Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

CanadaBucks · Post #3701 » by **CanadaBucks** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:11 pm

If Brandon Bass was really going to be the difference in winning a playoff series or not, he wouldn't be available for JOB....Just go with what we have...More chance of JOB providing us something in the future than Bass

GoldenAntlers · Post #3702 » by **GoldenAntlers** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:14 pm

yoshii8 wrote:Why all of the Brandon Bass love?

I read bass for job straight up. Seemed like a no brainier. Adding picks has complicated this issue.

Dcebucks11 · Post #3703 » by **Dcebucks11** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:16 pm

afflalo now bass .. y do people suggest trading even the clippers pick for them ..

tski1972 · Post #3704 » by **tski1972** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:18 pm

it's all about the Bass, bout the Bass, no picks though.

MrPerfect1 · Post #3705 » by **MrPerfect1** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:20 pm

It is amazing that people would trade a 1st Rounder for Bass. Getting Bass literally provides the team 0 benefit. The last thing MIL should do is be giving away picks for mediocre veterans.

Can someone explain how getting Bass gets us closer to winning a title any time soon?

Giannis Parker · Post #3706 » by **Giannis Parker** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:23 pm

MrPerfect1 wrote:It is amazing that people would trade a 1st Rounder for Bass. Getting Bass literally provides the team 0 benefit. The last thing MIL should do is be giving away picks for mediocre veterans.

Can someone explain how getting Bass gets us closer to winning a title any time soon?

One person brought it up, seemingly for attention.

My suggestion was Job for Bass straight up, and that makes a lot of sense. I know people think JoB can possible contribute in the future, but I doubt it. Would rather make a small win now move and clear up the cap space and roster spot moving forward.

M-C-G · Post #3707 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:24 pm

RayRayJones wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
RayRayJones wrote:Because what is that pick going to be worth? A pick in the 20s isn't worth much. And maybe Bass comes in here, helps us win a playoff series, and resigns. I think he would be a GREAT mentor to Jabari if we're planning on having him play the 4.

In 2011 that kind of pick could have likely netted you Jimmy Butler or Chandler Parsons
In 2012 that kind of pick could have likely netted you Perry Jones, Draymon Green
In 2013 that kind of pick could have likely netted you Rudy Gobert or Archie Goodwin
In 2014 that kind of pick could have likely netted you Mitch McGary or Clint Capela (which we were unable to trade up for)

Hitting on any one of those, would be worth a hell of a lot.

Yes, could have. No guarantees. I understand the hype of keeping the pick in hopes of hitting on a player with starting caliber, but the reality is the insane majority of players picked in the 20s turn out to be role players. Now certainly Bass is another one of those role players, especially by now in his career.

Would you guys do the Clippers 1st straight up for Bass then? I agree it is an overpay, but I don't think it's as ridiculous as being made out.

Save that pick as ammo to make a bigger move...Even though it may end up the last pick in the first round, it's still called a first rounder. If you go after Ty Lawson, it's a lot easier for Denver to sell it if they "got two 1st round picks for Lawson"....It's house money, the goal should be to turn it into a game changer.

Insomniaac · Post #3708 » by **Insomniaac** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:27 pm

No thanks to Bass but I wouldn't be opposed to moving the Clips pick for the right thing, I think it's possible (though maybe not likely) that it ends up as two seconds rounders. Doc Rivers has been truly terrible as GM or POBO or whatever he is and I could see that team falling apart.

Ron Swanson · Post #3709 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:31 pm

With the Kings getting closer to a deal with George Karl, I really wonder if they'd consider a Knight for 2015 1st swap. If they're really stubbornly intent on going all "win-now", he'd be an upgrade over Collison, and they'd have his RFA rights to match.

I'd even offer to take back Jason Thompson's contract to make it work.

ampd · Post #3710 » by **ampd** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:31 pm

I'm fine with giving up picks in the right trade, though in that case it needs to be for a difference maker not brandon bass.

Giannis Parker · Post #3711 » by **Giannis Parker** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:33 pm

If we are holding that Clips pick for a game changer, I am not holding my breathe at all.

Not many guards in the league impact the game, think Lawson is proving he himself does not impact the game much this season as well. Impact players typically play the 3 or the 4, and I believe we have that with Giannis and Jabari. The next closest thing I see to being an impact player would be to make a move for Pekovic as he is a straight up beast down low, but the injuries are a real concern.

Giannis Parker · Post #3712 » by **Giannis Parker** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:37 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:With the Kings getting closer to a deal with George Karl, I really wonder if they'd consider a Knight for 2015 1st swap. If they're really stubbornly intent on going all "win-now", he'd be an upgrade over Collison, and they'd have his RFA rights to match.

I'd even offer to take back Jason Thompson's contract to make it work.

In last years draft, yes, in 2015's draft, HECK NO....

Knight is slowly becoming everything that we all want out of our PG, trading him for 8-12 in a weak draft would be worse than the Tobias debacle. I know most wont agree now, but in 1-2 years you are all going to agree with me on Knight.

CanadaBucks · Post #3713 » by **CanadaBucks** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:38 pm

You want to use that first? See if you can find something that might interest the the Mgic for KOQ. The guy fits our squad perfectly imo, low-usage, good rebounder, good passer and decent range. He's a RFA and I think it would take more that the Clips 1st but that's the type of guy we should look at imo, not Brandon bass

M-C-G · Post #3714 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:39 pm

Another game changer could be something in the draft like, Henson, our first and the clipper first to move up...The point being, the worst case scenario is you get a second swing on a prospect in 2017, the best case scenario is you use it in a quantity for quality move.

CanadaBucks · Post #3715 » by **CanadaBucks** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:39 pm

Giannis Parker wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:With the Kings getting closer to a deal with George Karl, I really wonder if they'd consider a Knight for 2015 1st swap. If they're really stubbornly intent on going all "win-now", he'd be an upgrade over Collison, and they'd have his RFA rights to match.

I'd even offer to take back Jason Thompson's contract to make it work.

In last years draft, yes, in 2015's draft, HECK NO....

Knight is slowly becoming everything that we all want out of our PG, trading him for 8-12 in a weak draft would be worse than the Tobias debacle. I know most wont agree now, but in 1-2 years you are all going to agree with me on Knight.

Now here I agree with you

M-C-G · Post #3716 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:41 pm

Giannis Parker wrote: I know most wont agree now, but in 1-2 years you are all going to agree with me on Knight.

This is a pretty stubborn group, I'd be shocked if you got 50% of them, no matter how good Knight is.

Even if he takes another jump next season, the commentary will be around the value for his contract and word like "toxic" and "albatross" will be thrown around.

I like your zest though.

ampd · Post #3717 » by **ampd** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:43 pm

Giannis Parker wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:With the Kings getting closer to a deal with George Karl, I really wonder if they'd consider a Knight for 2015 1st swap. If they're really stubbornly intent on going all "win-now", he'd be an upgrade over Collison, and they'd have his RFA rights to match.

I'd even offer to take back Jason Thompson's contract to make it work.

In last years draft, yes, in 2015's draft, HECK NO....

Knight is slowly becoming everything that we all want out of our PG, trading him for 8-12 in a weak draft would be worse than the Tobias debacle. I know most wont agree now, but in 1-2 years you are all going to agree with me on Knight.

From a value standpoint it's not a terrible trade. The kings pick will probably be middle of the top 10 and we'd save money.

From a pr and basketball standpoint it has no chance of happening as its essentially a tank move. We're 3 games out of the 3rd seed at the moment. I can't see us cutting the legs out from under this team with trades that make us clearly worse.

I could see it if we were one of the teams vying for the 8th seed 10 games under .500 but we aren't.

SkilesTheLimit · Post #3718 » by **SkilesTheLimit** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:43 pm

If I could get the Kings #1, I'd pack Knight's bags for him.

The Kings will be in the lottery this year.

Top 3 protected would be fine.

That's huge value and gives us the ability to have 2 1sts and Jabari/Inglis coming in essentially as "rookies" next year.

Remember...#OwnTheFuture.

Giannis Parker · Post #3719 » by **Giannis Parker** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:51 pm

SkilesTheLimit wrote:If I could get the Kings #1, I'd pack Knight's bags for him.

The Kings will be in the lottery this year.

Top 3 protected would be fine.

That's huge value and gives us the ability to have 2 1sts and Jabari/Inglis coming in essentially as "rookies" next year.

Remember...#OwnTheFuture.

And what part of a 23yr old PG who is trending forward is not #OwnTheFuture.....

M-C-G · Post #3720 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:54 pm

SkilesTheLimit wrote:If I could get the Kings #1, I'd pack Knight's bags for him.

The Kings will be in the lottery this year.

Top 3 protected would be fine.

That's huge value and gives us the ability to have 2 1sts and Jabari/Inglis coming in essentially as "rookies" next year.

Remember...#OwnTheFuture.

Pretty sure it was suggested as a swap of 1st.