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Re: Little League World Series Scandal 

Post#101 » by Tenchi Ryu » Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:07 pm

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If by the coach you mean the whistle-blower, then he isn't racist. He's married to a black woman for goodness sake's.

Doesn't really excuse the potential imo, you can be homosexual, and still be a homophobe. There are plenty of situations where a white person has a black spouse, but generally doesn't like black people. They love that one person, doesn't necessarily mean they care for the entire race.

WIN wrote:Unless there's a real objective reason to believe this was due to racism (i.e. an actual racist quote or proof), this type of thinking only does more harm than good.

I really think that bringing up race into this situation is just another reason why real race related issues are ignored, it just helps undermine them.


This could have been done internally and the JRW team itself could have been notified first. Nah, the whistleblower went out his way to nationally embarrass little children just to get the last laugh. Now personally I don't think racism is the entire issue, just straight up being salty as hell for getting your ass kicked is majority of the problem. But it makes you question if this same effort would have been put for the team in Evanston instead of the far south side of Chicago.

As far as being ignored, most understanding minorities learned a long time ago that the people who like to ignore these situations will ignore them regardless if there is a real case or not, so credibility isn't exactly cared for. Most aren't saying what the team did wasn't cheating, but if you're gonna do the research, be fair and do it for all the teams, not just the all black team who managed to beat you and win it all.
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Re: Little League World Series Scandal 

Post#102 » by Tenchi Ryu » Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:11 pm

Futhermore, if the new reports are accurate, the whistleblower doesn't have a problem with what they did in general considering he has done it himself multiple times. But its just a problem when THIS team does it.
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Re: Little League World Series Scandal 

Post#103 » by WIN » Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:20 pm

Tenchi Ryu wrote:Doesn't really excuse the potential imo, you can be homosexual, and still be a homophobe. There are plenty of situations where a white person has a black spouse, but generally doesn't like black people. They love that one person, doesn't necessarily mean they care for the entire race.


Come on man, seriously? If you want to accuse someone of being racist, at least accuse someone that fits that narrative.This dude married a black woman, he's possibly got mixed kids. There is zero reason for me to believe he did this because he's racist. The only thing that makes sense to me is that he's salty that his team got their a$$es whooped, which makes wayyyyy more sense than any of these racist allegations do.

Tenchi Ryu wrote:Most aren't saying what the team did wasn't cheating, but if you're gonna do the research, be fair and do it for all the teams, not just the all black team who managed to beat you and win it all.


Had the team been all white and on the national stage like this team, I truly believe he would've done the same thing (he probably wanted the limelight...who knows), they just happened to be a black team. To me, it's simple, his team lost to a team that cheated and he's salty. There is still zero reason for me to believe this has anything to do with race, especially given the fact that he married a woman of the same race you claim he hates. Just because the team happens to be black isn't a good enough reason to make such harsh accusations; to me, doing so is just irresponsible. Your opinion is all speculation, there are no facts and the logic behind it is well....well there is no logic behind it, none of it makes sense.

Don't mean to be harsh, and you have a right to your own opinion, I'm certainly not trying to change your mind, but I think people saying he did this for racist reasons is ridiculous.
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Re: Little League World Series Scandal 

Post#104 » by RayClayMatthews » Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:16 am

WIN wrote:I hate how topics like these always get back to race, give me a friggin' break.



the story was big BECAUSE of race. Its racial and socioeconomic issues. so, no, you dont get a friggin break because if thats the front end of the story, its always gonna at least a question raised
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Re: Little League World Series Scandal 

Post#105 » by RayClayMatthews » Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:24 am

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WIN wrote:I hate how topics like these always get back to race, give me a friggin' break.


Folks are known for pulling the race card and it can get overboard, but its a legit worry here imo.

All black team curbstomps all white team, making the coach spend 3 months of his life pushing his agenda to get some kind of payback. Taking the L and getting denied 2 times wasn't enough, he kept pushing. This was personal.

The coach and his team being in Evergreen park, which is NOTORIOUS for racial discrimination and racial profiling in the Chicagoland area.


its not worth it, homie. its really not. there are people on this thread that just wont get it. its not even that they disagree, its that they get so defensive that they cant even hear what the other person is saying.

i feel you. its not saying something is automatically racist or racial when you just question it is. and sadly, we usually have to.

but dont waste your time, for real.
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Re: Little League World Series Scandal 

Post#106 » by WIN » Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:50 am

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WIN wrote:I hate how topics like these always get back to race, give me a friggin' break.



the story was big BECAUSE of race. Its racial and socioeconomic issues. so, no, you dont get a friggin break because if thats the front end of the story, its always gonna at least a question raised


My bad, I meant racism, not race. And please give me one objective reason as to why you believe they are being punished bc of racist reasons.
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Post#107 » by thejet1711 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:40 am

They CHEATED. People act as if that for some reason, if the EP coach is racist (which signs point to no), it will negate the cheating.


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Re: Little League World Series Scandal 

Post#108 » by Tenchi Ryu » Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:10 am

thejet1711 wrote:They CHEATED. People act as if that for some reason, if the EP coach is racist (which signs point to no), it will negate the cheating.


The actual act isn't even a big deal and proves how outdated this system is. These guys live 15 minutes from the park, yet you got people comparing it to them playing older kids or taking steroids. They're parents wanted them to have the best opportunities their skilled children deserved, not have to go to some run down garbage because the boundaries says so.
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Re: Little League World Series Scandal 

Post#109 » by WIN » Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:36 am

I wish that dude never tattled on them, but rules are rules and they are very clear. I wish they had gotten away with it because they were such an amazing story and a team everyone rooted for and got behind, but there's no excuse for cheating; the coaches knew what they were doing and now they're paying the consequences.
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Post#110 » by malcrk » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:51 am

It's extremely despicable that the coaches and whoever in charge deemed it necessary to break the rules to the point where they'd put these kids in such a predicament that will likely eat at their conscious for years, despite the players themselves likely having no idea what was being circumvented.

Grown ass men ruined these kids' moment in the sun. Grown ass men. But they're not the ones who will live long enough to watch these kids grow old and discuss the stigma of playing for a tainted championship that they knew nothing of 30-40 years from now. It's sad as hell.
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Re: Little League World Series Scandal 

Post#111 » by RayClayMatthews » Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:20 pm

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WIN wrote:I hate how topics like these always get back to race, give me a friggin' break.



the story was big BECAUSE of race. Its racial and socioeconomic issues. so, no, you dont get a friggin break because if thats the front end of the story, its always gonna at least a question raised


My bad, I meant racism, not race. And please give me one objective reason as to why you believe they are being punished bc of racist reasons.


why so defensive? did i say ANYTHING about believing it was? at all? you seem like the kinda guy that uses the term "race card" a lot though, huh?
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Re: Little League World Series Scandal 

Post#112 » by WIN » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:04 pm

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the story was big BECAUSE of race. Its racial and socioeconomic issues. so, no, you dont get a friggin break because if thats the front end of the story, its always gonna at least a question raised


My bad, I meant racism, not race. And please give me one objective reason as to why you believe they are being punished bc of racist reasons.


why so defensive? did i say ANYTHING about believing it was? at all? you seem like the kinda guy that uses the term "race card" a lot though, huh?


Me get defensive? Dude what are you talking about lol, take a chill pill 'fella, you sound confused.
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Re: Little League World Series Scandal 

Post#113 » by RayClayMatthews » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:24 pm

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My bad, I meant racism, not race. And please give me one objective reason as to why you believe they are being punished bc of racist reasons.


why so defensive? did i say ANYTHING about believing it was? at all? you seem like the kinda guy that uses the term "race card" a lot though, huh?


Me get defensive? Dude what are you talking about lol, take a chill pill 'fella, you sound confused.



this whole thread you seem pretty defensive and close minded to any possibility even or questioning of racial motivations...

also "And please give me one objective reason as to why you believe they are being punished bc of racist reasons." i never said that so you seemed like you were quick to jump to something that wasnt said anyway to defend that it isnt race related, ergo defensive
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Re: Little League World Series Scandal 

Post#114 » by transplant » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:48 pm

What actually happened here and why the action of the Little League authorities took in taking away JRW's title was justified is all pretty simple.

People's reactions, justifications and rationalizations is where this goes off the tracks and quickly ceases to have anything whatsoever to do with a team in the 2014 Little League tournament clearly playing players on their team who weren't eligible to play on their team.
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Re: Little League World Series Scandal 

Post#115 » by WIN » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:53 pm

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why so defensive? did i say ANYTHING about believing it was? at all? you seem like the kinda guy that uses the term "race card" a lot though, huh?


Me get defensive? Dude what are you talking about lol, take a chill pill 'fella, you sound confused.



this whole thread you seem pretty defensive and close minded to any possibility even or questioning of racial motivations...

also "And please give me one objective reason as to why you believe they are being punished bc of racist reasons." i never said that so you seemed like you were quick to jump to something that wasnt said anyway to defend that it isnt race related, ergo defensive


I was in a discussion of whether this was related to racism, which you decided to jump into. Not that hard to understand why i thought you were supporting that stance, especially since you stated that some people "don't get it" after I posted and now you're calling me closed minded on the stance that this is related to racism, which implies that you do believe this is related to racism. My mistake, if that's not your stance on this, you're giving some mixed messages here.

And your opinion on me being close minded about this holds no water based on my responses which I explained my reasoning in. If anyone seems close minded, it's you, given the responses you've given to other posters in this thread, which in some cases are simply rude, uninformed and reek of ignorance.

But go ahead and start calling people close minded and defensive for no reason,just proof that you have nothing to really add to the discussion.
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Re: Little League World Series Scandal 

Post#116 » by RayClayMatthews » Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:32 pm

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RayClayMatthews wrote:
WIN wrote:
Me get defensive? Dude what are you talking about lol, take a chill pill 'fella, you sound confused.



this whole thread you seem pretty defensive and close minded to any possibility even or questioning of racial motivations...

also "And please give me one objective reason as to why you believe they are being punished bc of racist reasons." i never said that so you seemed like you were quick to jump to something that wasnt said anyway to defend that it isnt race related, ergo defensive


I was in a discussion of whether this was related to racism, which you decided to jump into. Not that hard to understand why i thought you were supporting that stance, especially since you stated that some people "don't get it" after I posted and now you're calling me closed minded on the stance that this is related to racism, which implies that you do believe this is related to racism. My mistake, if that's not your stance on this, you're giving some mixed messages here.

And your opinion on me being close minded about this holds no water based on my responses which I explained my reasoning in. If anyone seems close minded, it's you, given the responses you've given to other posters in this thread, which in some cases are simply rude, uninformed and reek of ignorance.

But go ahead and start calling people close minded and defensive for no reason,just proof that you have nothing to really add to the discussion.


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