D'angelo Russell

nickforthreee · Post #321 » by **nickforthreee** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 5:57 am

MPrice25 wrote:Nah, it doesn't. You believe what you want, its wrong, but hey if it helps you sleep at night

MPrice25 wrote:you might want to actually use facts instead making personal attacks and looking as clueless as it gets. Wheres the logic to any part of your post? i sure as hell dont see any. Russell isn't going anywhere, move along

nickforthreee wrote:i cant wait to bump this when he declares lol

damn too bad MPrice25 got banned lmfao

SparksFly87 · Post #322 » by **SparksFly87** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:06 pm

Russell has more upside than Mudiay and any other guard in this draft. His ability to breakdown defenses , finish and defend has become very underrated . His athleticism is underrated as well .

wildvikeswolves · Post #323 » by **wildvikeswolves** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:14 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Russell has more upside than Mudiay and any other guard in this draft. His ability to breakdown defenses , finish and defend has become very underrated . His athleticism is underrated as well .

Yep. Despite the Wolves need for a big men, I wouldn't be that upset if we fell to 3 after the lottery and had Russell staring us in the face

King Ken · Post #324 » by **King Ken** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:31 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Russell has more upside than Mudiay and any other guard in this draft. His ability to breakdown defenses , finish and defend has become very underrated . His athleticism is underrated as well .

No he doesn't. Russell is far more of a system player than Mudiay and it's not even close. Mudiay is more like Rose/Westbrook to me as a prospect, not similar but they have ample talent and should develop anywhere under any coach.

reanimator · Post #325 » by **reanimator** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:46 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Russell has more upside than Mudiay and any other guard in this draft. His ability to breakdown defenses , finish and defend has become very underrated . His athleticism is underrated as well .

His inability to breakdown defenses and finish against the best defenses he played this year is probably his biggest criticism.

E-Balla · Post #326 » by **E-Balla** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:45 pm

reanimator wrote:
SparksFly87 wrote:Russell has more upside than Mudiay and any other guard in this draft. His ability to breakdown defenses , finish and defend has become very underrated . His athleticism is underrated as well .

His inability to breakdown defenses and finish against the best defenses he played this year is probably his biggest criticism.

He still averaged 21/5 per 40 on 52.6 TS against those teams and that's way better production than a lot of guys overall. I don't think he can get to the rim at a level needed from an NBA PG but it's hard to tell how much of that is because of the defensive attention he saw. Still I do think his athleticism is underrated. He's just as fast and quick as James Harden and he has no problem getting by people.

reanimator · Post #327 » by **reanimator** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:49 pm

E-Balla wrote:
reanimator wrote:
SparksFly87 wrote:Russell has more upside than Mudiay and any other guard in this draft. His ability to breakdown defenses , finish and defend has become very underrated . His athleticism is underrated as well .

His inability to breakdown defenses and finish against the best defenses he played this year is probably his biggest criticism.

He still averaged 21/5 per 40 on 52.6 TS against those teams and that's way better production than a lot of guys overall. I don't think he can get to the rim at a level needed from an NBA PG but it's hard to tell how much of that is because of the defensive attention he saw. Still I do think his athleticism is underrated. He's just as fast and quick as James Harden and he has no problem getting by people.

I think he can compensate. Doesn't have Harden's strength or Mudiay's upside, though.

SparksFly87 · Post #328 » by **SparksFly87** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:29 pm

reanimator wrote:
SparksFly87 wrote:Russell has more upside than Mudiay and any other guard in this draft. His ability to breakdown defenses , finish and defend has become very underrated . His athleticism is underrated as well .

His inability to breakdown defenses and finish against the best defenses he played this year is probably his biggest criticism.

What has Mudiay proven?

reanimator · Post #329 » by **reanimator** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:32 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:
reanimator wrote:
SparksFly87 wrote:Russell has more upside than Mudiay and any other guard in this draft. His ability to breakdown defenses , finish and defend has become very underrated . His athleticism is underrated as well .

His inability to breakdown defenses and finish against the best defenses he played this year is probably his biggest criticism.

What has Mudiay proven?

As much as anyone in this draft.

LloydFree · Post #330 » by **LloydFree** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:53 pm

reanimator wrote:
SparksFly87 wrote:Russell has more upside than Mudiay and any other guard in this draft. His ability to breakdown defenses , finish and defend has become very underrated . His athleticism is underrated as well .

His inability to breakdown defenses and finish against the best defenses he played this year is probably his biggest criticism.

He doesn't have to be a superior drive and kick PG to be successful. He could become one of the league's best Pick-and-roll PGs, with his skillset. There's more than one way to play.

Chuck Everett · Post #331 » by **Chuck Everett** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:30 pm

Russell is not a point guard on this level. He should be looked at a SG with playmaking ability. That's a much better use of his talents. You don't want him chasing around smaller guards on defense all game.

LloydFree · Post #332 » by **LloydFree** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:10 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:Russell is not a point guard on this level. He should be looked at a SG with playmaking ability. That's a much better use of his talents. You don't want him chasing around smaller guards on defense all game.

I agree for the most part. I think the team that drafts him, should use him at SG, at least early in his career, to get full use of his talent. But if he's used at PG, he will have to be used as a pnr facilitator and not as a 'drive and kick' PG.

Chuck Everett · Post #333 » by **Chuck Everett** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:37 pm

LloydFree wrote:
Chuck Everett wrote:Russell is not a point guard on this level. He should be looked at a SG with playmaking ability. That's a much better use of his talents. You don't want him chasing around smaller guards on defense all game.

I agree for the most part. I think the team that drafts him, should use him at SG, at least early in his career, to get full use of his talent. But if he's used at PG, he will have to be used as a pnr facilitator and not as a 'drive and kick' PG.

Also he has prolific scoring instincts. You want to let him use those abilities first IMO. He's my favorite player in the draft. Or at least the one who I think, whoa this dude could be special.

JustCame · Post #334 » by **JustCame** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:00 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:Russell is not a point guard on this level. He should be looked at a SG with playmaking ability. That's a much better use of his talents. You don't want him chasing around smaller guards on defense all game.

On the Knicks he would play next to Galloway, which is a perfect compliment.

AQuintus · Post #335 » by **AQuintus** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:22 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:Russell is not a point guard on this level. He should be looked at a SG with playmaking ability. That's a much better use of his talents. You don't want him chasing around smaller guards on defense all game.

He last measured out at 176 pounds. I'd rather have him chasing around Point guards than getting beat up all game by 2 guards.

SparksFly87 · Post #336 » by **SparksFly87** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:00 pm

AQuintus wrote:
Chuck Everett wrote:Russell is not a point guard on this level. He should be looked at a SG with playmaking ability. That's a much better use of his talents. You don't want him chasing around smaller guards on defense all game.

He last measured out at 176 pounds. I'd rather have him chasing around Point guards than getting beat up all game by 2 guards.

D'angelo Russell by his last game definitely weighted more than 176 . I think he will be plus 200 pounds when season starts.

PICKnPOP · Post #337 » by **PICKnPOP** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:32 pm

180 sounds about right. Personally, I hope he lands on the Lakers because he would look great next to clarkson. They can switch everything depending on match-ups.

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E-Balla · Post #338 » by **E-Balla** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:41 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:
AQuintus wrote:
Chuck Everett wrote:Russell is not a point guard on this level. He should be looked at a SG with playmaking ability. That's a much better use of his talents. You don't want him chasing around smaller guards on defense all game.

He last measured out at 176 pounds. I'd rather have him chasing around Point guards than getting beat up all game by 2 guards.

D'angelo Russell by his last game definitely weighted more than 176 . I think he will be plus 200 pounds when season starts.

He can't be more than 190. The guy has no shoulders.

DickGrayson · Post #339 » by **DickGrayson** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:55 pm

E-Balla wrote:
SparksFly87 wrote:
AQuintus wrote:
He last measured out at 176 pounds. I'd rather have him chasing around Point guards than getting beat up all game by 2 guards.

D'angelo Russell by his last game definitely weighted more than 176 . I think he will be plus 200 pounds when season starts.

He can't be more than 190. The guy has no shoulders.

Wouldn't even make that much of a difference if he did, deltoids aren't big muscles.

The biggest muscles are the gluteus maximus, latissimus dorsi and satorius.
so if Russell wanted to add more mass to his body, he would have to focus on his butt, back and thighs.
That's simply for mass gaining.

Strengthening and increasing the size of the deltoids/shoulders will make it easier to keep the players arms up for defense or to shoot the ball. Tone the triceps and biceps to increase the endurance for shooting. Appropriate exercises include triangle pushups, biceps curls, dips, tricep extensions and lateral raises. etc Not for gaining weight. The deltoid isn't a big muscle.

Chuck Everett · Post #340 » by **Chuck Everett** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:38 pm

AQuintus wrote:
Chuck Everett wrote:Russell is not a point guard on this level. He should be looked at a SG with playmaking ability. That's a much better use of his talents. You don't want him chasing around smaller guards on defense all game.

He last measured out at 176 pounds. I'd rather have him chasing around Point guards than getting beat up all game by 2 guards.

He's 19. He's not going to be 176 lbs forever.