Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2)

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

DC loves a redemption story.
Danny Ferry.
Born in leafy Hyattsville, MD.
Bring the kid home.

Yes. I remember him in his HS letterman jacket, hanging out at New Carrollton Mall when I worked there briefly. (I hated Dematha cuz they got all the calls back in the day). Ferry was just a kid.

He or Troy Weaver are my top two if EG ever moves on.

Ferry might get ousted over some PC BS that went done during scouting. A leaked comment by a hater. Ferry would be one unlikely racist. I don't care what he said, he's smart. Look at Atlanta.

[FAH1223]

DC loves a redemption story.
Danny Ferry.
Born in leafy Hyattsville, MD.
Bring the kid home.

Yes. I remember him in his HS letterman jacket, hanging out at New Carrollton Mall when I worked there briefly. (I hated Dematha cuz they got all the calls back in the day). Ferry was just a kid.

He or Troy Weaver are my top two if EG ever moves on.

Ferry might get ousted over some PC BS that went done during scouting. A leaked comment by a hater. Ferry would be one unlikely racist. I don't care what he said, he's smart. Look at Atlanta.

He did a great job unloading Joe Johnson... letting Josh Smith walk and replacing him with Millsap on a damned good bargain contract.

Ferry also knows how to draft much better than Grunfail.

Weaver or Ferry would be huge, huge upgrades.

[Dark Faze]

Meh on Ferry. I want someone aggressive in the Presti/Ujiri mold. Ferry was a disaster with the Cavaliers in regards to bringing in good players to go with LeBron. Ferry gets credit for bringing in Budenholzer...great hire, but that's all he's really done.

[jivelikenice]

Is Ernie's contract up after this year? His "secret" extension was 1-yr only, right?

[tontoz]

Meh on Ferry. I want someone aggressive in the Presti/Ujiri mold. Ferry was a disaster with the Cavaliers in regards to bringing in good players to go with LeBron. Ferry gets credit for bringing in Budenholzer...great hire, but that's all he's really done.

The Cavs had back to back 60+ win seasons. That is hardly a disaster. The Heat didn't do that when Lebron was there. The Heat were just lucky that the east was so weak which gave them basically a free pass to the finals.

Ferry wasn't able to land another star but he did a good job getting affordable role players that fit with lebron.

[TGW]

Is Ernie's contract up after this year? His "secret" extension was 1-yr only, right?

I believe there's an option on the second year.

But let's not kid ourselves...there's no way Turd fires him this summer. Ernie is the definition of an executive--he knows how to shift blame onto others when his back is against the wall.

We'll probably see a trade this summer for a vet in the mold of Al Jefferson or a Zach Randolph for our first rounder and maybe Porter, because right now picks are devalued by the GM, and they don't want to have to develop young players.

What we're seeing now is the Grunfeld cap--he can only put together teams that can go so far, and then fizzle out.

[FAH1223]

Meh on Ferry. I want someone aggressive in the Presti/Ujiri mold. Ferry was a disaster with the Cavaliers in regards to bringing in good players to go with LeBron. Ferry gets credit for bringing in Budenholzer...great hire, but that's all he's really done.

He's much better than Grunfeld.

ATL has drafted well and he did a masterful job of dumping Joe Johnson on the Nets, letting Smith go, accumulated a ton of assets.

Budenholzer obviously is a great hire with their history from San Antonio.

Anyone who can do a better job of resource management would be an upgrade over the lazy filth we have right now

I'd like to get Weaver since he's another local guy like Ferry and he could have a hand in executing the 2016 plan and hiring a much better coach.

[Dark Faze]

Meh on Ferry. I want someone aggressive in the Presti/Ujiri mold. Ferry was a disaster with the Cavaliers in regards to bringing in good players to go with LeBron. Ferry gets credit for bringing in Budenholzer...great hire, but that's all he's really done.

The Cavs had back to back 60+ win seasons. That is hardly a disaster. The Heat didn't do that when Lebron was there. The Heat were just lucky that the east was so weak which gave them basically a free pass to the finals.

Ferry wasn't able to land another star but he did a good job getting affordable role players that fit with lebron.

Honestly, I don't have any dislike for people with your opinion, but its a complete lack of understanding nuance and context that leads to opinions like this one, and similar logic is really why we're in the situation that we are now.

Ferry was handed a team that had a top 10 all time player in his prime and that vast majority of roleplayers that were on that team are out of the league--Daniel Gibson, Anthony Parker, Delonte West, Wally Zscerbiak, Larry Hughes, Damon Jones, Jamario Moon...

Yea, great, they won a lot. BUT they didn't come close to putting the sort of talent around him that took place in Miami and Cleveland Part 2, and it resulted in LeBron leaving the team.

The talent he put around LeBron was completely mediocre. It's the fact that LeBron is such an unbelievable player that they were as successful as they were.

Again, I always point to Sam Presti. Grunsfeld would have been perfectly fine sitting on a team that was winning CONSTANTLY every year and going deep in the Western Conference playoffs. He would have kept Reggie Jackson and simply let him expire, or maybe pushed a sign and trade in order to get a TPE. Presti said to hell with that, despite us already having a decent shot at going deep in the playoffs, lets make moves to get even better.

The point is, you want a guy who has his finger prints all over a roster. Not just a guy who plugs in a few holes or adds a few roleplayers. You want guys who have truly truly shown an ability to build a franchise from its most basic level--quality drafting, quality hiring, quality trading, good philosophy.

[tontoz]

Meh on Ferry. I want someone aggressive in the Presti/Ujiri mold. Ferry was a disaster with the Cavaliers in regards to bringing in good players to go with LeBron. Ferry gets credit for bringing in Budenholzer...great hire, but that's all he's really done.

The Cavs had back to back 60+ win seasons. That is hardly a disaster. The Heat didn't do that when Lebron was there. The Heat were just lucky that the east was so weak which gave them basically a free pass to the finals.

Ferry wasn't able to land another star but he did a good job getting affordable role players that fit with lebron.

Honestly, I don't have any dislike for people with your opinion, but its a complete lack of understanding nuance and context that leads to opinions like this one, and similar logic is really why we're in the situation that we are now.

Ferry was handed a team that had a top 10 all time player in his prime and that vast majority of roleplayers that were on that team are out of the league--Daniel Gibson, Anthony Parker, Delonte West, Wally Zscerbiak, Larry Hughes, Damon Jones, Jamario Moon...

Yea, great, they won a lot. BUT they didn't come close to putting the sort of talent around him that took place in Miami and Cleveland Part 2, and it resulted in LeBron leaving the team.

The talent he put around LeBron was completely mediocre. It's the fact that LeBron is such an unbelievable player that they were as successful as they were.

Again, I always point to Sam Presti. Grunsfeld would have been perfectly fine sitting on a team that was winning CONSTANTLY every year and going deep in the Western Conference playoffs. He would have kept Reggie Jackson and simply let him expire, or maybe pushed a sign and trade in order to get a TPE. Presti said to hell with that, despite us already having a decent shot at going deep in the playoffs, lets make moves to get even better.

The point is, you want a guy who has his finger prints all over a roster. Not just a guy who plugs in a few holes or adds a few roleplayers. You want guys who have truly truly shown an ability to build a franchise from its most basic level--quality drafting, quality hiring, quality trading, good philosophy.

So you want an elite GM? Great. I would like to bang a supermodel but it isnt going to happen. Who exactly do you want to be the GM?

The Cavs had back to back 60 win seasons and then lebron left. They had the misfortune of running into Boston at their peak. Miami had two other big stars but they only had 1 60 win season. They just had a much easier road to the title.

Look at the trouble Love is haven't adjusting to playing with lebron. It isn't just about aquiring talent, it is also about fit.

Ferry has his fingerprints all over the Atlanta roster which has the best record in the conference even though top free agents shunned Atlanta.

[jivelikenice]

Is Ernie's contract up after this year? His "secret" extension was 1-yr only, right?

I believe there's an option on the second year.

But let's not kid ourselves...there's no way Turd fires him this summer. Ernie is the definition of an executive--he knows how to shift blame onto others when his back is against the wall.

We'll probably see a trade this summer for a vet in the mold of Al Jefferson or a Zach Randolph for our first rounder and maybe Porter, because right now picks are devalued by the GM, and they don't want to have to develop young players.

What we're seeing now is the Grunfeld cap--he can only put together teams that can go so far, and then fizzle out.

At this pace I'm not sure. If the season goes belly up (which it seems to be doing so) I think Ted will realize that to be in a real position for KD in '16, this summer is crucial.

[Dat2U]

Meh on Ferry. I want someone aggressive in the Presti/Ujiri mold. Ferry was a disaster with the Cavaliers in regards to bringing in good players to go with LeBron. Ferry gets credit for bringing in Budenholzer...great hire, but that's all he's really done.

He's much better than Grunfeld.

ATL has drafted well and he did a masterful job of dumping Joe Johnson on the Nets, letting Smith go, accumulated a ton of assets.

Budenholzer obviously is a great hire with their history from San Antonio.

Anyone who can do a better job of resource management would be an upgrade over the lazy filth we have right now

I'd like to get Weaver since he's another local guy like Ferry and he could have a hand in executing the 2016 plan and hiring a much better coach.

This....

The bar is very low...any lower and you'd be burning in hell. Ernie fell into the #1 pick where he had to take Wall. Take Wall off this team and were a complete trainwreck and probably the oldest roster in the league despite having (5) Five, yes count them (5) Five top-5 picks IN A ROW from the 2009 draft to the 2013 draft and multiple 1st & 2nd rounders beyond that.

I doubt out of 30 teams... you could find a GM that performed worse than Grunfeld at managing all those assets.

So when people say Ernie isn't horrible or is only mediocre... I wonder WTF have you been looking at?

[Higga]

Imagine if we took Klay Thompson and Kawhi Leonard instead of Jan Vesley and Chris Singleton.

Imagine if we didn't trade our 09 pick for two 1 year rentals.

Freaking Grunfeld. We would be running away with the East if we had a GM who could draft worth a damn.

[Dark Faze]

I'd have been cool with just Kawhi and Faried

;-;

[Kanyewest]

Imagine if we took Klay Thompson and Kawhi Leonard instead of Jan Vesley and Chris Singleton.

Imagine if we didn't trade our 09 pick for two 1 year rentals.

Freaking Grunfeld. We would be running away with the East if we had a GM who could draft worth a damn.

I mean we can imagine, but we really could only have gotten one of them- unless there is some trade that the Wizards missed out on to get another top 15 pick.

[Kanyewest]

Meh on Ferry. I want someone aggressive in the Presti/Ujiri mold. Ferry was a disaster with the Cavaliers in regards to bringing in good players to go with LeBron. Ferry gets credit for bringing in Budenholzer...great hire, but that's all he's really done.

He's much better than Grunfeld.

ATL has drafted well and he did a masterful job of dumping Joe Johnson on the Nets, letting Smith go, accumulated a ton of assets.

Budenholzer obviously is a great hire with their history from San Antonio.

Anyone who can do a better job of resource management would be an upgrade over the lazy filth we have right now

I'd like to get Weaver since he's another local guy like Ferry and he could have a hand in executing the 2016 plan and hiring a much better coach.

This....

The bar is very low...any lower and you'd be burning in hell. Ernie fell into the #1 pick where he had to take Wall. Take Wall off this team and were a complete trainwreck and probably the oldest roster in the league despite having (5) Five, yes count them (5) Five top-5 picks IN A ROW from the 2009 draft to the 2013 draft and multiple 1st & 2nd rounders beyond that.

I doubt out of 30 teams... you could find a GM that performed worse than Grunfeld at managing all those assets.

So when people say Ernie isn't horrible or is only mediocre... I wonder WTF have you been looking at?

5 top 6 picks in a row

[gtn130]

I believe there's an option on the second year.

But let's not kid ourselves...there's no way Turd fires him this summer. Ernie is the definition of an executive--he knows how to shift blame onto others when his back is against the wall.

We'll probably see a trade this summer for a vet in the mold of Al Jefferson or a Zach Randolph for our first rounder and maybe Porter, because right now picks are devalued by the GM, and they don't want to have to develop young players.

What we're seeing now is the Grunfeld cap--he can only put together teams that can go so far, and then fizzle out.

In fairness, this is pretty clearly mandated by Leonsis. Refusing to be in the lottery another year, trading a 1st rounder for Gortat thereafter -- it's all Leonsis in this case. EG might completely agree though, as he's not a very good GM.

[Sluggerface]

Ferry was handed a team that had a top 10 all time player in his prime and that vast majority of roleplayers that were on that team are out of the league--Daniel Gibson, Anthony Parker, Delonte West, Wally Zscerbiak, Larry Hughes, Damon Jones, Jamario Moon...

No **** they're out of the league, all of those dudes were in their prime FIVE years ago. Wally is almost 38 now. Anthony Parker will be 40 in June. Larry Hughes just turned 36. Damon Jones, 38.

Contrary to Wizards belief, most people don't keep playing the game of basketball past the age of 32.

[dckingsfan]

I'd have been cool with just Kawhi and Faried

But then we wouldn't be TEAM GERIATRIC...

[TheSecretWeapon]

Wizards are the NBA's 7th oldest team so far this year (minutes-weighted age). At 28.8, they're one year younger than the San Antonio Spurs.

[Dark Faze]

So Wiz have:

One of the oldest teams in the league and only one all-star after "completing" a rebuild
Generally agreed upon having one of the worst coaches in the league
Generally agreed upon having one of the worst GM's in the league

But stay the course doe

Thank you Ted

Thank you so very much