Small Forward: Not The Biggest Need?

[whitehops]

paul milsap and a 3D SF. Dream senario.

99.9% chance we don't get millsap. unless there is a reason he wants to get out of Atlanta he's likely to end up back there. Atlanta has more cap space than we do this offseason. same situation with demarre carroll, as they have more than enough money to sign both of them.

around mid-season I was hoping we would sign khris middleton but he's restricted this offseason and the bucks have already said that they are going to match any bids on him. they aren't bluffing, as they have almost as much cap space as we do.

[mattao313]

paul milsap and a 3D SF. Dream senario.

99.9% chance we don't get millsap. unless there is a reason he wants to get out of Atlanta he's likely to end up back there. Atlanta has more cap space than we do this offseason. same situation with demarre carroll, as they have more than enough money to sign both of them.

around mid-season I was hoping we would sign khris middleton but he's restricted this offseason and the bucks have already said that they are going to match any bids on him. they aren't bluffing, as they have almost as much cap space as we do.

how about Gerald Green he probably could be had for cheap.

[sfballa13]

paul milsap and a 3D SF. Dream senario.

99.9% chance we don't get millsap. unless there is a reason he wants to get out of Atlanta he's likely to end up back there. Atlanta has more cap space than we do this offseason. same situation with demarre carroll, as they have more than enough money to sign both of them.

around mid-season I was hoping we would sign khris middleton but he's restricted this offseason and the bucks have already said that they are going to match any bids on him. they aren't bluffing, as they have almost as much cap space as we do.

You are right about Milsap, same goes with West and even Amir Johnson. Why would they leave their teams to come to the Pistons?

Our best bet will be Carroll who Atlanta will not give an 8M deal to when they are nearly paying Teague as much.

Another target should be Thad Young, who else could we get to play PF if Monroe bolts?

[whitehops]

how about Gerald Green he probably could be had for cheap.

he probably could and i'm sure he'd like to get more opportunity than he's getting in phoenix. I personally don't like him that much as he is kind of a black hole and not the best defensively but he is a great shooter and SVG loves his shooters.

Another target should be Thad Young, who else could we get to play PF if Monroe bolts?

he has a player option next year for ~$10 million so it will all depend on if he opts out of that. he would be a good option though as he is athletic and active on defense and can not only stretch the floor but is good at finishing inside. as a bonus he's 'only' going to be 27 next year.




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i'm gonna make a post in the free agency thread, as it's probably more relevant to post there about all of our options

[sfballa13]

how about Gerald Green he probably could be had for cheap.

he probably could and i'm sure he'd like to get more opportunity than he's getting in phoenix. I personally don't like him that much as he is kind of a black hole and not the best defensively but he is a great shooter and SVG loves his shooters.

Another target should be Thad Young, who else could we get to play PF if Monroe bolts?

he has a player option next year for ~$10 million so it will all depend on if he opts out of that. he would be a good option though as he is athletic and active on defense and can not only stretch the floor but is good at finishing inside. as a bonus he's 'only' going to be 27 next year.


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i'm gonna make a post in the free agency thread, as it's probably more relevant to post there about all of our options

I think we can get Young for a 4 year 36 M deal with the last year being a team option. He takes a 1M pay cut in order to secure 17M more than if he just took the player option next year

[Laimbeer]

Jennings off the ball greatly compromises his value. With two points and KCP at the three we'll get overpowered defensively. Makes no sense on either end.

Trying to play guys out of position isn't necessary. We are sitting right where the top threes are going in the draft . And then we've got a good bit of cap, with Monroe likely walking and hopefully moving Jennings.

[whitehops]

Jennings off the ball greatly compromises his value. With two points and KCP at the three we'll get overpowered defensively. Makes no sense on either end.

Trying to play guys out of position isn't necessary. We are sitting right where the top threes are going in the draft . And then we've got a good bit of cap, with Monroe likely walking and hopefully moving Jennings.

the thing I don't like about moving Jennings is that his trade value would be significantly lowered by his injury and only having one year remaining on his contract. teams aren't going to give up a lot of assets for an $8 million point guard who will likely take most of the year to get back up to speed, and then he's gone. that said, SVG could simply trade him for whatever he can get as he's shown he is willing to simply 'move on' from players if they won't work (josh smith anyone?).

I think KCP can more than hold his own against small forwards, and I don't think reggie Jackson would do any worse guarding SG's than meeks does. I don't see anybody complaining about meeks guarding shooting guards...



personally I think it's a mistake to pidgeon-hole players into specific positions. basketball is becoming much more position-less and is instead being focused on the roles of the system. what can't KCP do as well that the average starting small forward can? if you start to think of them as 'wing players' instead of 'SG and SF' then you will see that a lot of their roles are similar.

if we could sign a player like danny green (just an example), then would you seriously have a problem with him and KCP playing together? obviously the biggest reservation now would be if Jackson or Dinwiddie could guard shooting guards but I personally don't think it would be that big of a problem.

[Cowology]

I'm evidently far more concerned with our ability to defend 2's and 3's with a smallball lineup than you are. I think it's a major problem. And I'm also not counting on Jennings for anything.

[hoophabit]

Jennings off the ball greatly compromises his value. With two points and KCP at the three we'll get overpowered defensively. Makes no sense on either end.

Trying to play guys out of position isn't necessary. We are sitting right where the top threes are going in the draft . And then we've got a good bit of cap, with Monroe likely walking and hopefully moving Jennings.

the thing I don't like about moving Jennings is that his trade value would be significantly lowered by his injury and only having one year remaining on his contract. teams aren't going to give up a lot of assets for an $8 million point guard who will likely take most of the year to get back up to speed, and then he's gone. that said, SVG could simply trade him for whatever he can get as he's shown he is willing to simply 'move on' from players if they won't work (josh smith anyone?).

I think KCP can more than hold his own against small forwards, and I don't think reggie Jackson would do any worse guarding SG's than meeks does. I don't see anybody complaining about meeks guarding shooting guards...



personally I think it's a mistake to pidgeon-hole players into specific positions. basketball is becoming much more position-less and is instead being focused on the roles of the system. what can't KCP do as well that the average starting small forward can? if you start to think of them as 'wing players' instead of 'SG and SF' then you will see that a lot of their roles are similar.

if we could sign a player like danny green (just an example), then would you seriously have a problem with him and KCP playing together? obviously the biggest reservation now would be if Jackson or Dinwiddie could guard shooting guards but I personally don't think it would be that big of a problem.

IMO KCP shouldn't be counted on as a long term solution at the SF. They talk about basketball being more "position-less," but it's still a matchup game. He's built to be a 2, and while he can stopgap given his intense effort, it's too much of a mismatch. Draftxpress measured him at 6' 4.5" tall with 6' 8" wingspan and 204 lbs. That's too small for an everyday NBA 3. He has gained some weight since then, but most SFs would have a couple of inches and 15 - 20 lbs on him. Too much of that kind of mismatch wears players down and maybe gets them hurt. With a likely vacancy at the 4, I'm not sure which is the biggest need. However, a young, dynamic natural 3 remains a real need.

[Warspite]

I don't understand how so many believe that finding a SF is a easy task.

We have been looking for a SF since we traded Prince and low and behold we made another trade this yr for a SF who happened to be Prince. The NBA is void of starting caliber SFs. Players that would be 6th man 10 yrs ago are going to get Max deals and players who wouldn't make the NBA 25 yrs ago are going to be starters in the league at SF next yr.