gtn130 wrote:payitforward wrote:A lot claims being made here. Not too many have any bearing on the question at hand.
GS -- many young players getting better year by year. they won 47 in '12-13 and 51 in '13-14 and will win more this year. For that matter, Kerr might be one of those outlying coaches, who knows? Let me ask you this. Which would affect them more -- subtracting Curry or subtracting Kerr?
Phil Jackson -- he coached when he coached. In that era, guys tended to put up more efficient numbers playing for him than they did playing for other coaches. Btw, that's how you measure whether the coach has an influence.
Orlando -- They have a lot of very young players. How good do you think they'd be if Steve Kerr were their coach? You think they'd be an elite team? Average team? Who knows, though, you may be right and Vaughn was an awful coach. Lets see how they do under the next one.
Phoenix -- 48-34 last year. This year they're 2 games over .500. Did they change coaches? Nope.
SA -- are you serious? A brilliant front office, the best player in the game, and the best coach in the league. They are definitely heading downhill, though, aren't they? Must be because Popovich is getting older? Or, maybe it's because so many of their players are on the downhill end of career slide -- still very good, just not what they were.
But, at least you responded in part: "a good coach would get 5+ more wins out of this team." Still have answered my question, tho: how much better than 19-6 would e.g. Budenholzer have made them?
How come they are doing so much worse with the same coach these days? Can it be because Butler isn't draining 3's at the same rate? Pierce is showing his age as the season progresses? Etc. Players.
Meanwhile, time to drop it. Fire Wittman. Fire Grunfeld. Been a long time coming. Even better, go 18-6 to close out the season, and prove Ernie's critics wrong. Not going to happen I fear.
Sorry, but you're incorrect when it comes to GSW. They run a completely different offense with completely different substitution patterns. If Mark Jackson was still the coach, they'd continue starting David Lee and nobody would know who Draymond Green is. These are tangible things that have happened only because Kerr is coach.
San Antonio has been great with Duncan on the tail end of his career for
years now. They have a great front office, but Pop is a part of that, and that's not the extent to why Pop is great. He's been making optimal late game/quarter decisions for years now, and discovered the value of corner 3/corner 3 D well before anyone else. He basically adopted the Phoenix Suns offense while the rest of the league was still questioning it. SA would have won zero championships without Pop.
The Phoenix regression is largely circumstantial -- they had to hedge by signing IT because they were afraid of losing Bledsoe. What resulted is a ridiculous roster that had to be fixed at the deadline. But before you say that citing roster composition harms my argument -- it doesn't. I believe that you need a good roster AND a good coach in most cases to be a good team. But there are exceptions.
I don't understand your point about being 19-6. It's called variance and has nothing to do with coaching. They'd probably win about the same number of games in that stretch with most coaches? I don't know.
The larger picture is that the Wizards run on offense that ranks 16th in efficiency, right above the LA Lakers. Outside of Beal, the Wizards starters all have a history of being positive impact players on offense, yet the offense isn't even league average with Beal shooting 47% from 3. It's a joke, and it can easily be fixed with a different offensive philosophy. There is no reason the Wizards shouldn't have a top-10 offense in efficiency with their current roster.
Yea OK, Washington is about as efficient as your going to get with the bums they have..........
OKC is 14th in efficiency, a whopping .1%, obviously injuries have taken a little role in that, San Antonio same thing, .1%
The problem lies in the turnovers which drags them down, but who's fault is that? How many times does Wall have to turn it over 8 times in a game which kills offensive opportunities.
Listen maybe there is a coach that can somehow slightly get something better out of a few of these players. But it is not much.
They have to many holes. Way more than teams above them, they are right where they are because of the talent level.
Porter , Temple, Sessions/Andre Miller are just not going to get it done, you need a proven shooter........this would do wonders.
Pierce is an older player, who is not going to have it every night............Beal is injured all the time....
Nene is a monstrosity of bad decision making, and Gortat is an emotional player.
This team is flawed, I would go at Ernie before I would go at Whitman, at the same time Whitman might have lost the team a bit , but the team is terrible......I see no big improvements with any other coach.
There comes a time when you have to account for the bad play. Butler and Webster are not even NBA caliber players at this point..
If this team had 2 proven shooters from the beginning, a Ray Allen , and a stretch 4, they would likely not be in this predicament....add a healthy beal to the mix and they woulld probably have 40+ wins.
The team shoots at a high level, even though they have terrible shooting players.......that to me shows to me whitman knows these guys cant shoot, but he puts in a system where they still can shoot at a high field goal %
Washington is 3rd in Field Goal %
Washington is 5th in 3 Point Field Goal %That is mind boggling considering very few create your own shot shooters.
Like I said before if this team starts taking more than 20 three's a game, they are screwed, but if they keep it low they will continue to be top 5 in %
What they need is a couple of knock down shooters!
