Game 74: OKC Thunder (41-32) @ Phoenix Suns (38-35)

KLEON · Post #161 » by **KLEON** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:35 am

DaleyBlind wrote:
KLEON wrote:If you really check it, every team apart from the Suns and Knicks has a good PG. #TradeBledsoe

No...that is just being ridiclious

OK you tell me which starting PG is Bledsoe better than besides Galloway?

kennydorglas · Post #162 » by **kennydorglas** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:35 am

SunsReadyToRoll wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:Looks like we're doomed to being a treadmill team forever destined to be forever on the outside looking in. Gotta blow it all up now

Hey the Hawks were a treadmill team for many years until they got a good coach and now are a contender.

^ this

Sunlight · Post #163 » by **Sunlight** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:36 am

DaleyBlind wrote:If Knight gets 15 mill, then the Suns deserve to suck.

He already refused 9mil until new salary cap thoughts came in.

saintEscaton · Post #164 » by **saintEscaton** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:36 am

SunsReadyToRoll wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:Looks like we're doomed to being a treadmill team forever destined to be forever on the outside looking in. Gotta blow it all up now

Hey the Hawks were a treadmill team for many years until they got a good coach and now are a contender.

But they play in the cupcake East and have two cornerstone bigs to go along with an emerging Teauge and a sharpshooting Ashton Kucher. Of course Budenholzer played a large part in their turn around but I doubt he could do that here with our personnel

DirtyDez · Post #165 » by **DirtyDez** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:39 am

I wouldn't be against a total rebuild. Nobody can honestly look at this team and think a winning record means we're close.

Mr-Al · Post #166 » by **Mr-Al** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:41 am

We need to seriously look at Knight sign/trade deals imo, or even look at Bled trade options

this team can't afford to stand pat without any real guys with superstar talent potential (Len maybe does, but more Marc Gasolish)

I would prefer that we commit to Goodwin at starting 2-guard rather than play Knight as an undersized, defensively challenged 2-guard

Goodwin is already the best player on the team in drawing fouls imo
has amazing length for a shooting guard
wants to get to the rim, great body control/touch
decent IQ/passing
shooting form vastly improved from last year

If Goodwin just improves his shooting, he will be better than Knight in every facet of the game

Knight's played a billion more minutes than Goodwin in his career, is three years older, and still can't defend or finish at the rim

Bled/Knight are our most valuable tradable players, and we need to see if we can maybe get a good lottery pick or young player with superstar potential back

there are a lot of teams in the East that could use one of Knight or Bledsoe (I could see Knight becoming a better player, but I don't see Bled improving much to be honest)

The Morri, I hate them as starting players, but off the bench they have a lot of value, and trading them would decimate whatever frontcourt depth we have, and their contracts are AMAZING for what they offer. The midrange is a valuable tool to have in the playoffs and the Morri are among the best in the entire league at them

Finally, TJ "Warlock" Warren and Goodwin better get >20 mins a game for the rest of the season

JTrain · Post #167 » by **JTrain** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:43 am

OK, one last time for this season:

RunDogGun · Post #168 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:44 am

SunsReadyToRoll wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:Looks like we're doomed to being a treadmill team forever destined to be forever on the outside looking in. Gotta blow it all up now

Hey the Hawks were a treadmill team for many years until they got a good coach and now are a contender.

Houston was as well. This stupid notion about picking middle in the draft equals treadmill is getting out of hand. Many players can be picked at the middle and turn out to be awesome players. So far this season everyone is saying how we should grab Butler (26) or Leonard (15), this coming offseason. Yep picking 14 is just terrible, huh? :roll:

Maybe we should go after Marc Gasol, nope we can't do that, he was a second round pick. Or all this crying about Goran, another second rounder.

All this crying for Warren and Goodwin getting minutes, but why, they were 14 and 29 respectfully.

saintEscaton · Post #169 » by **saintEscaton** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:44 am

It really comes down to how good of a used car salesman McDuh is to peddle his damaged goods he keeps hyping up as "assets". Landing a superstar via trade is a pipedream imo, it'll be most likely draft or bust

tdjm · Post #170 » by **tdjm** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:45 am

Someone please explain to me why Knight played so many minutes. Someone explain to me why, after missing 2 more games than was expected, he wasn't on a minutes restriction and instead they were actively looking to force feed him minutes. Please, someone explain this to me.

He and Bledsoe playing alongside each other is UGLY. Why can't he just absorb the backup point guard minutes when Bledsoe sits until he gets his game legs under him? He had played more minutes than the red hot Markieff Morris at the half and he was shooting like crap and coming off an 8 game injury.

Why were we trying so hard to work him back into the rotation? He was shooting 37% (34% from three) BEFORE this abomination of a game. Why did we start going small again just to force feed him minutes even though he's been struggling?

He hasn't shown anything to deserve those minutes. Len had to claw his way into the starting lineup. TJ and Archie have to fight hard for every minute. Brandon Knight does dumb **** and gets handed as many minutes as he can stomach? I'm not okay with that.

Brandon Knight is an Isaiah Thomas replacement until he proves otherwise. Stop force feeding him minutes. Make him earn them.

Usually, I'm optimistic, even after losses, but this was grueling. I was really enjoying playing big, scrapping for rebounds even if we were losing. Seeing a return to all the combo guard crap was really upsetting to watch.

RunDogGun · Post #171 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:47 am

JTrain wrote:OK, one last time for this season:

I'm keeping you to this, last time!

RunDogGun · Post #172 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:49 am

saintEscaton wrote:It really comes down to how good of a used cards salesman McDuh is to peddle his damaged goods he keeps hyping up as "assets". Landing a superstar via trade is a pipedream imo, it'll be most likely draft or bust

Who would buy "used cards"? Man you'd have to bea good salesman to do that. :lol:

saintEscaton · Post #173 » by **saintEscaton** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:52 am

RunDogGun wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:It really comes down to how good of a used cards salesman McDuh is to peddle his damaged goods he keeps hyping up as "assets". Landing a superstar via trade is a pipedream imo, it'll be most likely draft or bust

Who would buy "used cards"? Man you'd have to bea good salesman to do that.

lol

Funky Tut · Post #174 » by **Funky Tut** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:10 am

I wouldnt mind a blow up either, but just keep Len, Archie, and TJ

Mulhollanddrive · Post #175 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:13 am

We're still a .500 team in the West.

We have barely an above average player.

2 All-Star acquisitions only need to add 10 games between them and we're a 55 win team.

JTrain · Post #176 » by **JTrain** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:39 am

I think if we've accomplished anything since the break it's driving the price up on the Morrii. Really they are good iso offensive players and that's about it. They seem to be F.A.U.X. leaders too in that they love being the top dogs but they don't actually seem to have the positive side of leadership, namely driving everyone around them to be great and fostering a winning culture.

They are a great marketing combo as long as you don't catch them calling their own fans the worst in the NBA. You can guarantee their shared house and bank account will be brought up every single national broadcast. Every one. Who doesn't love (basically) identical twins? Perhaps an owner desperate for a ticket sales boost will give up a promising young PF for them.

KLEON · Post #177 » by **KLEON** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:50 am

Get rid of Bledsoe and this team is good. Can't believe we gave up the Dragon and I.T to make this clown our leading PG :banghead:

saintEscaton · Post #178 » by **saintEscaton** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:53 am

KLEON wrote:Get rid of Bledsoe and this team is good. Can't believe we gave up the Dragon and I.T to make this clown our leading PG

Good as in a sure thing for tanking?

letsgosuns · Post #179 » by **letsgosuns** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:57 am

This game shows exactly what I have the disdain I do for Hornacek and the Morris brothers. Markieff starts off crazy hot in the first quarter and totally disappears the rest of the game. That is just the kind of player he is. You never know what he is going to do. Some games he plays like an all star. Others he seems like a cheap bench player. A lot of people always bring up the topic of the Morris brothers contracts being great value. Well honestly I do not care. I only want to win a championship. I am not interested in the Suns winning an award for having no big contracts on the roster. Does anyone on here believe the Morris brothers are players who will lead you to a championship? I do not. They have attitude problems, are wildly inconsistent, and have low basketball iq's.

As far as Hornacek goes, look at what this guy does tonight. He gives Warren 30 minutes and Warren gets 18 points and 5 rebounds. Played a great game. Okay so that sounds good right. WELL WHY THE HELL DID WARREN GET ZERO MINUTES AGAINST THE BLAZERS!!! Yes I am screaming that. I said it last game. Don't you guys think the Suns could have used his cutting and hustle and knack for being in the right place at the right time the other night. Of course they could have. See what happens when you give a young guy with talent a lot of playing time. Good things can happen. Where is your brain Hornacek?

On the other hand, look at Goodwin. He plays 3 minutes tonight. And they came at an inexcusable time too. Hornacek put him in ice cold with no rhythm to start the 4th quarter like he expects Goodwin to save the team or something. Maybe Hornacek should have played Goowdin 5-6 minutes in the first half to let him get adjusted instead of rotting on the bench. Goodwin also only played because Knight got injured. He would have most likely had zero minutes if Knight could have played more. Anyway, after Goodwin came in, Hornacek pulled him out of the game at the first timeout after 3 minutes. It is impossible to judge a player on 3 minutes. Did he look good? No. Did he look bad? No. He played 3 minutes. He did not look anything. Funny thing is that in those 3 minutes he still managed to get some statistics as he had 2 points and 2 rebounds. Plus the team looked way worse after Goodwin came out of the game and Bledsoe came back in.

Idk anymore when it comes to this coach. I feel like everything he does goes against common sense. Alex Len had 11 rebounds and 2 blocks in 25 minutes and he did not play in the fourth quarter. The Suns could have used his rebounding and defense. I guess Markieff Morris' interior defense was good enough huh coach. Markieff did nothing in the second half. Len should have been out there when it mattered against Adams in the paint. Benching your franchise center who is clearly the best defender on the team is asinine.

If Hornacek does not commit to playing Goodwin AND Warren both at least 20-25 minutes per game the rest of the season then he is completely lost. The season is done. Even if the Suns go undefeated the rest of the way (yeah right) I doubt the Thunder lose enough for the Suns to even have a chance. I love how Warren and Goodwin play. Those guys have major potential. Len, Warren, and Goodwin can truly be the foundation of this team moving forward. I do not see a Bledsoe/Knight combination being anything to write home about. It just looks like Bledsoe/Dragic 2.0. Knight looked better when Bledsoe was on the bench and vice versa. I hope McDonough sees what is obvious. The team needs to go younger and build around the future. No more treadmill players. Because that is all what this team currently is. A treadmill team desperate for an overhaul and it starts with the coach.

Mr-Al · Post #180 » by **Mr-Al** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:13 am

letsgosuns wrote:This game shows exactly what I have the disdain I do for Hornacek and the Morris brothers. Markieff starts off crazy hot in the first quarter and totally disappears the rest of the game. That is just the kind of player he is. You never know what he is going to do. Some games he plays like an all star. Others he seems like a cheap bench player. A lot of people always bring up the topic of the Morris brothers contracts being great value. Well honestly I do not care. I only want to win a championship. I am not interested in the Suns winning an award for having no big contracts on the roster. Does anyone on here believe the Morris brothers are players who will lead you to a championship? I do not. They have attitude problems, are wildly inconsistent, and have low basketball iq's.

As far as Hornacek goes, look at what this guy does tonight. He gives Warren 30 minutes and Warren gets 18 points and 5 rebounds. Played a great game. Okay so that sounds good right. WELL WHY THE HELL DID WARREN GET ZERO MINUTES AGAINST THE BLAZERS!!! Yes I am screaming that. I said it last game. Don't you guys think the Suns could have used his cutting and hustle and knack for being in the right place at the right time the other night. Of course they could have. See what happens when you give a young guy with talent a lot of playing time. Good things can happen. Where is your brain Hornacek?

On the other hand, look at Goodwin. He plays 3 minutes tonight. And they came at an inexcusable time too. Hornacek put him in ice cold with no rhythm to start the 4th quarter like he expects Goodwin to save the team or something. Maybe Hornacek should have played Goowdin 5-6 minutes in the first half to let him get adjusted instead of rotting on the bench. Goodwin also only played because Knight got injured. He would have most likely had zero minutes if Knight could have played more. Anyway, after Goodwin came in, Hornacek pulled him out of the game at the first timeout after 3 minutes. It is impossible to judge a player on 3 minutes. Did he look good? No. Did he look bad? No. He played 3 minutes. He did not look anything. Funny thing is that in those 3 minutes he still managed to get some statistics as he had 2 points and 2 rebounds. Plus the team looked way worse after Goodwin came out of the game and Bledsoe came back in.

Idk anymore when it comes to this coach. I feel like everything he does goes against common sense. Alex Len had 11 rebounds and 2 blocks in 25 minutes and he did not play in the fourth quarter. The Suns could have used his rebounding and defense. I guess Markieff Morris' interior defense was good enough huh coach. Markieff did nothing in the second half. Len should have been out there when it mattered against Adams in the paint. Benching your franchise center who is the clearly the best defender on the team is asinine.

If Hornacek does not commit to playing Goodwin AND Warren both at least 20-25 minutes per game the rest of the season then he is completely lost. The season is done. Even if the Suns go undefeated the rest of the way (yeah right) I doubt the Thunder lose enough for the Suns to even have a chance. I love how Warren and Goodwin play. Those guys have major potential. Len, Warren, and Goodwin can truly be the foundation of this team moving forward. I do not see a Bledsoe/Knight combination being anything to write home about. It just looks like Bledsoe/Dragic 2.0. Knight looked better when Bledsoe was on the bench and vice versa. I hope McDonough sees what is obvious. The team needs to go younger and build around the future. No more treadmill players. Because that is all what this team currently is. A treadmill team desperate for an overhaul and it starts with the coach.

I agree with pretty much everything you said

at this point, all I can say is that Hornacek absolutely sucks at rotations

and I hate the idea of a Bled/Knight backcourt long-term

Honestly a Knight/Goodwin or even a Bledsoe/Goodwin backcourt sound better to me

cash in on one of those guys and see if you can get a young PF with potential out of the draft or through a trade

maybe Noah Vonleh is available, I liked that guy a lot in the draft

maybe MJ is stupid enough to get us Vonleh back in a Knight Sign/Trade