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Derrick Roses next contract

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How much would you pay Rose if he stays relatively healthy (60+ games a year)

Lower than 5 million
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11%
5 million
14
15%
10 million
38
40%
15 million
21
22%
20 million
12
13%
 
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Re: Derrick Roses next contract 

Post#101 » by League Circles » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:01 pm

Rili67 wrote:Why do you think so many people are saying AD is resigning with the pels? The NBA makes it very hard for player to sign with any other team than the one you were drafted with. You would have to sign the Q.O. for one year, then hope that you don't have a bad season or a bad injury.
It's a lot safer to sign your first big deal with the team you were drafted by.



You didn't address why he didn't seek an ETO or PO.
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Re: Derrick Roses next contract 

Post#102 » by ADDinChicago » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:28 am

Rili67 wrote:Why do you think so many people are saying AD is resigning with the pels? The NBA makes it very hard for player to sign with any other team than the one you were drafted with. You would have to sign the Q.O. for one year, then hope that you don't have a bad season or a bad injury.
It's a lot safer to sign your first big deal with the team you were drafted by.


I think a lot depends on who you listen to about it. AD's logical thing to do would be re-sign with the Pelicans, but he also holds all the cards. They have put their entire franchise on the plan of Davis wanting to be there. There have been grumblings that he doesn't think they'll be good enough to actually compete. He could force their hand quite easily if he wants out by taking the QO and then forcing a trade. He would net you a ton back. Possibly more than anyone else now in the NBA because of his position and age. "Safe" isn't always "smart". Smart to retain his rights, but Davis has been injured quite a bit and no one wouldn't take him right now because of it. If and when he does re-sign, he's most likely going to bolt the first chance he gets by exercising an option or forcing them to deal him. Especially when the cap jumps, it's going to be even harder for small market teams to compete. New Orleans is just prolonging the inevitable. And that doesn't mean he'll be a Bull, but you'd have to think they have an edge when he goes on the market because of his ties here and his love of home (if you believe his family).
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Re: Derrick Roses next contract 

Post#103 » by TimRobbins » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:55 am

ADDinChicago wrote:I think a lot depends on who you listen to about it. AD's logical thing to do would be re-sign with the Pelicans, but he also holds all the cards. They have put their entire franchise on the plan of Davis wanting to be there. There have been grumblings that he doesn't think they'll be good enough to actually compete. He could force their hand quite easily if he wants out by taking the QO and then forcing a trade. He would net you a ton back. Possibly more than anyone else now in the NBA because of his position and age. "Safe" isn't always "smart". Smart to retain his rights, but Davis has been injured quite a bit and no one wouldn't take him right now because of it. If and when he does re-sign, he's most likely going to bolt the first chance he gets by exercising an option or forcing them to deal him. Especially when the cap jumps, it's going to be even harder for small market teams to compete. New Orleans is just prolonging the inevitable. And that doesn't mean he'll be a Bull, but you'd have to think they have an edge when he goes on the market because of his ties here and his love of home (if you believe his family).


Davis is going to take his max extension. His extension comes after the rise in cap. That means he'll be eligeable for a deal starting at around $27M. I anybody thinks he's taking the QO and leaving $17M on the table, they are delusional. It's not happening. It never did in the past. IT is possible that Davis takes a 4 year deal with a PO and becomes a FA in 2019.

These fantasies about Davis coming to the Bulls are just that. Fantasies.
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Re: Derrick Roses next contract 

Post#104 » by Benedict Miller » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:39 pm

Rose will not be a Bull. He will go play for whatever's best for him & his kid's future.
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Post#105 » by pb-ceo » Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:57 pm

I think the advanced stats guys will tell you that it's better to invest max money in "big" players. if you look at the pgs in the nba, there are at least 20 good ones. ones that can run a team and you could win a title with if they play to form. given the injury history here, given the age when the new contract starts, given the advanced stats that currently put him about mid pack among pgs, the bulls fo has to think long and hard how to make that next max money investment.
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Post#106 » by Bandit King » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:03 pm

Let Derrick Rose go Chicago! We need a real PG and one with healthy knees.
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Post#107 » by Stratmaster » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:50 pm

waffle wrote:I think he ends up elsewhere simply because we won't pay what he thinks he is worth. Love D Rose to death but you just worry that his best days may be behind him and that he may be injury prone, or worse, for the remainder of his career.


I will take that a step further. Rose's best days are definitely behind him. A guy who plays his style of basketball isn;t going to get better after 3 knee surgeries and 4 years of aging.

That doesn't mean he can't still end up being a very good player.

I will even go so far as to say I don't see him ever playing in the all-star game again unless it is purely out of name recognition. There are multiple great PG's in the East now, and the Bulls roster is so much different. Rose isn't ever going to be the only major scorer again, which is what got him the MVP nods and some of his reputation.

That doesn't mean he can't still end up being a very good player.

Rose is going to have to adjust his game a good bit to be a positive on the court. He needs to fall out of love with the 3's and be more focused about facilitating.

That doesn't mean he can't end up being a very good player. In fact, if he makes that adjustment, with the other talent and scoring the Bulls have added, he could be a very good PG on a tean that contends for a championship season after season.

I don't pay him more than 10-15 mil a season unless something really fantastic happens over the next two seasons and everything I just said above ends up being proven wrong. And he should be willing tos ign for that. He has been the most overpaid person in the world in any field of work for the past few seasons. He is from chicago. If there was ever a guy who should play for a discount for the Bulls it is Drose. I could see 3 years/45 mil. If he is relatively injury free and plays well he can then get another payday. I expect though that he will insist on 4 or 5 in order to give the discount.
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Re: Derrick Roses next contract 

Post#108 » by Rili67 » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:51 pm

At the end of the day... even if rose plays ok.. something like 18/6 ... I think he STILL has to take a pay cut. His injury history, plus the fact he will have missed over half the games played on his current contract means that he has to give a little up. If he plays 18/6 ball with decent percentages, I'm ok with the bulls offering him something like 4/50mil, past that..he can walk. He's an injury risk, and his best days are behind him. I seriously don't see him re-inventing himself to be a shooter/play maker.
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Re: Derrick Roses next contract 

Post#109 » by whodey » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:57 pm

Rili67 wrote:At the end of the day... even if rose plays ok.. something like 18/6 ... I think he STILL has to take a pay cut. His injury history, plus the fact he will have missed over half the games played on his current contract means that he has to give a little up. If he plays 18/6 ball with decent percentages, I'm ok with the bulls offering him something like 4/50mil, past that..he can walk. He's an injury risk, and his best days are behind him. I seriously don't see him re-inventing himself to be a shooter/play maker.


2 years still left to play his contract out, injury history can be completely forgotten IF he has 2 straight seasons healthy. I'm not saying he will, I just think it's too early to start predicting contracts. Not to mention the increased salary cap around the corner, way too early to start throwing numbers out there because 4 yr at 50 million today is like 4 yrs 75 million in 2 seasons.
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Re: Derrick Roses next contract 

Post#110 » by transplant » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:24 pm

Rose's next contract?

I think I'd rather take a shot at providing a can't-miss formula for perpetual global peace and contentment. I mean, how the **** does anyone know?

The past and present doesn't matter a whit. Not a **** whit! It's all speculation about how Rose comes back from his latest surgery and whether he can put together any sort of sustained level of performance that might convince a team to bet on his performance from 2017-2022. You want me to intelligently predict that?

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Re: Derrick Roses next contract 

Post#111 » by Rili67 » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:32 pm

Three years of injuries in row...and you guys act like this is hard to predict? You do know that bulls fans are the only ones who have any faith in D rose anymore right? I mean I'm optimistic... but ****...
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Post#112 » by greenl » Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:02 pm

Benedict Miller wrote:Rose will not be a Bull. He will go play for whatever's best for him & his kid's future.


Agree with the former- but his future and his kids future and his kids kids futures are taken care of- unless they are taking advice from MC Hammer on how to blow through $300mm.
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Post#113 » by kyrv » Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:43 pm

transplant wrote:Rose's next contract?

I think I'd rather take a shot at providing a can't-miss formula for perpetual global peace and contentment. I mean, how the **** does anyone know?

The past and present doesn't matter a whit. Not a **** whit! It's all speculation about how Rose comes back from his latest surgery and whether he can put together any sort of sustained level of performance that might convince a team to bet on his performance from 2017-2022. You want me to intelligently predict that?

No. Thank. You.


Yep. Better to pick lottery numbers if someone is good at wild guesses.

Good grief. Nobody knows what Rose will be like in 3 weeks. Three years? :rofl:
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Post#114 » by Madhouse » Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:55 pm

He has to go. We need to get rid of Noah, Gibson and Rose as the main contracts and build around Buckets and Threekola
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Re: Derrick Roses next contract 

Post#115 » by Benedict Miller » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:36 pm

greenl wrote:
Benedict Miller wrote:Rose will not be a Bull. He will go play for whatever's best for him & his kid's future.


Agree with the former- but his future and his kids future and his kids kids futures are taken care of- unless they are taking advice from MC Hammer on how to blow through $300mm.


Not talking just financially. Possibly safety, as Chicago has alot of senseless murders.
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Post#116 » by dautjazz » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:54 am

60+ games? He just played 39, 10, and 46 the last seasons, 60+ seems very optimistic. If you're going to resign him, it should be for like 10M or less, he plays half a season, and at 60% of the level that MVP Rose did. I'm sure some desperate franchise will be willing to offer him like 15+M to put butts on seats though
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Re: Derrick Roses next contract 

Post#117 » by TheStig » Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:12 am

Stratmaster wrote:
waffle wrote:I think he ends up elsewhere simply because we won't pay what he thinks he is worth. Love D Rose to death but you just worry that his best days may be behind him and that he may be injury prone, or worse, for the remainder of his career.


I will take that a step further. Rose's best days are definitely behind him. A guy who plays his style of basketball isn;t going to get better after 3 knee surgeries and 4 years of aging.

That doesn't mean he can't still end up being a very good player.

I will even go so far as to say I don't see him ever playing in the all-star game again unless it is purely out of name recognition. There are multiple great PG's in the East now, and the Bulls roster is so much different. Rose isn't ever going to be the only major scorer again, which is what got him the MVP nods and some of his reputation.

That doesn't mean he can't still end up being a very good player.

Rose is going to have to adjust his game a good bit to be a positive on the court. He needs to fall out of love with the 3's and be more focused about facilitating.

That doesn't mean he can't end up being a very good player. In fact, if he makes that adjustment, with the other talent and scoring the Bulls have added, he could be a very good PG on a tean that contends for a championship season after season.

I don't pay him more than 10-15 mil a season unless something really fantastic happens over the next two seasons and everything I just said above ends up being proven wrong. And he should be willing tos ign for that. He has been the most overpaid person in the world in any field of work for the past few seasons. He is from chicago. If there was ever a guy who should play for a discount for the Bulls it is Drose. I could see 3 years/45 mil. If he is relatively injury free and plays well he can then get another payday. I expect though that he will insist on 4 or 5 in order to give the discount.

I think the love of 3's came from trying to just make it through the year. Apparently he was playing with discomfort for awhile.

His meniscus discomfort should be behind him, he will be well rested and I wouldn't be surprised to see the best moving, athletic and energetic Rose all year in the playoffs.

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