Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[ZeppelinPage]

I had hope for Henson coming into this year but he has proven to be nothing more than a rotational big man that can block shots.

What this team needs is a big, preferably a defensive one; that lives to rebound. Noel at the moment isn't the greatest rebounder (same TRB% as Henson), but he is way younger and already shows signs of being a top defensive big. Would gladly take a chance on a player like that and I rarely, if ever, support trading 1st round picks. Usually it's more important for a rebuilding team to keep those but Noel is a prospect that I doubt we would end up getting in the teens.

weve won at our best clip when hes been handed the keys as the starter.

weve got the 4th best defense in the league with a def rating of 102.5. Hensons def rating is 99. that's best on the team besides sanders at 98. as good as this defense has been in general.... its at its near best with Henson. and unlike sanders he dosnt harm the offense.

add in his new solid ft shooting. his elite ts%. his elite shotblocking.

sure he gets pushed around a little but so did sanders and so does noel. I don't know exactly what you were "hoping for" this season but what I was hoping for... im getting. a maturing player whose obvious talent is leading to success. success both for the team... and individually with a more defined playing style that's cleaned up some of the forced possessions we used to see from him in the past. his rebounding could use improvement, but unlike noel... we know he can rebound at this level as hes shown before.

He's regressed in rebounding every year. I doubt we see a sudden surge in his boards. This team is terrible at rebounding and that's what we need.

I'm sorry but you can't average 8 boards per 36 and be considered an elite defensive center. And with all honesty I think Henson's numbers are more of a product of Kidd's defensive system than his own. He's a good shotblocker but gets pushed around in the paint way too often to ever develop into a top defensive center.

Noel does everything Henson does but he's 20.

[MadBlueEdwards]

The Sixers aren't trading Nerlens Noel.

I think they'd have to consider that package though.

[Insomniaac]

The Sixers aren't trading Nerlens Noel.

I don't think noel ends up with us but I think Philly would move him in a second for the right package with embiid and saric on the team already and the fact the BPA at their pick this year could easily be another big

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I had hope for Henson coming into this year but he has proven to be nothing more than a rotational big man that can block shots.

What this team needs is a big, preferably a defensive one; that lives to rebound. Noel at the moment isn't the greatest rebounder (same TRB% as Henson), but he is way younger and already shows signs of being a top defensive big. Would gladly take a chance on a player like that and I rarely, if ever, support trading 1st round picks. Usually it's more important for a rebuilding team to keep those but Noel is a prospect that I doubt we would end up getting in the teens.

weve won at our best clip when hes been handed the keys as the starter.

weve got the 4th best defense in the league with a def rating of 102.5. Hensons def rating is 99. that's best on the team besides sanders at 98. as good as this defense has been in general.... its at its near best with Henson. and unlike sanders he dosnt harm the offense.

add in his new solid ft shooting. his elite ts%. his elite shotblocking.

sure he gets pushed around a little but so did sanders and so does noel. I don't know exactly what you were "hoping for" this season but what I was hoping for... im getting. a maturing player whose obvious talent is leading to success. success both for the team... and individually with a more defined playing style that's cleaned up some of the forced possessions we used to see from him in the past. his rebounding could use improvement, but unlike noel... we know he can rebound at this level as hes shown before.

He's regressed in rebounding every year. I doubt we see a sudden surge in his boards. This team is terrible at rebounding and that's what we need.

I'm sorry but you can't average 8 boards per 36 and be considered an elite defensive center. And with all honesty I think Henson's numbers are more of a product of Kidd's defensive system than his own. He's a good shotblocker but gets pushed around in the paint way too often to ever develop into a top defensive center.

Noel does everything Henson does but he's 20.

he really doesn't do everything Henson can do. and the one thing youre saying we need the most with rebounding hes no improvement either.... if anything hes worse. when Henson played pick up nba garbage time ball he grabbed everything in sight.

I would like to see hensons rebounding back at a better par. I think its system but strangely the system hasn't really affected zaza's rebounding that much off his career norm. we know he can do it... I think hes focused on something out there now when the ball goes up that maybe he wasn't before. lets stay patient and see if it corrects itself..... everything else sure seems to have corrected itself with him.

[randy84]

Serious question. If Noel shaves his head is he even 6'9"?

[JayMKE]

There is no question that Noel is a better player now and going forward than Henson, Noel is already a really good defender and he's only 20. The guy has some of best hands defensively in the league, guy is averaging like 1.6 steals a game.

[ZeppelinPage]

What are the advanced stats that say Noel is a beast defensively right now, or is this the eye-test thing? I know he gets me a few blks and stls now and then, but what's the real world numbers that tell me he's incredible on "D"?

Well for starters the 76ers had huge leaps in both shotblocking and points allowed when he came back for them.

If Noel’s DBPM remains at its current level of 3.1, he would become the only player in the history of the NBA to play at least 1,000 minutes and record a DBPM of above 3 in an age 20 season. For comparison’s sake, Dwight Howard posted a DBPM of 1.3 in his age 20 season. Howard went on to win three consecutive NBA Defensive Player of the Year awards between his age 23 and 25 seasons. The incumbent winner of that award is the aforementioned Noah, was 22 as a rookie and earned a DBPM of 2.5; he did not outdo Noel’s current production until his age 25 season.

Currently his DBPM is at 4.1, highest of all time for his age. And only 0.3 behind Henson, who is 24.

Nerlens allows a 46% FG around the rim on 8.7 attempts per game.
Henson allows a 51% FG around the rim on 6.4 attempts per game.

[Baddy Chuck]

Henson's carved a role this season from being potentially useless to a solid contributor but if we could get a player with the potential to be a major contributor you take it and run. Henson's 3 years into the league, already 24 and has shown almost no potential to being a major contributor outside one one Miami game many moons ago.

[randy84]

weve won at our best clip when hes been handed the keys as the starter.

weve got the 4th best defense in the league with a def rating of 102.5. Hensons def rating is 99. that's best on the team besides sanders at 98. as good as this defense has been in general.... its at its near best with Henson. and unlike sanders he dosnt harm the offense.

add in his new solid ft shooting. his elite ts%. his elite shotblocking.

sure he gets pushed around a little but so did sanders and so does noel. I don't know exactly what you were "hoping for" this season but what I was hoping for... im getting. a maturing player whose obvious talent is leading to success. success both for the team... and individually with a more defined playing style that's cleaned up some of the forced possessions we used to see from him in the past. his rebounding could use improvement, but unlike noel... we know he can rebound at this level as hes shown before.

He's regressed in rebounding every year. I doubt we see a sudden surge in his boards. This team is terrible at rebounding and that's what we need.

I'm sorry but you can't average 8 boards per 36 and be considered an elite defensive center. And with all honesty I think Henson's numbers are more of a product of Kidd's defensive system than his own. He's a good shotblocker but gets pushed around in the paint way too often to ever develop into a top defensive center.

Noel does everything Henson does but he's 20.

he really doesn't do everything Henson can do. and the one thing youre saying we need the most with rebounding hes no improvement either.... if anything hes worse. when Henson played pick up nba garbage time ball he grabbed everything in sight.

I would like to see hensons rebounding back at a better par. I think its system but strangely the system hasn't really affected zaza's rebounding that much off his career norm. we know he can do it... I think hes focused on something out there now when the ball goes up that maybe he wasn't before. lets stay patient and see if it corrects itself..... everything else sure seems to have corrected itself with him.

I think alot of Zaza's rebounding numbers come off his missed bunnies. I watched him get three rebounds just off one of his own misses.

[ZeppelinPage]

There were many on here that wanted to deal Henson before his 3rd year began. I wanted to keep him and see how he did in his 3rd year, I figured his rebounding might go up now that he was in a new system with Kidd. But it looks way worse, even watching Henson it is obvious he can't bring down boards like he did his first year, he gets pushed around too easily.

The point is, is if Noel is already putting up great defensive stats at age 20, there is no reason he can't improve. I see him becoming better on the boards as he gets older (because he was great at it in college if I remember correctly, no reason to think he just flat out can't rebound.)

The potential Noel has is way higher than what Henson has ever had, and especially higher than Henson at age 24.

[Treebeard]

I would like to see hensons rebounding back at a better par. I think its system but strangely the system hasn't really affected zaza's rebounding that much off his career norm. we know he can do it... I think hes focused on something out there now when the ball goes up that maybe he wasn't before. lets stay patient and see if it corrects itself..... everything else sure seems to have corrected itself with him.

Don't you think part of it is that Zaza is better at blocking out than most of our other bigs? Zaza just can't jump anymore though. Zaza & Giannis-to a lesser extent, are better at anticipating where to position themselves. To be fair to Henson, he's gotten some better at tipping the ball towards a Buck, if he can't reel it in himself. He's got a ways to go though before he's a good rebounder.

[bigkurty]

What are the advanced stats that say Noel is a beast defensively right now, or is this the eye-test thing? I know he gets me a few blks and stls now and then, but what's the real world numbers that tell me he's incredible on "D"?

Well for starters the 76ers had huge leaps in both shotblocking and points allowed when he came back for them.

If Noel’s DBPM remains at its current level of 3.1, he would become the only player in the history of the NBA to play at least 1,000 minutes and record a DBPM of above 3 in an age 20 season. For comparison’s sake, Dwight Howard posted a DBPM of 1.3 in his age 20 season. Howard went on to win three consecutive NBA Defensive Player of the Year awards between his age 23 and 25 seasons. The incumbent winner of that award is the aforementioned Noah, was 22 as a rookie and earned a DBPM of 2.5; he did not outdo Noel’s current production until his age 25 season.

Currently his DBPM is at 4.1, highest of all time for his age. And only 0.3 behind Henson, who is 24.

Nerlens allows a 46% FG around the rim on 8.7 attempts per game.
Henson allows a 51% FG around the rim on 6.4 attempts per game.

I'm sold

[jakecronus8]

Serious question. If Noel shaves his head is he even 6'9"?

[randy84]

What are the advanced stats that say Noel is a beast defensively right now, or is this the eye-test thing? I know he gets me a few blks and stls now and then, but what's the real world numbers that tell me he's incredible on "D"?

Well for starters the 76ers had huge leaps in both shotblocking and points allowed when he came back for them.

If Noel’s DBPM remains at its current level of 3.1, he would become the only player in the history of the NBA to play at least 1,000 minutes and record a DBPM of above 3 in an age 20 season. For comparison’s sake, Dwight Howard posted a DBPM of 1.3 in his age 20 season. Howard went on to win three consecutive NBA Defensive Player of the Year awards between his age 23 and 25 seasons. The incumbent winner of that award is the aforementioned Noah, was 22 as a rookie and earned a DBPM of 2.5; he did not outdo Noel’s current production until his age 25 season.

Currently his DBPM is at 4.1, highest of all time for his age. And only 0.3 behind Henson, who is 24.

Nerlens allows a 46% FG around the rim on 8.7 attempts per game.
Henson allows a 51% FG around the rim on 6.4 attempts per game.

So Nerlens' opponents score on 4 out of 8.7 attempts. That would be 8 pts.

Henson's opponent score on 3.2 out of 6.4 attempts. That would be 6 pts.

[TroyD92]

I can't imagine Philly wouldn't atleast consider Henson + First + Clippers pick. I'd love to throw Knight in the trade instead, but I doubt Philly has any interest in Knight.

[AussieBuck]

What are the advanced stats that say Noel is a beast defensively right now, or is this the eye-test thing? I know he gets me a few blks and stls now and then, but what's the real world numbers that tell me he's incredible on "D"?

I hadn't seen any numbers until just now but for me it's potential, defensive hands as mentioned and fit with Jabari on D. We aren't going to be a great defensive team going forward unless Parker has a massive jump on that end or we get a legit stopper back in the fold IMO.

[ZeppelinPage]

What are the advanced stats that say Noel is a beast defensively right now, or is this the eye-test thing? I know he gets me a few blks and stls now and then, but what's the real world numbers that tell me he's incredible on "D"?

Well for starters the 76ers had huge leaps in both shotblocking and points allowed when he came back for them.

If Noel’s DBPM remains at its current level of 3.1, he would become the only player in the history of the NBA to play at least 1,000 minutes and record a DBPM of above 3 in an age 20 season. For comparison’s sake, Dwight Howard posted a DBPM of 1.3 in his age 20 season. Howard went on to win three consecutive NBA Defensive Player of the Year awards between his age 23 and 25 seasons. The incumbent winner of that award is the aforementioned Noah, was 22 as a rookie and earned a DBPM of 2.5; he did not outdo Noel’s current production until his age 25 season.

Currently his DBPM is at 4.1, highest of all time for his age. And only 0.3 behind Henson, who is 24.

Nerlens allows a 46% FG around the rim on 8.7 attempts per game.
Henson allows a 51% FG around the rim on 6.4 attempts per game.

So Nerlens' opponents score on 4 out of 8.7 attempts. That would be 8 pts.

Henson's opponent score on 3.2 out of 6.4 attempts. That would be 6 pts.

I mean, one plays 30 minutes the other plays 18. Give Henson the same amount of attempts its not going to be better than Noel's.

[FlagsFlyForever]

Remember when the Warriors wanted to trade us Curry for Bogut and we opted for Ellis instead? Oh the good old days.

I refuse to accept this as fact.

Pretty sure Golden State's GM at the time (after the deal) said MKE had their choice, but chose Monta because they were worried about Curry's ankles. He'd have nothing to gain to lie about that.

I will have to see this quote.

[randy84]

I don't want to trade one skinny center for another.

[randy84]

I refuse to accept this as fact.

Pretty sure Golden State's GM at the time (after the deal) said MKE had their choice, but chose Monta because they were worried about Curry's ankles. He'd have nothing to gain to lie about that.

I will have to see this quote.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... phen-curry