Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[raferfenix]

I might be tapping my brakes on dealing with Kanter & his Dad agent.

Haven't read this stuff before.

http://purpleandblues.com/2015/02/13/en ... gul-story/

Woof...

It’s unclear when exactly Ergul became Enes Kanter’s full blown agent, but it seems clear he’d had machinations and ambitions toward becoming an NBA agent for some time, a career choice he seems ill suited for, always racing to put out a fire rather than taking proactive precautions.

Despite listing himself as an NBA agent since 2005, Ergul’s only confirmed client is Enes Kanter.

Yet again, Max Ergul is put in the position of putting out a fire because he let someone play with matches in the fireworks booth while he was off doing whatever he does, which certainly isn’t conducive to creating a reputation that he has the slightest inkling of how to manage even a pee-wee league team, let alone a multi-millionaire with a history of poor decision-making.

[dedned]

Kyler:

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/the-b ... um=twitter

With the Milwaukee Bucks closing in on a buyout of big man Larry Sanders, they have turned their attention to the trade market in a significant way.

The Bucks have been linked to several notable players including Denver’s Ty Lawson, Utah’s Enes Kanter and even Oklahoma City’s Reggie Jackson.

The Bucks have been in the market for a point guard since the summer when they had targeted Phoenix’s Eric Bledsoe, hoping to pair him with Brandon Knight in the back court as an interchangeable rotation.

The Bucks’ stance has been that they would not mortgage their future for a “quick” fix today, but they do seem open to making a move that bolsters their playoff hopes now and improves the roster for next season.

The Bucks have dangled names like Ersan Ilyasova, O.J. Mayo and even big man John Henson in offers to other teams, so its clear the Bucks want to make a deal and with Sanders’ $11 million per year salary likely being stretched down to just over $2.1 million per year, the Bucks have some unexpected breathing room to take on a player that could command real money in July.

I don't want any of those guys.

[JayMKE]

Henson isn't a legit starting NBA center moving forward, this position definitely needs to be addressed in the off season some way and this won't be easy to fix. There appears to be a a few big pg's in this draft, if Knight is kept it will be important for the Bucks to get a long pg so knight can move to the 2 spot.

The issue is that Kanter isn't a legit starting NBA center, but will likely be paid as if he's one starting next summer. With Henson you at least have one more season to see if he takes a leap before you have to make a decision on giving him a big contract.

Henson isn't going to make some magical jump. This is his third season, he may get a little better, but not any better than bench/reserve . Kanter could be more, is he worth the risk? Idk, that up for bucks management to decide...but its crazy how many people DONT want him when he is young and showed potential. I'd personally try an get a big man filler in a mayo trade and sign Monroe in the off season.

Henson is only year and half older than Kanter and Kanter has been in the league 4 years now, why is Kanter going to make some magical leap?

[Cooleyo47]

Kyler:

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/the-b ... um=twitter

...with Sanders’ $11 million per year salary likely being stretched down to just over $2.1 million per year, the Bucks have some unexpected breathing room to take on a player that could command real money in July.

This may be a real motivating factor. They need to use their cap space in trades, because they're not going to be able to acquire an impact player via UFA.

[SkilesTheLimit]

Still scary how much these middling players around the league think they should be paid like stars.

Unfortunately this is going to be THE topic for us the next 24-months going forward. With no cap smoothing that the players union rejected last week, every single team in the league will have $10 to $30 million of cap space in two years.

Then add in the first wave of reduced length four-year contracts coming due from the 2011 CBA.

Guys like Henson are going to get paid $10mm+ per year and the Reggie Jackson's might get $8-$10 as well from someone.

That's why in this Kanter debate, I actually prefer we just keep Henson, but we are going to be paying one of those guys $10-$12 million a year soon.

I would pay Kanter that over Henson. I know what Henson is now. He hasn't been able to crack the court for consistent minutes under 4 different coaches (Skiles-Boylan-Drew-Kidd) and that has to be for a reason. This year he's getting more minutes more out of necessity than anything. His body type will continue to be abused on D and he has the offensive game of Ekpe Udoh.

I struggle finding where this guy is worth $10M per. I'd rather move on and pay someone who might actually be worth it.

[JayMKE]

Henson could be a great back up center. Or we could maximize on his trade value.

Wondering if we're offering around a package of Henson with Ersan / Mayo and maybe the LAC pick.

If Ersan goes to the Kings then Stauskas could go to a 3rd team too.

Doubt the jazz would but

Bucks get Kanter
Kings get: Ilyasova
Jazz get: Stauskas/Thompson/Clippers 2017 1st

id rather have Stauskas than Kanter

[humanrefutation]

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Doesn't seem like we're trading Middleton IMO.

We're just upping his trade value. DeMarcus Cousins, come on down!

[Giannis Parker]

Kyler:

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/the-b ... um=twitter

...with Sanders’ $11 million per year salary likely being stretched down to just over $2.1 million per year, the Bucks have some unexpected breathing room to take on a player that could command real money in July.

This may be a real motivating factor. They need to use their cap space in trades, because they're not going to be able to acquire an impact player via UFA.

Why can't they?

Money Talks, look at the big markets, what have they done lately? They had no money and now they have no talent. When they have money they are the preferred choice, but if Milwaukee offers 20m per season to Marc Gasol and the Lakers offer up 16m, Gasol will come to Milwaukee.

[mlloyd10]

Henson could be a great back up center. Or we could maximize on his trade value.

Wondering if we're offering around a package of Henson with Ersan / Mayo and maybe the LAC pick.

If Ersan goes to the Kings then Stauskas could go to a 3rd team too.

Doubt the jazz would but

Bucks get Kanter
Kings get: Ilyasova
Jazz get: Stauskas/Thompson/Clippers 2017 1st

id rather have Stauskas than Kanter

But your taking on Thompson salary -

[JayMKE]

Doubt the jazz would but

Bucks get Kanter
Kings get: Ilyasova
Jazz get: Stauskas/Thompson/Clippers 2017 1st

id rather have Stauskas than Kanter

But your taking on Thompson salary -

we'd be paying Kanter even more in the offseason + plus we'd keep LAC 1st at least in your trade

also Thompson isn't that far off from being better than Kanter

[dc634]

I wish Portland wasn't so good. Robin Lopez would be a good pick-up here for the playoffs

Edit: Actually since he's a UFA this Summer I wouldn't mind taking a look at him in Free Agency.

[Jollay]

Somebody down here told me the Bucks could get Miles Plumlee in a three or four-way, I assume with Dragic going somewhere else?

I wouldn't mind him on the cheap for 2 years as a good rebounder/big body, but I tend not to believe he'd end up here if some of the possible Dragic suitors are interested...which I thought they were.

Certainly wouldn't mind it at a much lower price than Kanter.

[Balls2TheWalls]

An Ersan for Stauskas/Thompson trade is everyone buying low on everyone. Stauskas has been pretty awful this season, and Thompson is having easily his worst year, but Ersan has been pretty poop as well. It would be obvious that we are banking on potential in Stauskas the same was we were banking on potential in Middleton in the Jennings trade. Kanter is probably gone after this season.

[Craig_Hodges]

Even if the Bucks do nothing, this Thread has been awesome!

[raferfenix]

If Jonas Valanciunas is really available what do we think our best offer would be?

[Baddy Chuck]

If Jonas Valanciunas is really available what do we think our best offer would be?

Not enough.

[Cooleyo47]

Kyler:

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/the-b ... um=twitter

This may be a real motivating factor. They need to use their cap space in trades, because they're not going to be able to acquire an impact player via UFA.

Why can't they?

Money Talks, look at the big markets, what have they done lately? They had no money and now they have no talent. When they have money they are the preferred choice, but if Milwaukee offers 20m per season to Marc Gasol and the Lakers offer up 16m, Gasol will come to Milwaukee.

Just not likely... Hammond has implied more than once that they will probably have to acquire their impact players via the draft or trades.

[Turk Nowitzki]

From that Kanter article, I never heard a thing about this before:

Younger brother of Enes, 15 year-old Kerem Kanter is also sent to the United States to play basketball. He’d play for two Massachusetts schools, finishing up in Florida before committing in 2014 to Green Bay to play college ball.

Kind of makes the idea of Enes Kanter coming to/staying in Milwaukee a bit more logical from Kanter's side.

[RayRayJones]

If Jonas Valanciunas is really available what do we think our best offer would be?

Nothing. They wanna package him with Ross for a star, so something we don't have and/or aren't willing to give up. IMO, Boston is the only one who could put something together for him. Sullinger, who wouldn't be a huge drop-off, and a couple 1st round picks would be the only thing Toronto bites on. Nobody's trading a star at the deadline.

[raferfenix]

Kyler:

...with Sanders’ $11 million per year salary likely being stretched down to just over $2.1 million per year, the Bucks have some unexpected breathing room to take on a player that could command real money in July.

This may be a real motivating factor. They need to use their cap space in trades, because they're not going to be able to acquire an impact player via UFA.

I can see windfall savings from Sanders effecting what we do even if we think we can acquire one of the many starting caliber centers available as free agents this off season.