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Post#41 » by dckingsfan » Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:51 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:You go Otto:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =ws_per_48


Small sample size theatre, ha!

Seriously, though. Otto was third on the Wizards last night and first in ORtg.

15 points on 8 shots. 9 boards, an assist, a steal and nary a turnover.

His defense has been spectacular; his length really bothers people.


So true on the sample size - just can't help myself :)
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Post#42 » by closg00 » Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:56 pm

We have a nice consolation prize in Otto. Otto is already a solid glue guy and he hasn't even filled out yet.
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Post#43 » by hands11 » Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:34 pm

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miller31time wrote:And this is why, whenever anybody says they wanted to take Noel (like myself), we ALWAYS included the caveat of "But I still think Porter will be a good player and am not unhappy with the pick."

His defense, rebounding and court awareness was off-the-charts good tonight.


Kills me that it took until the playoffs for him to get a chance to play, but I'm also happy to see that Wittman trusts him now that it really matters.

If he can maintain that energy, don't even care about his scoring, it should be a real confidence boost heading into next season.


I wish he would have started more games but they did get him through the season healthy and he is in the playoffs. Lets not overlook that. Could we have had more minutes of Otto and get him through. maybe..maybe not. Maybe the played it overly safe. Maybe they played is pretty damn close to how they should have. We don't know. What we do know is, he is in the playoffs and healthy. Thats a good thing. What he does here can end up mattering much more then the regular season.

One things is for sure...

OttoMagic... Not a bust.

Does everyone remember that slick ass move his made going under the rim for the reverse. Dude makes some shots like that and they are sick. All Go Go Gadget arms. And the defense. Oh my. Trevor A would be proud.

Dude is showing signs of having... "It"

I also saw he had a moment on the court where his inner Warrior came out and Truth was right there to stoke that fire. Truth is poking at these young mans minds.

So much good stuff happened for our young core in Game 2. So much stuff. Pure awesome when things work out well.

Onto Game 3. Foot on neck going for the sweep. And all this is a great warm up for ATL. We will have a lot more learning to do if we are to stand a legit chance against ATL. You can't play 4th quarters like that and beat ATL. Back to work.
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Re: Otto Porter Part 2 

Post#44 » by Higga » Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:40 pm

Porter can play. His D on Derozan has been fantastic and now he's scoring too. Play him more Witt.
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Re: Otto Porter Part 2 

Post#45 » by nuposse04 » Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:54 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SymJsmjHsgs[/youtube]

Wish I could watch how many times he made Demar chuck up a brick too.
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Post#46 » by DCZards » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:15 pm

hands11 wrote:I wish he would have started more games but they did get him through the season healthy and he is in the playoffs. Lets not overlook that. Could we have had more minutes of Otto and get him through. maybe..maybe not. Maybe the played it overly safe. Maybe they played is pretty damn close to how they should have. We don't know. What we do know is, he is in the playoffs and healthy. Thats a good thing. What he does here can end up mattering much more then the regular season.


I don't think health had any thing to do with Otto not getting minutes. I think it was simply a lack of vision on the part of Randy. Otto is 21 years old and, as far as I know, has not been injured since early last season when he had to sit out the first month or so. There didn't seem to be any need to limit his minutes to keep him healthy this season.

I'm glad to see Otto getting PT (kudos to Randy for that) and thrilled to see him contributing. But I can't help but think he'd be even further along if he had gotten consistent minutes throughout the season.
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Post#47 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:02 pm

Higga wrote:Porter can play. His D on Derozan has been fantastic and now he's scoring too. Play him more Witt.


Wall, Beal, and Porter played the most minutes. The three youngest players played 40, 42, and 36 minutes.

Wittman didn't play Butler. Humphries hasn't been in either game. He hasn't preferred veteran play over youth.
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Post#48 » by fishercob » Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:09 pm

Induveca wrote:Beyond frustrated with this guy. Looks like he's riding the pine until summer league barring new injuries.

Far too passive/weak....he has that Vesley "deer In headlights" look the past few months as well.


Induveca wrote:Otto has been afforded plenty of opportunity. He's been especially atrocious his last 10 games, with the exception of one. He's averaged 22 minutes in those games with one deserved DNP-CD.

Let's just all pray there is a sucker in the league willing to take on Porter via a decent trade.

Porter reminds me a lot of Jae Crowder. Great college player, but overmatched at the next level.....his skills just don't translate when everyone is x% taller x% faster vs his Gtown days.

Maybe one day he'll become a decent bench player, Crowder is finally showing some competent bench play in Boston this past month.



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Post#49 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:13 pm

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hands11 wrote:I wish he would have started more games but they did get him through the season healthy and he is in the playoffs. Lets not overlook that. Could we have had more minutes of Otto and get him through. maybe..maybe not. Maybe the played it overly safe. Maybe they played is pretty damn close to how they should have. We don't know. What we do know is, he is in the playoffs and healthy. Thats a good thing. What he does here can end up mattering much more then the regular season.


I don't think health had any thing to do with Otto not getting minutes. I think it was simply a lack of vision on the part of Randy. Otto is 21 years old and, as far as I know, has not been injured since early last season when he had to sit out the first month or so. There didn't seem to be any need to limit his minutes to keep him healthy.

I'm glad to see Otto getting PT (kudos to Randy for that) and thrilled to see him contributing. But I can't help but think he'd be even further along if he had gotten consistent minutes throughout the season.


Otto has had very good tutelage. Ariza, Webster, Butler, and Pierce. Two years now of playoff experience. Porter is not yet 22 years old and is still in his second season.

He got off to a very slow start but right now seems to be on track to becoming a good player. Considering all he has experienced so far I would say he's been prepped well.

Consiglieri put it best in an another post. Otto Porter playing like the #3 pick is franchise-changing.
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Post#50 » by dckingsfan » Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:23 pm

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hands11 wrote:I wish he would have started more games but they did get him through the season healthy and he is in the playoffs. Lets not overlook that. Could we have had more minutes of Otto and get him through. maybe..maybe not. Maybe the played it overly safe. Maybe they played is pretty damn close to how they should have. We don't know. What we do know is, he is in the playoffs and healthy. Thats a good thing. What he does here can end up mattering much more then the regular season.


I don't think health had any thing to do with Otto not getting minutes. I think it was simply a lack of vision on the part of Randy. Otto is 21 years old and, as far as I know, has not been injured since early last season when he had to sit out the first month or so. There didn't seem to be any need to limit his minutes to keep him healthy.

I'm glad to see Otto getting PT (kudos to Randy for that) and thrilled to see him contributing. But I can't help but think he'd be even further along if he had gotten consistent minutes throughout the season.


I assume you mean for this year. Last year he was injured and frankly, not strong enough to play this year. That makes him really a rookie this year. I think it is a combination of learning how to play, getting the skills and strength to play in the L and Wittman. But it isn't all on Wittman, Otto had some stinky stretches.
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Re: Otto Porter Part 2 

Post#51 » by Induveca » Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:50 pm

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Induveca wrote:Beyond frustrated with this guy. Looks like he's riding the pine until summer league barring new injuries.

Far too passive/weak....he has that Vesley "deer In headlights" look the past few months as well.


Induveca wrote:Otto has been afforded plenty of opportunity. He's been especially atrocious his last 10 games, with the exception of one. He's averaged 22 minutes in those games with one deserved DNP-CD.

Let's just all pray there is a sucker in the league willing to take on Porter via a decent trade.

Porter reminds me a lot of Jae Crowder. Great college player, but overmatched at the next level.....his skills just don't translate when everyone is x% taller x% faster vs his Gtown days.

Maybe one day he'll become a decent bench player, Crowder is finally showing some competent bench play in Boston this past month.



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If he plays like he did last night consistenly, I assure you there will be no one more happy than I....I'm a Wizards fan for 20 years now! :) Loved his game last night, but ya gotta admit he has still given us plenty of reason to be cautious. :)
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Re: Otto Porter Part 2 

Post#52 » by queridiculo » Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:05 pm

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Wish I could watch how many times he made Demar chuck up a brick too.


Derozan went to the line twice if I recall, also very heady play drawing that charge late when the Raptors were clawing back into the game.
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Post#53 » by dobrojim » Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:15 pm

Otto has what seems to be an instinctive aptitude for the game. It's uncanny how often he is in the
right place at the right time. And while he might appear to be awkward, he can be effective.

So is his ceiling still Tayshon Prince? Could he in time become something more like pre-injury
Paul George?
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Post#54 » by tontoz » Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:16 pm

Funny thing is the guy Porter reminds me of a lot is Childress. Overall i didn't like Childress' game but the one thing he did well was move without the ball, constantly finding openings to get easy baskets inside. I see Porter doing this far better than most players. His court awareness is good for a few easy baskets each game, either for him or for someone else.

Childress couldn't play any D and couldn't score outside 5 feet. But Porter can shoot from deep and on the move and is showing signs of becoming a good defender.
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Post#55 » by fishercob » Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:35 pm

dobrojim wrote:Otto has what seems to be an instinctive aptitude for the game. It's uncanny how often he is in the
right place at the right time. And while he might appear to be awkward, he can be effective.

So is his ceiling still Tayshon Prince? Could he in time become something more like pre-injury
Paul George?


I think his ceiling is better than Ariza, worse than Kawhi. Prime Igoudala maybe? Luol Deng? Could he be as good as Draymond Green? Tough one. I think he could be better than Gordon Hayward, Batum, Chandler Parsons, and Joe Johnson when you account of defense, efficiency, usage, etc.

Obviously depends on him staying healthy, working hard, and continuing to improve.
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Post#56 » by dckingsfan » Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:47 pm

Maybe we should wait until next year for the ceiling predictions... I do hope he is the starter from Day 1 next year though - and 10 to 15 lbs of muscle by the same time next year please.
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Post#57 » by dobrojim » Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:00 pm

DCK - right to not make premature predictions. Hard to know what might happen.
As for being the starter, I'm not sure how much that matters as long as he is playing
solid rotation minutes ie 30 mpg +/- 5 min
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Re: Otto Porter Part 2 

Post#58 » by nate33 » Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:17 pm

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dobrojim wrote:Otto has what seems to be an instinctive aptitude for the game. It's uncanny how often he is in the
right place at the right time. And while he might appear to be awkward, he can be effective.

So is his ceiling still Tayshon Prince? Could he in time become something more like pre-injury
Paul George?


I think his ceiling is better than Ariza, worse than Kawhi. Prime Igoudala maybe? Luol Deng? Could he be as good as Draymond Green? Tough one. I think he could be better than Gordon Hayward, Batum, Chandler Parsons, and Joe Johnson when you account of defense, efficiency, usage, etc.

Obviously depends on him staying healthy, working hard, and continuing to improve.

He still reminds me of Tayshaun Prince more than anybody else.
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Post#59 » by nuposse04 » Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:26 pm

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dobrojim wrote:Otto has what seems to be an instinctive aptitude for the game. It's uncanny how often he is in the
right place at the right time. And while he might appear to be awkward, he can be effective.

So is his ceiling still Tayshon Prince? Could he in time become something more like pre-injury
Paul George?


I think his ceiling is better than Ariza, worse than Kawhi. Prime Igoudala maybe? Luol Deng? Could he be as good as Draymond Green? Tough one. I think he could be better than Gordon Hayward, Batum, Chandler Parsons, and Joe Johnson when you account of defense, efficiency, usage, etc.

Obviously depends on him staying healthy, working hard, and continuing to improve.


Gordan Hayward is better then everyone on our team except Wall, if he turned out better then him i'd b astonished to be honest. A better Ariz is my guess, we may be even to run offense through him in 2-3 seasons on a consistent basis. You still can't do that with Ariza, he's mostly an out on the break and catch and shoot guy.
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Post#60 » by fishercob » Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:31 pm

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fishercob wrote:
dobrojim wrote:Otto has what seems to be an instinctive aptitude for the game. It's uncanny how often he is in the
right place at the right time. And while he might appear to be awkward, he can be effective.

So is his ceiling still Tayshon Prince? Could he in time become something more like pre-injury
Paul George?


I think his ceiling is better than Ariza, worse than Kawhi. Prime Igoudala maybe? Luol Deng? Could he be as good as Draymond Green? Tough one. I think he could be better than Gordon Hayward, Batum, Chandler Parsons, and Joe Johnson when you account of defense, efficiency, usage, etc.

Obviously depends on him staying healthy, working hard, and continuing to improve.


Gordan Hayward is better then everyone on our team except Wall, if he turned out better then him i'd b astonished to be honest. A better Ariz is my guess, we may be even to run offense through him in 2-3 seasons on a consistent basis. You still can't do that with Ariza, he's mostly an out on the break and catch and shoot guy.


FWIW -- Hayward's career WS/48 is .106, which is about average.
Ariza .098
Iggy = .124
Kawhi = .185
Deng = .119

Otto's was .092 this year.

I know it's not a perfect stat, but the context is useful.
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