NBAPA Lawyer: Double standard exists regarding age limit for black basketball players and white athletes in other sports

[ChosunX]

What would acceptance look like? Hmmm... how about not bringing up Ethiopia as a way to distract and deny that the U.S has a horrific and embarrassing history when it comes to race. One that still infests society today? Accepting that, can help build a platform of fairness to truly make progress towards a more harmonious society. That cannot happen while we pretend racism doesn't exist, wasn't a big deal in the past, and we are not motivated to look at black problems as American problems as well. Yes, extra effort, extra patience, extra MONEY will be needed to create a truly fair society. Instead we have Ferguson, and racist fraternities.

It's just like any other country when it comes to race. It should be condemned but it's not uniquely embarassing. Should something be done different? Different programs? Also in today's media culture race sells. Every incident, be it big or small, indicative of trends or irrelevant will be magnified.

[cl2117]

Would the NBA be calling for age restrictions if there was a viable domestic alternative to the NBA? They are feeding an exploitative college system and using it for their own gains. As for the legality of it, you are simply incorrect. There is a precedent here, and if the union fights the age limit, they'd likely win.

Spencer Haywood challenged these age limit rules in 1971 and won.

And again to be clear, I am not saying the NBA is racist, but that they are exploiting a racist society. One that still continues to steal wealth from blacks. A country that was founded on such theft.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIb6is5dImk&t=149[/youtube]

If there were a viable domestic alternative to the NBA they'd likely get rid of the age restriction because it would be a danger to their revenues. But that's exactly my point, they're doing it because they can make more money from it not to disenfranchise people. They're not trying to take money away from black players, they're trying to increase their reputation and weed out the busts so that they can make more money off of their backs. Yes they're taking advantage of them, but it's not because of their race, it's because it's legal and it results in significantly higher revenues.

And as for the legality of it, I'm not incorrect because there is an exemption under the federal antitrust law that Haywood cited in 1971 for union activity. So while you're right if the union fought the age limit during the next CBA they'd be able to likely remove the restriction, in it's current form it is perfectly legal because of the players union's consent. That means it's perfectly legal in its current form, hence why they get away with it. So if you want to take issue with it take issue with the players union and their leadership (Billy Hunter/Michele Roberts, Fisher/Paul all of whom are black).

I get what you're saying about them exploiting a racist society, to an extent, but I still don't see any support for this rule being racist, which is the initial contention. I understand that race is a part of virtually every part of the American experience, but this rule is because they an get more money and is not because of race.

I feel like people are stepping away from the initial argument that this lawyer put forward that a double standard exists between black athletes in the NBA and white athletes in other sports. That's just not true. People have put forth plenty of solid arguments as to why race is still a huge issue in this country, but none that support that this rule is racist or that a double standard exists.

[Neutral 123]

Would the NBA be calling for age restrictions if there was a viable domestic alternative to the NBA? They are feeding an exploitative college system and using it for their own gains. As for the legality of it, you are simply incorrect. There is a precedent here, and if the union fights the age limit, they'd likely win.

Spencer Haywood challenged these age limit rules in 1971 and won.

And again to be clear, I am not saying the NBA is racist, but that they are exploiting a racist society. One that still continues to steal wealth from blacks. A country that was founded on such theft.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIb6is5dImk&t=149[/youtube]

If there were a viable domestic alternative to the NBA they'd likely get rid of the age restriction because it would be a danger to their revenues. But that's exactly my point, they're doing it because they can make more money from it not to disenfranchise people. They're not trying to take money away from black players, they're trying to increase their reputation and weed out the busts so that they can make more money off of their backs. Yes they're taking advantage of them, but it's not because of their race, it's because it's legal and it results in significantly higher revenues.

And as for the legality of it, I'm not incorrect because there is an exemption under the federal antitrust law that Haywood cited in 1971 for union activity. So while you're right if the union fought the age limit during the next CBA they'd be able to likely remove the restriction, in it's current form it is perfectly legal because of the players union's consent. That means it's perfectly legal in its current form, hence why they get away with it. So if you want to take issue with it take issue with the players union and their leadership (Billy Hunter/Michele Roberts, Fisher/Paul all of whom are black).

I get what you're saying about them exploiting a racist society, to an extent, but I still don't see any support for this rule being racist, which is the initial contention. I understand that race is a part of virtually every part of the American experience, but this rule is because they an get more money and is not because of race.

I feel like people are stepping away from the initial argument that this lawyer put forward that a double standard exists between black athletes in the NBA and white athletes in other sports. That's just not true. People have put forth plenty of solid arguments as to why race is still a huge issue in this country, but none that support that this rule is racist or that a double standard exists.

I wonder what the motivation really is? Its certainly not to weed out busts. Busts will always exist. Maybe NBA teams don't want to develop guys straight out of high school, but its hard to imagine development being better or faster in college as opposed to playing as an actual career?

I think the double standard exists insofar as there is a tone of needing to look out for and take care of young black athletes that tends not to exist for white ones. Blacks need to go to college and play for free and leave those millions of dollars alone because why? They cannot go to school if they choose? Blacks need to be forced to get an education? This parental tone doesn't exist for white athletes and surprise, surprise, this fake concern isn't beneficial to these black athletes. Enough of the crap already is what I say.

[Bill Bradley]

Would the NBA be calling for age restrictions if there was a viable domestic alternative to the NBA? They are feeding an exploitative college system and using it for their own gains. As for the legality of it, you are simply incorrect. There is a precedent here, and if the union fights the age limit, they'd likely win.

Spencer Haywood challenged these age limit rules in 1971 and won.

And again to be clear, I am not saying the NBA is racist, but that they are exploiting a racist society. One that still continues to steal wealth from blacks. A country that was founded on such theft.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIb6is5dImk&t=149[/youtube]

If there were a viable domestic alternative to the NBA they'd likely get rid of the age restriction because it would be a danger to their revenues. But that's exactly my point, they're doing it because they can make more money from it not to disenfranchise people. They're not trying to take money away from black players, they're trying to increase their reputation and weed out the busts so that they can make more money off of their backs. Yes they're taking advantage of them, but it's not because of their race, it's because it's legal and it results in significantly higher revenues.

And as for the legality of it, I'm not incorrect because there is an exemption under the federal antitrust law that Haywood cited in 1971 for union activity. So while you're right if the union fought the age limit during the next CBA they'd be able to likely remove the restriction, in it's current form it is perfectly legal because of the players union's consent. That means it's perfectly legal in its current form, hence why they get away with it. So if you want to take issue with it take issue with the players union and their leadership (Billy Hunter/Michele Roberts, Fisher/Paul all of whom are black).

I get what you're saying about them exploiting a racist society, to an extent, but I still don't see any support for this rule being racist, which is the initial contention. I understand that race is a part of virtually every part of the American experience, but this rule is because they an get more money and is not because of race.

I feel like people are stepping away from the initial argument that this lawyer put forward that a double standard exists between black athletes in the NBA and white athletes in other sports. That's just not true. People have put forth plenty of solid arguments as to why race is still a huge issue in this country, but none that support that this rule is racist or that a double standard exists.

I wonder what the motivation really is? Its certainly not to weed out busts. Busts will always exist. Maybe NBA teams don't want to develop guys straight out of high school, but its hard to imagine development being better or faster in college as opposed to playing as an actual career?

I think the double standard exists insofar as there is a tone of needing to look out for and take care of young black athletes that tends not to exist for white ones. Blacks need to go to college and play for free and leave those millions of dollars alone because why? They cannot go to school if they choose? Blacks need to be forced to get an education? This parental tone doesn't exist for white athletes and surprise, surprise, this fake concern isn't beneficial to these black athletes. Enough of the crap already is what I say.

Let's be honest- the NBA has been trying to take the "thug" out of the NBA for a long time. David Stern has basically said as much. Employ a dress code, make these kids go to college, give them all kinds of coaching prior to entering the league that essentially involves acting more white.

[Yoshun]

This really has nothing to do with busts. As another poster already stated, a higher percentage of busts come out of college, not high school. People need to stop saying this. The extra year in school does nothing for evaluating a player.

[cl2117]

I wonder what the motivation really is? Its certainly not to weed out busts. Busts will always exist. Maybe NBA teams don't want to develop guys straight out of high school, but its hard to imagine development being better or faster in college as opposed to playing as an actual career?

I think the double standard exists insofar as there is a tone of needing to look out for and take care of young black athletes that tends not to exist for white ones. Blacks need to go to college and play for free and leave those millions of dollars alone because why? They cannot go to school if they choose? Blacks need to be forced to get an education? This parental tone doesn't exist for white athletes and surprise, surprise, this fake concern isn't beneficial to these black athletes. Enough of the crap already is what I say.

You get an extra year to watch them against better competition to see who is more worthy for the higher picks. Busts will always exist, but every additional year you can watch them develop you can get a better idea of whether or not they'll be busts. I do think the NBA doesn't want to develop these guys straight out of high school, they couldn't be more happy to have guys like Coach K and Calipari coach these kids up for an extra year so that they are more ready to be inserted into lineups and show off right away. It's much more marketable for them if they can have their top draft picks playing at a higher standard.

See I think the whole concept that these players need to go to school to get an education is BS and it's just an excuse to try and back up their unfair rule, but I don't understand your contention that such a parental tone doesn't exist with regards to white players. What are you referring to? Where are these white players being treated more like adults than black players?

The fake concern is annoying though. It'd be much more palatable to me if they came out and said "look we can put a better product and a more marketable product on the floor if we send these kids off for a year to get coached up, it's not for their personal benefit it's for the benefit of the league an owners so that they can draft better players/less busts and make more money". But I'm not seeing a double standard.

[Neutral 123]

If there were a viable domestic alternative to the NBA they'd likely get rid of the age restriction because it would be a danger to their revenues. But that's exactly my point, they're doing it because they can make more money from it not to disenfranchise people. They're not trying to take money away from black players, they're trying to increase their reputation and weed out the busts so that they can make more money off of their backs. Yes they're taking advantage of them, but it's not because of their race, it's because it's legal and it results in significantly higher revenues.

And as for the legality of it, I'm not incorrect because there is an exemption under the federal antitrust law that Haywood cited in 1971 for union activity. So while you're right if the union fought the age limit during the next CBA they'd be able to likely remove the restriction, in it's current form it is perfectly legal because of the players union's consent. That means it's perfectly legal in its current form, hence why they get away with it. So if you want to take issue with it take issue with the players union and their leadership (Billy Hunter/Michele Roberts, Fisher/Paul all of whom are black).

I get what you're saying about them exploiting a racist society, to an extent, but I still don't see any support for this rule being racist, which is the initial contention. I understand that race is a part of virtually every part of the American experience, but this rule is because they an get more money and is not because of race.

I feel like people are stepping away from the initial argument that this lawyer put forward that a double standard exists between black athletes in the NBA and white athletes in other sports. That's just not true. People have put forth plenty of solid arguments as to why race is still a huge issue in this country, but none that support that this rule is racist or that a double standard exists.

I wonder what the motivation really is? Its certainly not to weed out busts. Busts will always exist. Maybe NBA teams don't want to develop guys straight out of high school, but its hard to imagine development being better or faster in college as opposed to playing as an actual career?

I think the double standard exists insofar as there is a tone of needing to look out for and take care of young black athletes that tends not to exist for white ones. Blacks need to go to college and play for free and leave those millions of dollars alone because why? They cannot go to school if they choose? Blacks need to be forced to get an education? This parental tone doesn't exist for white athletes and surprise, surprise, this fake concern isn't beneficial to these black athletes. Enough of the crap already is what I say.

Let's be honest- the NBA has been trying to take the "thug" out of the NBA for a long time. David Stern has basically said as much. Employ a dress code, make these kids go to college, give them all kinds of coaching prior to entering the league that essentially involves acting more white.

Good point, and I guess that's likely the heart of the business decision for them. Just the idea that these guys can be millionaires at 18 is bad for public perception. I guess it also explains the rookie scale and pay throughout a career basically linked to a player's age.

[ChosunX]

I wonder what the motivation really is? Its certainly not to weed out busts. Busts will always exist. Maybe NBA teams don't want to develop guys straight out of high school, but its hard to imagine development being better or faster in college as opposed to playing as an actual career?

I think the double standard exists insofar as there is a tone of needing to look out for and take care of young black athletes that tends not to exist for white ones. Blacks need to go to college and play for free and leave those millions of dollars alone because why? They cannot go to school if they choose? Blacks need to be forced to get an education? This parental tone doesn't exist for white athletes and surprise, surprise, this fake concern isn't beneficial to these black athletes. Enough of the crap already is what I say.

Let's be honest- the NBA has been trying to take the "thug" out of the NBA for a long time. David Stern has basically said as much. Employ a dress code, make these kids go to college, give them all kinds of coaching prior to entering the league that essentially involves acting more white.

Good point, and I guess that's likely the heart of the business decision for them. Just the idea that these guys can be millionaires at 18 is bad for public perception. I guess it also explains the rookie scale and pay throughout a career basically linked to a player's age.

Is there any way to sneak some attitude back into the NBA?

[Neutral 123]

I wonder what the motivation really is? Its certainly not to weed out busts. Busts will always exist. Maybe NBA teams don't want to develop guys straight out of high school, but its hard to imagine development being better or faster in college as opposed to playing as an actual career?

I think the double standard exists insofar as there is a tone of needing to look out for and take care of young black athletes that tends not to exist for white ones. Blacks need to go to college and play for free and leave those millions of dollars alone because why? They cannot go to school if they choose? Blacks need to be forced to get an education? This parental tone doesn't exist for white athletes and surprise, surprise, this fake concern isn't beneficial to these black athletes. Enough of the crap already is what I say.

You get an extra year to watch them against better competition to see who is more worthy for the higher picks. Busts will always exist, but every additional year you can watch them develop you can get a better idea of whether or not they'll be busts. I do think the NBA doesn't want to develop these guys straight out of high school, they couldn't be more happy to have guys like Coach K and Calipari coach these kids up for an extra year so that they are more ready to be inserted into lineups and show off right away. It's much more marketable for them if they can have their top draft picks playing at a higher standard.

See I think the whole concept that these players need to go to school to get an education is BS and it's just an excuse to try and back up their unfair rule, but I don't understand your contention that such a parental tone doesn't exist with regards to white players. What are you referring to? Where are these white players being treated more like adults than black players?

The fake concern is annoying though. It'd be much more palatable to me if they came out and said "look we can put a better product and a more marketable product on the floor if we send these kids off for a year to get coached up, it's not for their personal benefit it's for the benefit of the league an owners so that they can draft better players/less busts and make more money". But I'm not seeing a double standard.

I'm not sure its clear a player will develop faster and better on college than as a professional. Hell, we have college guys saying they don't even have enough food to eat! The NCAA is a joke, and I'm not going to confuse players essentially being forced through that system as proof of great player development. Most of the recent greats skipped college.

To my point on parental tone, there doesn't exist, a sport primarily played by white athletes where there is this big concern that they need to go to school. Millions of dollars can pay for college, of just not just the player, but siblings, cousins etcetera.

[Neutral 123]

Let's be honest- the NBA has been trying to take the "thug" out of the NBA for a long time. David Stern has basically said as much. Employ a dress code, make these kids go to college, give them all kinds of coaching prior to entering the league that essentially involves acting more white.

Good point, and I guess that's likely the heart of the business decision for them. Just the idea that these guys can be millionaires at 18 is bad for public perception. I guess it also explains the rookie scale and pay throughout a career basically linked to a player's age.

Is there any way to sneak some attitude back into the NBA?

Not sure what you mean. I think its clear that most of what the league has done is to transition the sport into a 'nice guy' league. The NBA has no interest in 'attitude' or what some would call 'toughness'.

[ChosunX]

Good point, and I guess that's likely the heart of the business decision for them. Just the idea that these guys can be millionaires at 18 is bad for public perception. I guess it also explains the rookie scale and pay throughout a career basically linked to a player's age.

Is there any way to sneak some attitude back into the NBA?

Not sure what you mean. I think its clear that most of what the league has done is to transition the sport into a 'nice guy' league. The NBA has no interest in 'attitude' or what some would call 'toughness'.

Multiple franchise guys not buying in could blow up that domino.

[Neutral 123]

Is there any way to sneak some attitude back into the NBA?

Not sure what you mean. I think its clear that most of what the league has done is to transition the sport into a 'nice guy' league. The NBA has no interest in 'attitude' or what some would call 'toughness'.

Multiple franchise guys not buying in could blow up that domino.

What specifically would you like changed? I think for example, a lot of fouls that were regular fouls are now grounds for ejection. I don't really have a problem with that. Ultimately basketball is entertainment so keeping your audience happy is important. So its tricky.

[cl2117]

I wonder what the motivation really is? Its certainly not to weed out busts. Busts will always exist. Maybe NBA teams don't want to develop guys straight out of high school, but its hard to imagine development being better or faster in college as opposed to playing as an actual career?

I think the double standard exists insofar as there is a tone of needing to look out for and take care of young black athletes that tends not to exist for white ones. Blacks need to go to college and play for free and leave those millions of dollars alone because why? They cannot go to school if they choose? Blacks need to be forced to get an education? This parental tone doesn't exist for white athletes and surprise, surprise, this fake concern isn't beneficial to these black athletes. Enough of the crap already is what I say.

You get an extra year to watch them against better competition to see who is more worthy for the higher picks. Busts will always exist, but every additional year you can watch them develop you can get a better idea of whether or not they'll be busts. I do think the NBA doesn't want to develop these guys straight out of high school, they couldn't be more happy to have guys like Coach K and Calipari coach these kids up for an extra year so that they are more ready to be inserted into lineups and show off right away. It's much more marketable for them if they can have their top draft picks playing at a higher standard.

See I think the whole concept that these players need to go to school to get an education is BS and it's just an excuse to try and back up their unfair rule, but I don't understand your contention that such a parental tone doesn't exist with regards to white players. What are you referring to? Where are these white players being treated more like adults than black players?

The fake concern is annoying though. It'd be much more palatable to me if they came out and said "look we can put a better product and a more marketable product on the floor if we send these kids off for a year to get coached up, it's not for their personal benefit it's for the benefit of the league an owners so that they can draft better players/less busts and make more money". But I'm not seeing a double standard.

I'm not sure its clear a player will develop faster and better on college than as a professional. Hell, we have college guys saying they don't even have enough food to eat! The NCAA is a joke, and I'm not going to confuse players essentially being forced through that system as proof of great player development. Most of the recent greats skipped college.

To my point on parental tone, there doesn't exist, a sport primarily played by white athletes where there is this big concern that they need to go to school. Millions of dollars can pay for college, of just not just the player, but siblings, cousins etcetera.

It's not that they will develop faster, it's that they will develop without the NBA having to spend any money on them and will be better than when they left highschool. That cannot be denied, even after a year of college these kids are better than when the left highschool. Their bodies are a year more developed, they know more etc. etc. It's a free training school for the NBA and in fact they actually make money off it because it increases the marketability. Lebron would always have been great, same with Garnett and Kobe etc, but they would have had even better rookie seasons had they been forced to play a year in college.

I think the parental tone is BS, but in the sports played primarily by white athletes like baseball and hockey they have entirely different developmental arcs as compared to basketball. In baseball even the best phenoms that come straight from highschool spend at least a year in the minor leagues (Bryce Harper and Mike Trout both as examples). In hockey the vast majority of the top draft picks are Canadian or foreign born players and the US players drafted usually come out of college or don't immediately start with their NHL team. They're completely different than the NBA where the top players are immediate players for their teams. I don't think this in any way supports the "parental tone" as you put it, but it's not a double standard. It's different developmental arcs. That doesn't even bring into consideration the differences in their bargaining agreements and strength of unions.

The NCAA is a joke, they don't teach these kids anything it's just taking advantage of them for a year and I wish the NBA would just say they do it so they can draft a better product. But I just don't see the racial divide because the sports are totally different animals. With one you are thrust immediately into the spotlight and the other you have to develop for a year or two before you're there (essentially the NCAA system).

I wish more high school players went overseas for a year or even two like Mudiay did because that money can have a tremendous impact on these peoples' lives and I think it could give cause for the NBA to reconsider the rule, but they choose not to.

It's still all about the money for me and I don't think race plays nearly as important a factor.

[Neutral 123]

You get an extra year to watch them against better competition to see who is more worthy for the higher picks. Busts will always exist, but every additional year you can watch them develop you can get a better idea of whether or not they'll be busts. I do think the NBA doesn't want to develop these guys straight out of high school, they couldn't be more happy to have guys like Coach K and Calipari coach these kids up for an extra year so that they are more ready to be inserted into lineups and show off right away. It's much more marketable for them if they can have their top draft picks playing at a higher standard.

See I think the whole concept that these players need to go to school to get an education is BS and it's just an excuse to try and back up their unfair rule, but I don't understand your contention that such a parental tone doesn't exist with regards to white players. What are you referring to? Where are these white players being treated more like adults than black players?

The fake concern is annoying though. It'd be much more palatable to me if they came out and said "look we can put a better product and a more marketable product on the floor if we send these kids off for a year to get coached up, it's not for their personal benefit it's for the benefit of the league an owners so that they can draft better players/less busts and make more money". But I'm not seeing a double standard.

I'm not sure its clear a player will develop faster and better on college than as a professional. Hell, we have college guys saying they don't even have enough food to eat! The NCAA is a joke, and I'm not going to confuse players essentially being forced through that system as proof of great player development. Most of the recent greats skipped college.

To my point on parental tone, there doesn't exist, a sport primarily played by white athletes where there is this big concern that they need to go to school. Millions of dollars can pay for college, of just not just the player, but siblings, cousins etcetera.

It's not that they will develop faster, it's that they will develop without the NBA having to spend any money on them and will be better than when they left highschool. That cannot be denied, even after a year of college these kids are better than when the left highschool. Their bodies are a year more developed, they know more etc. etc. It's a free training school for the NBA and in fact they actually make money off it because it increases the marketability. Lebron would always have been great, same with Garnett and Kobe etc, but they would have had even better rookie seasons had they been forced to play a year in college.

I think the parental tone is BS, but in the sports played primarily by white athletes like baseball and hockey they have entirely different developmental arcs as compared to basketball. In baseball even the best phenoms that come straight from highschool spend at least a year in the minor leagues (Bryce Harper and Mike Trout both as examples). In hockey the vast majority of the top draft picks are Canadian or foreign born players and the US players drafted usually come out of college or don't immediately start with their NHL team. They're completely different than the NBA where the top players are immediate players for their teams. I don't think this in any way supports the "parental tone" as you put it, but it's not a double standard. It's different developmental arcs. That doesn't even bring into consideration the differences in their bargaining agreements and strength of unions.

The NCAA is a joke, they don't teach these kids anything it's just taking advantage of them for a year and I wish the NBA would just say they do it so they can draft a better product. But I just don't see the racial divide because the sports are totally different animals. With one you are thrust immediately into the spotlight and the other you have to develop for a year or two before you're there (essentially the NCAA system).

I wish more high school players went overseas for a year or even two like Mudiay did because that money can have a tremendous impact on these peoples' lives and I think it could give cause for the NBA to reconsider the rule, but they choose not to.

It's still all about the money for me and I don't think race plays nearly as important a factor.

Well of course a guy will have a better rookie season if he's a year older. The question is, is he better off developing as a pro, or in college.

Actually I have an idea to solve this problem. Allow guys to be drafted straight out of high school and since the NBA wants to be closely aligned with the NCAA, give the players the option of being college eligible if the team wants to send them to college for development like happens with the D league. We can do away with this amateur nonsense, and of course a college isn't obligated to participate. A player can take classes in the summer, online etcetera. That way the NCAA can maximize its talent level, the players get paid, and the NBA has more choice when it comes to developing players games and academics.

[DemoleDemolezan]

Of course you will get the standard ignorant white guy response that it has nothing to do with race. When you're white, it's a lot easier to not see race. But this is clearly a racist policy- one that disproportionately affects black athletes and lines the NCAA's pockets.

Complaining about racism while being racist makes you look like an idiot. I wasn't aware hundreds of millions of people possessed a standard response.
Do we have standard responses for a variety of topics or only ones regarding American-based race matters?

Edit: I have also reported your post for racism. There is no need for attitudes like yours here.

If you think that post is bad, head over to Current Affairs sometime. It's like open season on white people over there. Posts like his are VERY common on that board.

Yeah, I can imagine. Nowadays it seems like white males are supposed to feel guilty or be hyper-aware/self-conscious about "white privilege". If people actually left their little holes and travelled the world they would quickly realize (like I have) that white Americans don't have a monopoly on racism.

[Bill Bradley]

Complaining about racism while being racist makes you look like an idiot. I wasn't aware hundreds of millions of people possessed a standard response.
Do we have standard responses for a variety of topics or only ones regarding American-based race matters?

Edit: I have also reported your post for racism. There is no need for attitudes like yours here.

If you think that post is bad, head over to Current Affairs sometime. It's like open season on white people over there. Posts like his are VERY common on that board.

Yeah, I can imagine. Nowadays it seems like white males are supposed to feel guilty or be hyper-aware/self-conscious about "white privilege". If people actually left their little holes and travelled the world they would quickly realize (like I have) that white Americans don't have a monopoly on racism.

Get a grip guys. As if it's open season on white people. Please get real. I'm white myself but I'm saddened about the rampant entitlement and ignorance on the part of many white people when it comes to discussions about race and racism. And yes, there are standard ignorant replies that many/most white people give, like "I don't see color," or "Why do black people always make everything about race?" I just called it like I saw it, which I'm entitled to do, and this thread delivered like I expected it to.

[ChosunX]

If you think that post is bad, head over to Current Affairs sometime. It's like open season on white people over there. Posts like his are VERY common on that board.

Yeah, I can imagine. Nowadays it seems like white males are supposed to feel guilty or be hyper-aware/self-conscious about "white privilege". If people actually left their little holes and travelled the world they would quickly realize (like I have) that white Americans don't have a monopoly on racism.

Get a grip guys. As if it's open season on white people. Please get real. I'm white myself but I'm saddened about the rampant entitlement and ignorance on the part of many white people when it comes to discussions about race and racism. And yes, there are standard ignorant replies that many/most white people give, like "I don't see color," or "Why do black people always make everything about race?" I just called it like I saw it, which I'm entitled to do, and this thread delivered like I expected it to.

Do black people get constantly accused of racism if they say anything negative about white people and the mainstream press picks it up? i had seen arguments that capitalism is racist on liberal websites.

[DemoleDemolezan]

If you think that post is bad, head over to Current Affairs sometime. It's like open season on white people over there. Posts like his are VERY common on that board.

Yeah, I can imagine. Nowadays it seems like white males are supposed to feel guilty or be hyper-aware/self-conscious about "white privilege". If people actually left their little holes and travelled the world they would quickly realize (like I have) that white Americans don't have a monopoly on racism.

Get a grip guys. As if it's open season on white people. Please get real. I'm white myself but I'm saddened about the rampant entitlement and ignorance on the part of many white people when it comes to discussions about race and racism. And yes, there are standard ignorant replies that many/most white people give, like "I don't see color," or "Why do black people always make everything about race?" I just called it like I saw it, which I'm entitled to do, and this thread delivered like I expected it to.

Stereotypes are an excellent substitute for critical thinking. You do realize that there are white people besides those that reside in America right? Your posts are dripping with ethnocentrism. Go travel the world a bit and expand your world view. Once you do that you'll realize that racism is much, much more rampant in other countries and that not every white person possesses this American, white versus black mindset regarding racism.

[Bill Bradley]

Yeah, I can imagine. Nowadays it seems like white males are supposed to feel guilty or be hyper-aware/self-conscious about "white privilege". If people actually left their little holes and travelled the world they would quickly realize (like I have) that white Americans don't have a monopoly on racism.

Get a grip guys. As if it's open season on white people. Please get real. I'm white myself but I'm saddened about the rampant entitlement and ignorance on the part of many white people when it comes to discussions about race and racism. And yes, there are standard ignorant replies that many/most white people give, like "I don't see color," or "Why do black people always make everything about race?" I just called it like I saw it, which I'm entitled to do, and this thread delivered like I expected it to.

Stereotypes are an excellent substitute for critical thinking. You do realize that there are white people besides those that reside in America right? Your posts are dripping with ethnocentrism. Go travel the world a bit and expand your world view. Once you do that you'll realize that racism is much, much more rampant in other countries and that not every white person possesses this American, white versus black mindset regarding racism.

So there are racist white people in other countries? Uhhh, yes, of course. How is that even a serious point? How does that negate racism here in the US?

[DuckIII]

I wonder what the motivation really is? Its certainly not to weed out busts. Busts will always exist.

Busts will always exist. But the longer you can evaluate a player, the less likely you are to be wrong due to premature analysis. Terence Morris could have been a number one over-all pick, stayed at Maryland two more years, and became a second rounder who never established himself in the NBA. The difference between what he was projected to be, and what he became, was time.

The age limit does not bust-proof the draft, but it affords teams a lot more information in evaluating prospects. Which teams will always prefer. That said, I don't believe bust-proofing the draft is a significant motivation for age restrictions.

The significant motivation is commercial. The NCAA and all of its massive marketing power through ESPN, CBS, the March Madness provides years of the absolute best marketing the NBA can get, without the NBA paying a dime for it. LeBron was a rare exception who transcended everything, so lets ignore him as an outlier.

But how many jerseys would KG have sold had he gone to Michigan for a season? No one outside of close followers of the NBA had any idea who Dwight Howard was before he went #1 over-all, and it took years for him to become a household name in Orlando. Had he gone to play for Donovan at Florida, or UGA, ESPN and CBS would have blown up his name recognition. Emeka Okafor was a household name. But Dwight who? Look at how hyped the Durant/Oden draft was. The attention to the lottery show, the draft itself, the national debate over who to draft . . . . none of that happens if they go straight from HS. It works another way as well: NCAA fans who become attached to a particular player are more likely to follow that player in the NBA. So it widens the potential fan base that way as well.

NCAA basketball is a marketing dream come true for the NBA. Massive pre-NBA exposure for rookies, building hype and excitement from fans, without spending one solitary penny to achieve it. And the longer they stay, the more the hype. That's why the NBA has an age restriction.

Enough of the crap already is what I say.

I agree. I am 100% philosophically opposed to age limits. I hate the rule.