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Liver_Pooty wrote:We can take this to the draft thread, but Kelly Oubre as a "Star scorer" might be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on here.
BrotherDave wrote:I'd much rather build around Kemba than Al. Al needs 3&D players at practically every position. Kemba just needs an off-guard with decent size for defensive purposes, an excellent outside shot and is comfortable letting Kemba dribble the ball incessantly.
Kemba gonna be Kemba but it would be much more tolerable if his starting SG wasn't Gerald Henderson, Jr, Kobe impersonator extraordinaire.
Sachmo wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:Sachmo wrote:I like MKG as a piece of this team. I wouldn't "build around him" but I would also hate to see him go.
MKG is not going anywhere, but shaping a roster around him just isn't smart.
not as the centrepiece but you should consider him when building your roster. he is a worthy starter and the player I would least like to lose on our current roster.
catch20two wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:We can take this to the draft thread, but Kelly Oubre as a "Star scorer" might be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on here.
He's a better scorer than a freshman Paul George at Fresno State I'll tell you that. Oubre isn't a finished project. He could be a star. Could be don't mean he will be.
catch20two wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:We can take this to the draft thread, but Kelly Oubre as a "Star scorer" might be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on here.
He's a better scorer than a freshman Paul George at Fresno State I'll tell you that. Oubre isn't a finished project. He could be a star. Could be don't mean he will be.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
Sik Infant wrote:catch20two wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:We can take this to the draft thread, but Kelly Oubre as a "Star scorer" might be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on here.
He's a better scorer than a freshman Paul George at Fresno State I'll tell you that. Oubre isn't a finished project. He could be a star. Could be don't mean he will be.
I actually agree with you.
Oubre is the guy that just didn't get going in college and is probably more suited for the pro's.
This guy could make GM's nervous on draft night and so will Myles Turner and Trey Lyles.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
catch20two wrote:DY_nasty wrote:seriously, our offense doesn't suffer with MKG on the court - the exact opposite actually. so you have no argument)
Lol. Oh so you just gonna ignore MKG's man totally ignoring him to make a case that's fiction. We suffer offensively with MKG on the court but we suffer more when he's off it because our defense totally go to sh*t while our offense can't make up the ground. The only way MKG won't hurt us as much on the floor offensvely will be the day we get a SG that can score and legitimately stretch the floor.
Sik Infant wrote:Let Mike have the keys to this team.
People think centrepiece only in terms of offense, but we have a defensive superstar, build around him in the sense of adding players that maximise MKG's strengths is all I'm saying.
Give him shooters and defenders to allow him some freedom to operate on both sides of the court.
) and no one has a problem with anyone saying MKG is our best player. Liver_Pooty wrote:catch20two wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:We can take this to the draft thread, but Kelly Oubre as a "Star scorer" might be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on here.
He's a better scorer than a freshman Paul George at Fresno State I'll tell you that. Oubre isn't a finished project. He could be a star. Could be don't mean he will be.
Lol I could name a dozen wing players that were better than George at Fresno State. Saying someone "could be a star but might not be" hell, I could say that for everyone in the draft. I don't like Oubre at all.
catch20two wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:catch20two wrote:He's a better scorer than a freshman Paul George at Fresno State I'll tell you that. Oubre isn't a finished project. He could be a star. Could be don't mean he will be.
Lol I could name a dozen wing players that were better than George at Fresno State. Saying someone "could be a star but might not be" hell, I could say that for everyone in the draft. I don't like Oubre at all.
That's the purpose of drafting raw skilled players that can actually shoot. They might mold out into a star like Paul George or just be a run of the mill wing like Wesley Johnson. A team like this can afford to take that risk since shooting has been missing in the youth arsenal since way way way back before the Hornets went to New Orleans.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
DY_nasty wrote:catch20two wrote:DY_nasty wrote:seriously, our offense doesn't suffer with MKG on the court - the exact opposite actually. so you have no argument)
Lol. Oh so you just gonna ignore MKG's man totally ignoring him to make a case that's fiction. We suffer offensively with MKG on the court but we suffer more when he's off it because our defense totally go to sh*t while our offense can't make up the ground. The only way MKG won't hurt us as much on the floor offensvely will be the day we get a SG that can score and legitimately stretch the floor.
We're better with him on the court than off.
http://www.82games.com/1415/14CHA9.HTM
I'm not BSing at all. I mean... I think people have this misconception that you can only make people guard you by hitting shots from range when that is not the case at all. We literally shoot better as a team with MKG on the court. It was never about MKG hitting 3s but MKG forcing defenses to guard him. He's done that and some.
On top of that, he's actually been a bigger bail out guy for the guards than most give credit for. 70% of his buckets are assisted - which is astounding because he's taken significantly more shots from distance this year than he has before. Hell, the guy is hitting 50% between 10-16 feet - that's actually damned good.
DY_nasty wrote:catch20two wrote:DY_nasty wrote:seriously, our offense doesn't suffer with MKG on the court - the exact opposite actually. so you have no argument)
Lol. Oh so you just gonna ignore MKG's man totally ignoring him to make a case that's fiction. We suffer offensively with MKG on the court but we suffer more when he's off it because our defense totally go to sh*t while our offense can't make up the ground. The only way MKG won't hurt us as much on the floor offensvely will be the day we get a SG that can score and legitimately stretch the floor.
We're better with him on the court than off.
http://www.82games.com/1415/14CHA9.HTM
I'm not BSing at all. I mean... I think people have this misconception that you can only make people guard you by hitting shots from range when that is not the case at all. We literally shoot better as a team with MKG on the court. It was never about MKG hitting 3s but MKG forcing defenses to guard him. He's done that and some.
On top of that, he's actually been a bigger bail out guy for the guards than most give credit for. 70% of his buckets are assisted - which is astounding because he's taken significantly more shots from distance this year than he has before. Hell, the guy is hitting 50% between 10-16 feet - that's actually damned good.
Liver_Pooty wrote:catch20two wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:
Lol I could name a dozen wing players that were better than George at Fresno State. Saying someone "could be a star but might not be" hell, I could say that for everyone in the draft. I don't like Oubre at all.
That's the purpose of drafting raw skilled players that can actually shoot. They might mold out into a star like Paul George or just be a run of the mill wing like Wesley Johnson. A team like this can afford to take that risk since shooting has been missing in the youth arsenal since way way way back before the Hornets went to New Orleans.
I disagree. We can't take chances like that anymore. Were already bad enough as it is. Were a Wesley Johnson away from being the Clippers of the 90s
Liver_Pooty wrote:Sik Infant wrote:catch20two wrote:He's a better scorer than a freshman Paul George at Fresno State I'll tell you that. Oubre isn't a finished project. He could be a star. Could be don't mean he will be.
I actually agree with you.
Oubre is the guy that just didn't get going in college and is probably more suited for the pro's.
This guy could make GM's nervous on draft night and so will Myles Turner and Trey Lyles.
Ugh, I despise Turner. You both may prove me wrong, but I dont see it.
Braggins wrote:Sik Infant wrote:Let Mike have the keys to this team.
People think centrepiece only in terms of offense, but we have a defensive superstar, build around him in the sense of adding players that maximise MKG's strengths is all I'm saying.
Give him shooters and defenders to allow him some freedom to operate on both sides of the court.
Adding shooters would help Kemba as much as MKG. Is it possible that you are so anti-Kemba right now because you are frustrated that people think Kemba is better and you don't think we are building around MKG? Kemba is at worst our second best player, and he needs the same types of players that MKG needs in order to excel. We can add shooting at shooting guard or power forward, and we have a stretch 4 prospect that will hopefully pan out. Why does it have to be "trade Kemba and build around MKG"? Why can't we just build around the strengths of the best players? I just don't see how keeping Kemba in any way prevents us from building around the defensive identity that MKG gives our team. You seem to think that you have to take Kemba down in order to build up MKG. Everyone loves MKG (except MI
npBraggins wrote:DY_nasty wrote:catch20two wrote:Lol. Oh so you just gonna ignore MKG's man totally ignoring him to make a case that's fiction. We suffer offensively with MKG on the court but we suffer more when he's off it because our defense totally go to sh*t while our offense can't make up the ground. The only way MKG won't hurt us as much on the floor offensvely will be the day we get a SG that can score and legitimately stretch the floor.
We're better with him on the court than off.
http://www.82games.com/1415/14CHA9.HTM
I'm not BSing at all. I mean... I think people have this misconception that you can only make people guard you by hitting shots from range when that is not the case at all. We literally shoot better as a team with MKG on the court. It was never about MKG hitting 3s but MKG forcing defenses to guard him. He's done that and some.
On top of that, he's actually been a bigger bail out guy for the guards than most give credit for. 70% of his buckets are assisted - which is astounding because he's taken significantly more shots from distance this year than he has before. Hell, the guy is hitting 50% between 10-16 feet - that's actually damned good.
While you are on 82games you should check out Al's on-court/off-court statistics. It might clear up some things with regards to the Al/Kemba argument from the game thread.
BrotherDave wrote:Kemba's like our avatar. We're "building" around him but honestly there isn't a player on the roster really worth building around. We went through a rebuild without drafting a franchise talent. MKG is a god-tier role player, Biz could be the same, Zeller can be a solid, rotational 2-way player, and Kemba is "clutch" and stuff like that.
We need to accept Kemba as a role player on a 3rd option contract (when the tv deal kicks in) and plug that gaping hole at SG and/or PF/C.
Braggins wrote:This is OT and pointless, but am I seriously the only one who has noticed that Al sets screens like a girl. I don't just mean that they are soft. I mean he literally sets screens like high school girls do. He puts his hands up in front of his chest like he is protecting his tits and doesn't make any body contact, only with his arms.