Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[ampd]

Maybe try watching him play?

He's not bad, but his offensive impact is overstated on here, and there is no way I'd pay what the Wolves would ask.

Nobody would pay what the Wolves would ask. You've still entirely wrong about him.

So he's good off the ball, he's not one of the worst shooters in the league, he doesn't have a 50% higher TOV% than Brandon Knight, he's not injury prone, and he hasn't captained mostly average offenses and mediocre defenses on bad teams?

You massively overrate him. He's not a 16 year old phenom anymore. He's 24 and he's still the same player he was at 16.

That's not a bad player, but it's certainly not someone I'd even consider packaging a huge pile of assets for.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Playoffs are all halfcourt with very little transition. I think Knight becomes a TO machine and Giannis will get hacked every time he touches the ball. Maybe we win a game or two by hitting a bunch of 3s but unless Giannis puts the team on his back we aren't winning a series.

we have a top 3 defense. of course we can win a series.

since the 11-12 mark, and as our rotations have solidified.... here are some interesting facts.

were 18-11 overall
were 6-8 against teams over .500 and have a +1.57 point diff in those games.
were 12-3 against teams under .500 and have a +7.73 point diff in those games.

heading into the break, over the last 29 games, weve been playing to a 53-54 win pace.... and since that 11-12 mark when we lost to okc... we haven't been out of a single game in the last 2 minutes. not one. worst margin was a 8 point loss.

but recently... weve even been playing better. our defense has held, our offense has improved, and we are now one of the top shooting teams in the league. we have a potential game changing star in giannis emerging. weve been shorthanded playing multiple stretches of games where guys like Jorge and job had to play major minutes because we literally didn't have bodies.

frankly a case could be made that over the last 30 games weve been the strongest team in the east outside of Atlanta. they being a team we blew out on their homecourt by 30. a team I think we match up well against. certainly a case could be made a gelling Cleveland team could pose a problem.... but our defense against their lack of it provides a wonderful opportunity to perhaps steal a game early on their homecourt and make a series with them.

bottom line is you guys have to believe. I know this team certainly does. and for the first time, in a long time, without any more injuries... I think we may have something headed into may.

[AussieBuck]

He's not bad, but his offensive impact is overstated on here, and there is no way I'd pay what the Wolves would ask.

Nobody would pay what the Wolves would ask. You've still entirely wrong about him.

So he's good off the ball, he's not one of the worst shooters in the league, he doesn't have a 50% higher TOV% than Brandon Knight, he's not injury prone, and he hasn't captained mostly average offenses and mediocre defenses on bad teams?

You massively overrate him. He's not a 16 year old phenom anymore. He's 24 and he's still the same player he was at 16.

That's not a bad player, but it's certainly not someone I'd even consider packaging a huge pile of assets for.

Congrats on your gianniparker level post. For a good poster you're an all time bad PG evaluater.

[ampd]

If we can find that piece that helps shore up our rebounding problems that would help dramatically. Our biggest problem in the playoffs is going to be the Bulls and Wizards (and to a lesser extend the Raps) destroy us on the glass.

[ampd]

Nobody would pay what the Wolves would ask. You've still entirely wrong about him.

So he's good off the ball, he's not one of the worst shooters in the league, he doesn't have a 50% higher TOV% than Brandon Knight, he's not injury prone, and he hasn't captained mostly average offenses and mediocre defenses on bad teams?

You massively overrate him. He's not a 16 year old phenom anymore. He's 24 and he's still the same player he was at 16.

That's not a bad player, but it's certainly not someone I'd even consider packaging a huge pile of assets for.

Congrats on your gianniparker level post. For a good poster you're an all time bad PG evaluater.

I really do have a blind spot for scoring PGs

I like Rubio, but to be most effective, I think he needs a team constructed around him in much the same way Rondo does. I wouldn't give up a lot to try that experiment here. That's not a knock against Rubio, I just think we have 2 players on the roster already who will end up better than him and I'd rather fit a PG to them and not the other way around.

[Matches Malone]

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[JayMKE]

I still don't trust Hammond

[SkilesTheLimit]

Kidd could turn around tomorrow and pull off a win now trade. Hammond has as much say in personnel as any of us do at this point.

[Chapter29]

Maybe try watching him play?

He's not bad, but his offensive impact is overstated on here, and there is no way I'd pay what the Wolves would ask.

How much more do you think Rubio will get over Knight?

[ReasonablySober]

Hammond keeps trotting out the future rhetoric, while the actual people in charge play for today.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Maybe try watching him play?

He's not bad, but his offensive impact is overstated on here, and there is no way I'd pay what the Wolves would ask.

How much more do you think Rubio will get over Knight?

Rubio got a 4 year/$55 million extension back in October. I wouldn't give that to Knight but I imagine he/his agent will aim high, he might very well get something similar to that if he finishes the year well.

[Badgerlander]

Playoffs are all halfcourt with very little transition. I think Knight becomes a TO machine and Giannis will get hacked every time he touches the ball. Maybe we win a game or two by hitting a bunch of 3s but unless Giannis puts the team on his back we aren't winning a series.

we have a top 3 defense. of course we can win a series.

since the 11-12 mark, and as our rotations have solidified.... here are some interesting facts.

were 18-11 overall
were 6-8 against teams over .500 and have a +1.57 point diff in those games.
were 12-3 against teams under .500 and have a +7.73 point diff in those games.

heading into the break, over the last 29 games, weve been playing to a 53-54 win pace.... and since that 11-12 mark when we lost to okc... we haven't been out of a single game in the last 2 minutes. not one. worst margin was a 8 point loss.

but recently... weve even been playing better. our defense has held, our offense has improved, and we are now one of the top shooting teams in the league. we have a potential game changing star in giannis emerging. weve been shorthanded playing multiple stretches of games where guys like Jorge and job had to play major minutes because we literally didn't have bodies.

frankly a case could be made that over the last 30 games weve been the strongest team in the east outside of Atlanta. they being a team we blew out on their homecourt by 30. a team I think we match up well against. certainly a case could be made a gelling Cleveland team could pose a problem.... but our defense against their lack of it provides a wonderful opportunity to perhaps steal a game early on their homecourt and make a series with them.

bottom line is you guys have to believe. I know this team certainly does. and for the first time, in a long time, without any more injuries... I think we may have something headed into may.

So what, we are talking Playoff Basketball. HALF COURT OFFENSE? Bueller? Show me some stats on our halfcourt offense and defense being better than any of the top five teams in the east, because thats what wins ballgames in the playoffs. Our vaunted bench isn't going to outscore anybody in the playoffs. I love what we are doing so far but when our offense struggles its turn over and chucker city and lately even against teams we should be stomping on.

[worthlessBucks]

"Anything we are looking at today is still hopefully going to be focused on maybe acquiring a piece or adding pieces that could be future long-term players for this organization," Hammond said.

John really needs to be wearing a blindfold when he speaks to the media. He is in the dark.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

we have a top 3 defense. of course we can win a series.

since the 11-12 mark, and as our rotations have solidified.... here are some interesting facts.

were 18-11 overall
were 6-8 against teams over .500 and have a +1.57 point diff in those games.
were 12-3 against teams under .500 and have a +7.73 point diff in those games.

heading into the break, over the last 29 games, weve been playing to a 53-54 win pace.... and since that 11-12 mark when we lost to okc... we haven't been out of a single game in the last 2 minutes. not one. worst margin was a 8 point loss.

but recently... weve even been playing better. our defense has held, our offense has improved, and we are now one of the top shooting teams in the league. we have a potential game changing star in giannis emerging. weve been shorthanded playing multiple stretches of games where guys like Jorge and job had to play major minutes because we literally didn't have bodies.

frankly a case could be made that over the last 30 games weve been the strongest team in the east outside of Atlanta. they being a team we blew out on their homecourt by 30. a team I think we match up well against. certainly a case could be made a gelling Cleveland team could pose a problem.... but our defense against their lack of it provides a wonderful opportunity to perhaps steal a game early on their homecourt and make a series with them.

bottom line is you guys have to believe. I know this team certainly does. and for the first time, in a long time, without any more injuries... I think we may have something headed into may.

So what, we are talking Playoff Basketball. HALF COURT OFFENSE? Bueller? Show me some stats on our halfcourt offense and defense being better than any of the top five teams in the east, because thats what wins ballgames in the playoffs. Our vaunted bench isn't going to outscore anybody in the playoffs. I love what we are doing so far but when our offense struggles its turn over and chucker city and lately even against teams we should be stomping on.

our bench hasn't been winning games like it was early... its been our starters. even knights turned all his numbers around. we have a +7.7 diff and 12-3 record against teams we should be stomping on lately. I have no idea what your talking about there. and the reason half court offense in the playoffs gets stifled is that DEFENSE gets turned up. that's our teams strength! its DEFENSE that determines playoff basketball... not teams deciding to play half court offense just because. defensive intensity is what drives that difference......and that will play directly into our hands!

I believe our system is built for the playoffs. top notch swarming defense with a mini san antonio plug and play offense. an offense where multiple players can hit the 3 ball. offense that doesn't rely on just one or two shotmakers. we play a lesser version of exactly what won last years title.... a lesser version of exactly what Atlanta and gs are doing. that's WHY weve been successful. this rhetoric about what this team cant do is meaningless. were winning ball games exactly the way id want to enter the playoffs. good defense and nobody playing salmons level outlier offense. I understand why fans might be gunshy about giving them credit but as has been stated previously..... pt diffs and expected w/l's show this team playing right where they should be. there isn't anything fake going on here.

[raferfenix]

Regardless of whether Kidd would or could push for a win now trade, it's better that Hammond is saying this -- especially in contrast to attempting to justify previous win now deadline deals.

While it doesn't appear as if the Bucks will make a major trade prior to the 2 p.m. CT deadline on Feb. 19, Hammond didn't rule out making a deal if it fits into the team's future plans.

The last time Milwaukee was in the playoff race, it dealt young forward Tobias Harris to the Orlando Magic as part of a six-player trade that brought J.J. Redick to the Bucks.

[VooDoo7]

Kidd could turn around tomorrow and pull off a win now trade. Hammond has as much say in personnel as any of us do at this point.

Bucks trade Kenyon Martin for Elden Campbell.

[AussieBuck]

So he's good off the ball, he's not one of the worst shooters in the league, he doesn't have a 50% higher TOV% than Brandon Knight, he's not injury prone, and he hasn't captained mostly average offenses and mediocre defenses on bad teams?

You massively overrate him. He's not a 16 year old phenom anymore. He's 24 and he's still the same player he was at 16.

That's not a bad player, but it's certainly not someone I'd even consider packaging a huge pile of assets for.

Congrats on your gianniparker level post. For a good poster you're an all time bad PG evaluater.

I really do have a blind spot for scoring PGs

I like Rubio, but to be most effective, I think he needs a team constructed around him in much the same way Rondo does. I wouldn't give up a lot to try that experiment here. That's not a knock against Rubio, I just think we have 2 players on the roster already who will end up better than him and I'd rather fit a PG to them and not the other way around.

He's very different from Rondo, I honestly don't think you've watched much of him at all. He specializes in getting guys the ball where they want it quickly. He spent last season bring the ball up and handing it to Love and playing off ball until a play broke down where he'd get the ball back to create something fast in the second half of the clock. That offense was killer too. Rubio would be an absurd weapon kickstarting breaks to Giannis and Parker. He's also great at post entries, pick and roll passing and hitting cutters. He's not a guy dribbling out the clock waiting for an open jumpshooter.

[Badgerlander]

our bench hasn't been winning games like it was early... its been our starters. even knights turned all his numbers around. we have a +7.7 diff and 12-3 record against teams we should be stomping on lately. I have no idea what your talking about there.

Our starters have definitely improved over the season. Knight is shooting 37% the last 10 games. I'm talking about being down 17 against the Nets, the Celtics pulling within 1 point with 2 minutes left, overtime against the Lakers...

and the reason half court offense in the playoffs gets stifled is that DEFENSE gets turned up. that's our teams strength! its DEFENSE that determines playoff basketball... not teams deciding to play half court offense just because. defensive intensity is what drives that difference......and that will play directly into our hands!

I believe our system is built for the playoffs. top notch swarming defense with a mini san antonio plug and play offense. an offense where multiple players can hit the 3 ball. offense that doesn't rely on just one or two shotmakers. we play a lesser version of exactly what won last years title.... a lesser version of exactly what Atlanta and gs are doing. that's WHY weve been successful. this rhetoric about what this team cant do is meaningless. were winning ball games exactly the way id want to enter the playoffs. good defense and nobody playing salmons level outlier offense. I understand why fans might be gunshy about giving them credit but as has been stated previously..... pt diffs and expected w/l's show this team playing right where they should be. there isn't anything fake going on here.

Defense puts you in position to win but you still have to be able to outscore the opponent. The other teams D gets turned up too, and refs let a lot of contact go especially if its not a star player. When the chips are down you have to have a guy that can score when he has to. The last 5 games Giannis has stepped up to an amazing level of play. San Antonio has Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli to lean on. Right now we are winning with defense and a lot of transition, transition that won't be there come playoff time. Call it rhetoric because you want to feel good but I need to see some halfcourt offense bloom before I have any confidence in winning a playoff series.

[steger_3434]

Has it been found out what the trade was that wichmae went crazy over a few weeks ago?

[AussieBuck]

Has it been found out what the trade was that wichmae went crazy over a few weeks ago?

Do we know if he survived that trip?