mean that you, as a Ford Focus driver, shouldnt try to upgrade to that Porsche asap.

He would be upgrade for the team if you watch the big picture, and his future potential. But right now, i don't think he would imrove this team. He demands a lot more shots than Tucker, which would only mean, less shots for Bledsoe, Dragic, Thomas, Markieff etc. Would that upgrade the Suns offense that is currently No.7 in the league? No. Best case it stays the same, but only if Harris blends in perfectly. Worst case, Suns' offense go out of Top 10. And now the defense. Not much to compare here. Tucker is considered a good defender, while Harris is average at the very best.

So, as i said. If it's the move for the future, then fine. But it wouldn't make the Suns better right now.

I disagree with you about it not helping us now but regardless, of course the future should be prioritized over the present.

[Barkley6]

I don't think enough people quite realize the upgrade Harris would provide over Tucker.

It would be like swapping your Ford Focus for a Porsche 911.

Maybe the Porsche owner wants to get that Lambo but that doesn't mean that you, as a Ford Focus driver, shouldnt try to upgrade to that Porsche asap.

He would be upgrade for the team if you watch the big picture, and his future potential. But right now, i don't think he would imrove this team. He demands a lot more shots than Tucker, which would only mean, less shots for Bledsoe, Dragic, Thomas, Markieff etc. Would that upgrade the Suns offense that is currently No.7 in the league? No. Best case it stays the same, but only if Harris blends in perfectly. Worst case, Suns' offense go out of Top 10. And now the defense. Not much to compare here. Tucker is considered a good defender, while Harris is average at the very best.

So, as i said. If it's the move for the future, then fine. But it wouldn't make the Suns better right now.

Yes, he will take more shots than Tucker, but that should also help our ball movement improve, and will mean that defenders can't sag off him into the paint (Like they do with Tucker on nights his shot isn't falling), thereby opening up more driving lanes for our guards. I think that ball movement is the biggest issue this team has, when the ball is moving well and 4 or 5 players are touching it each possession we look unstoppable, but when the ball sticks and only 1 or 2 players touch it we look like a lottery team.

[AtheJ415]

I don't think enough people quite realize the upgrade Harris would provide over Tucker.

It would be like swapping your Ford Focus for a Porsche 911.

Maybe the Porsche owner wants to get that Lambo but that doesn't mean that you, as a Ford Focus driver, shouldnt try to upgrade to that Porsche asap.

He would be upgrade for the team if you watch the big picture, and his future potential. But right now, i don't think he would imrove this team. He demands a lot more shots than Tucker, which would only mean, less shots for Bledsoe, Dragic, Thomas, Markieff etc. Would that upgrade the Suns offense that is currently No.7 in the league? No. Best case it stays the same, but only if Harris blends in perfectly. Worst case, Suns' offense go out of Top 10. And now the defense. Not much to compare here. Tucker is considered a good defender, while Harris is average at the very best.

So, as i said. If it's the move for the future, then fine. But it wouldn't make the Suns better right now.

Yes, he will take more shots than Tucker, but that should also help our ball movement improve, and will mean that defenders can't sag off him into the paint (Like they do with Tucker on nights his shot isn't falling), thereby opening up more driving lanes for our guards. I think that ball movement is the biggest issue this team has, when the ball is moving well and 4 or 5 players are touching it each possession we look unstoppable, but when the ball sticks and only 1 or 2 players touch it we look like a lottery team.

Regardless of improvement for this year, it doesn't matter. This is a team with a core that is likely to reach its peak in 2-3 years, not this year. Any moves should be made with the idea of maximizing our talent and fit at that peak period. Adding Harris regardless of how it impacts Tucker is a no-brainer. I'd do it even if you told me it guaranteed we miss the playoffs this season. Keeping Kief imo is also a no brainer (I see countless trades with him involved, and it just doesn't make sense given his age unless we're upgrading to one of the 4 PF's who are better than him and younger than him).

[AtheJ415]

Btw: I was all for keeping dragic but I have now swayed to trading him now while he still can net us something.

Clearly dragic is not coming back.

I'm in this boat as well.

I went from being completeky confident that Goran stays to completely confident that no chance he stays in the matter of 5 months lol.

And can anyone blame him if? If I had just made an all-nba team and they move ME out of position to accommodate the newly aquired third PG on the team, and promote last season's second ballhandler/SG (in which set up the team was very successful) to THE guy, I'd leave too. Thanks for the middle finger, I'm out!

Goran plays virtually the same role most of the game when he's on the court with Bledsoe. And frankly, he's done nothing this year to suggest he's better than Bledsoe right now. The only time he's out of position is when IT is also on the floor, but even then that's the best +/- lineup we have, so if Dragic is really a team guy, and he wants to leave for a burning trash heap like LAL or NYK, then I'll be happy to direct my own middle finger towards him. I like Gogi, but as a guy who plays hard and wants to win above all else. If he's leaving because he hates a role that statistics show helps us win, or because he doesn't get his own personal stats at as high a rate and would rather be "the guy" on a team like NYC or LAL who has a drastically worse shot of contending than Phoenix will over the next 5 years, then he's not the player I ever thought he was.

[AtheJ415]

Dragic was my favorite player last year. I just can't believe I praised him so high last season and now he is playing this bad. One thing I would say, when we traded him for Brooks, he was struggling at that time too.. we gave up on him so quick so maybe we should think twice about this time around... Only thing making me say yes to a trade is 1. He's not worth max money. And 2. He doesn't want to be here anyways and may look to leave.

Suns need to trade. Just hope it's a good trade. Would love to see Green get consistent minutes with the starters. Bad when he's in with IT.


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Lol. I have the opposite view. I want Green gone. He's worth the MLE to some team, and I don't want to pay him $8 mill a year going forward to chuck shots like it's nobody's business. I understand his value, but if he stopped playing that way and took good shots he'd be a better player who helps us win more. The only reason I could see keeping Green is if IT was moved. And IT at his future salary is just drastically better than what Greens will be if he expects us to match another team's offer. So essentially I only want this to happen if moving IT was a guarantee to keep Dragic for something reasonable. He can't expect anything near the veteran max given how he's played this season.

[NavLDO]

Would you guys do IT/Tucker/Warren/Suns 1st for Harris/Frye?
Bledsoe/Dragic/Harris/Kieff/Len
Ennis/Green/Marcus/Frye/Wright

I think I would. I know a lot of you guys dislike Frye, but at least he knows his role. He would bring some stability to our bench, and might provide that veteran leadership. With Harris at SF, I don't think we need an upgrade at PF as he could provide some help with rebounding. Plus I know nobody respects Tucker's shot because he has that terrible shotput inconsistent jumper. Well that defender would no longer be able to play loosely as Harris can hit the three with consistency.
I also see this trade as being easier for the Magic to do as they get rid of Frye... and we know how to use Frye more effectively.

No. Suns are giving up too much. Suns didn't want to pay Frye that much in July, you think they do now? I'm also not convinced the Magic want to take on PJ's salary, sure it's better than Frye's, but it's still not the best thing for a team that's probably trying to bottom out. If you made a deal of IT/Bullock or Warren/Plumlee for Harris/Ben Gordon, I think that makes better sense for both teams.

Agreed. I want nothing to do with Frye's $8M per for the next 3 years--that really hamstrings us going forward. Your 1st deal is better, but not sure they'd want IT's contract anymore than PJ's.

But on more general terms, why is everyone so adamant about getting Harris? I keep reading how SF is a position of need, but I really don't see that with having PJ/Mook/Warren already on the roster. We keep hearing about how much we have invested at the PG position, but add Harris at his $12Mish estimated salary, and all of a sudden we have nearly $25M invested next year at the SF position. The only reason I'd want Harris is if we intended to use him as a PF to share time with Kieff, or if we used Mook at the 4 exclusively. Either way is fine with me, and at that point, sure, bring him on. Both Harris and Mook have the requisite size to defend at the 4, and both have extensive minutes at the 4 as well. But then, we have Warren, who will likely be ready next season to get meaningful minutes at the 3.

Basically, I think McD messed up by signing PJ long-term at that cost. He should be a $4M per backup. They signed both Mook and PJ longterm, then drafted Warren--why? Neither are NBA starter-worthy SFs. We signed two back-ups, pure and simple. but if they move Mook to PF exclusively, trade PJ, then bring in Harris to share time with Warren at the 3, then great.

Bledsoe/Ennis/Ridnour
Dragic/Goodwin/Dragic/B. Gordon
Harris/Warren/Bullock
Kieff/Mook
Len/Wright/Plumlee

(or swap Mook and Harris, which ever is better)

If we could get to something like that next season, or heck, after the trade deadline, then great. We are only 'weak' at one position (PF)--not two, like we are now. And with that lineup going forward, we are probably easily an 7-8 seed team, as I bet Dragic becomes motivated and starts to return to last year's level of play. This would require us to trade PJ, IT, and Green, for Ridnour, Harris, and B. Gordon, which they'd never do, unless we included the LAL 1st for their trouble.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ojcsprf

...or we keep IT, and included some other draft pick considerations.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lgewdwm

IDK, but we need to change something soon, and IMO, PJ needs to be one of the 1st players gone and either let Warren start, or get a T. Harris-type via trade/FA, because PJ as a starter is a hindrance to our success.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Seems to me the block's gone cold just as the deadline approaches.

[Frank Lee]

the quiet before the storm

[JMac1]

the quiet before the storm

This is Arizona, it is always quiet until monsoon season and that isn't until July. We have not had a major deal since JRich. Our team is like our state, too damn conservative.

[MrMiyagi]

the quiet before the storm

This is Arizona, it is always quiet until monsoon season and that isn't until July. We have not had a major deal since JRich. Our team is like our state, too damn conservative.

I wouldn't say that. I think McD is probably texting/calling everyone who is looking to deal. Most of the trades he's made seem like ones he's had to work himself into (Bled, Wright, Bullock). While some haven't been blockbuster superstar landing moves, doesn't mean they aren't aggressive ones.

[Sunsdeuce]

Nobody has any "little birdie" info? Or has anyone heard anything (trade wise)?

[Frank Lee]

let the haboob begin!



I don't think the FO has the luxury of doing nothing. Lets just hope they do not do something just to do something. Trading IT would show a lot of confidence in making Dragic a lifetimer. And trading Dragic would sure show some stones. Moving the MoBros could be a self-policing sign to the rest. The rest of our guys are not going to bring back that much.


yup... might have to wait for monsoon season after all

[KLEON]

Dragic was my favorite player last year. I just can't believe I praised him so high last season and now he is playing this bad. One thing I would say, when we traded him for Brooks, he was struggling at that time too.. we gave up on him so quick so maybe we should think twice about this time around... Only thing making me say yes to a trade is 1. He's not worth max money. And 2. He doesn't want to be here anyways and may look to leave.

Suns need to trade. Just hope it's a good trade. Would love to see Green get consistent minutes with the starters. Bad when he's in with IT.


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Lol. I have the opposite view. I want Green gone. He's worth the MLE to some team, and I don't want to pay him $8 mill a year going forward to chuck shots like it's nobody's business. I understand his value, but if he stopped playing that way and took good shots he'd be a better player who helps us win more. The only reason I could see keeping Green is if IT was moved. And IT at his future salary is just drastically better than what Greens will be if he expects us to match another team's offer. So essentially I only want this to happen if moving IT was a guarantee to keep Dragic for something reasonable. He can't expect anything near the veteran max given how he's played this season.

The funniest thing is he played that way last season, so I don't know what the hell is up with him now with his terrible shot selection. He's just playing his way out of a good contract. Maybe he wants to go back to playing in Russia and China

[BurningHeart]

The Suns haven't had a major deal since Jason Richardson?

What the ****?

[Sunlight]

This is annoying if we let Stat leak to Mavs. Almost all Suns legendary SSOL team players win title in other team. Already Diaw and Marion, soon Barbosa and Stat. Only good thing Nash don't. Lol.

[Zelaznyrules]

Dragic was my favorite player last year. I just can't believe I praised him so high last season and now he is playing this bad. One thing I would say, when we traded him for Brooks, he was struggling at that time too.. we gave up on him so quick so maybe we should think twice about this time around... Only thing making me say yes to a trade is 1. He's not worth max money. And 2. He doesn't want to be here anyways and may look to leave.

Suns need to trade. Just hope it's a good trade. Would love to see Green get consistent minutes with the starters. Bad when he's in with IT.


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Lol. I have the opposite view. I want Green gone. He's worth the MLE to some team, and I don't want to pay him $8 mill a year going forward to chuck shots like it's nobody's business. I understand his value, but if he stopped playing that way and took good shots he'd be a better player who helps us win more. The only reason I could see keeping Green is if IT was moved. And IT at his future salary is just drastically better than what Greens will be if he expects us to match another team's offer. So essentially I only want this to happen if moving IT was a guarantee to keep Dragic for something reasonable. He can't expect anything near the veteran max given how he's played this season.

The funniest thing is he played that way last season, so I don't know what the hell is up with him now with his terrible shot selection. He's just playing his way out of a good contract. Maybe he wants to go back to playing in Russia and China

For the most part he was getting consistent minutes last year and had a better understanding of his role. This season it's been much more hit and miss. Remember last year how well he'd play filling in for a missing starter but how poorly he'd play the first game or two when he went back to the bench? I don't think he understands how come he can score 26 points and hit the game winning shot and still be relegated to the bench once the starter returns to the lineup. I just don't know if he's bright enough to see the big picture, often times we need his game winning heroics because of his abysmal defense and his inability/unwillingness to facilitate for others. I like him but having him, IT and Marcus on the same roster is overkill on steroids.

[Revived]

The Suns haven't had a major deal since Jason Richardson?

What the ****?

I think he meant during the season.

Regardless, I think the Gortat trade counts as a major trade but that's probably the last time we made a major deal during the season.