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Post#961 » by Frank Lee » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:23 am

RunDogGun wrote:PJ could also play the four, so he shouldn't hinder Warren's progress. Also Warren's progress can still happen coming off the bench. We still don't even know if Granger is healthy enough to play, and if he does, he also may slide to the stretch four slot in a few rotations.

But we will see. It sure seems that Jeff relies on PJ often. Our play seemed worse when PJ came off the bench.



Stop it with PJ at the 4. Just because he's our most 'powerful' forward, doesn't mean he is one. And please, knock off the Granger sliding to the four.

Haven't we seen enough of gimmick line ups forced by lack of legitimate talent and a mishmashed roster???

We stand pat with this crew and the fans will go wayside even more... there is so little to look forward to as it is.

SSOL is dead and gone. Bury the tiny ball concept once and for all.
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Post#962 » by Saberestar » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:35 am

Roster changes are ahead for the Suns but Bledsoe never sounds like a candidate to be moved. The Suns talk with optimism about a Bledsoe-Knight pairing for next season to restore the type of attack they used two seasons ago with Bledsoe and Goran Dragic.

His plan to return to Phoenix sooner this year is an encouraging sign. After not being seen or heard from during last year's summer-long free agency standoff, Bledsoe said he would spend more offseason time in Phoenix this year to work with staff and teammates.
"I am going to be 10 times more dedicated," Bledsoe said.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /26334953/
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Post#963 » by thamadkant » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:36 am

Suns need to shake it up. Standing pat and risking another "ugly" season is not good for the fan base who are not accustomed to this much disarray. Missing the playoffs but having a cohesive team that looks good and appealing is "fine" as the team gets better, but having the team tread milling with no rising talent on the horizon is worst case scenario for next season.

The west is a much more competitive conference, Suns need to make moves and make plans based on the assumption that the west have 9 teams who can win 41+ games.
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Post#964 » by Mr-Al » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:38 am

Trade Bledsoe for a pick.


Draft D'Angelo Russell

Profit.
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Post#965 » by thamadkant » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:42 am

Another trade I dont mind...

Suns / Nuggets

Bledsoe for Pick 7 and Gallinari.
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Post#966 » by Mr-Al » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:10 am

1UPZ wrote:Another trade I dont mind...

Suns / Nuggets

Bledsoe for Pick 7 and Gallinari.



I like the idea, but I wish that 7th pick was higher, most of those really high upside guys will be gone

and Gallo looks like he's lost a lot after those injuries. He's had a couple great games, but I wouldn't want him, defensively he leaves a whole lot to be desired, especially now, and personally I much rather commit to Warren at SF than I would Gallo. I guess he can play PF a bit too, but I wouldn't want hi, there either
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Post#967 » by Saberestar » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:27 pm

1UPZ wrote:Another trade I dont mind...

Suns / Nuggets

Bledsoe for Pick 7 and Gallinari.

IF Gallinari is healthy and IF we can select Porzingis or Hezonja that would be a terrific trade. Those two rookies are the best european prospects by far and they can contribute a lot even in their first year ( they are like sophomore by their age, but they are playing professional basketball around three years already).
When ealthy, Gallinari is a tremedous shooter, he would be good here.
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Post#968 » by MathiasPW » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:57 pm

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Stop it with PJ at the 4. Just because he's our most 'powerful' forward, doesn't mean he is one. And please, knock off the Granger sliding to the four.

Haven't we seen enough of gimmick line ups forced by lack of legitimate talent and a mishmashed roster???

We stand pat with this crew and the fans will go wayside even more... there is so little to look forward to as it is.

SSOL is dead and gone. Bury the tiny ball concept once and for all.


Agree to the first part of the post. PJ can defend the 4, doesn't mean he can play the 4.

About the SSOL being dead, here is an interesting interview:

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/04/22/alvin-gentry-warriors-assistant-stephen-curry-steve-nash

The regular-season results speak for themselves. The Warriors ranked No. 1 in point differential, becoming just the eighth team in history to finish with a +10 or better. They ranked No. 2 in offensive efficiency (up from 12th last season), No. 1 in defensive efficiency (up from 3rd last season), No. 1 in pace, No. 1 in assists, No. 1 in field goal percentage, three-point percentage, effective field goal percentage and true shooting percentage, No. 1 in opponent field goal percentage and No. 1 in opponent effective field goal percentage


Nevertheless, playing at the league’s fastest pace has been central to the Warriors’ success on both ends, and it's what helps sets this squad apart from just about every team that has come before them
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Post#969 » by jcsunsfan » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:59 pm

Jimmy Butler would be a nice get in free agency. Not sure how it could be done.
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Post#970 » by saintEscaton » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:41 pm

This BrightSide article lays down the numbers explaining how the future cap increase will shake up the free agent market. THe premiere RFAs are expected to be extended to the MAX over this summer which is a bargain, so probably no sign and trades either. And us being an irrelevant destination should realistically temper our expectations of anyone coming here . Tbh I would be satisfied with shipping the Morrii before they devalue themselves any further. That alone would be addition by subtraction and improve the flow of our offense and possibly give minutes to the rookie PF we might draft http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/4/23/8479503/phoenix-suns-free-agency-will-gerald-green-come-back-after-all-thanks
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Post#971 » by bwgood77 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:14 pm

We will only have the mid level unless we make trades to clear cap space or renounce Wright and/or Knight, but if you do that, chase someone, and don't get them, and then lose your own, you're even worse off than when you started. If there is no upgrade likely to move in free agency, you don't want to clear cap space for nothing. Better to sign your own guys and then at least you have them as trade assets. I wonder what teams will go after Millsap. It's weird his name is rarely mentioned as he is unrestricted.
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Post#972 » by Saberestar » Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:47 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:Jimmy Butler would be a nice get in free agency. Not sure how it could be done.

Impossible. Butler and Leonard will sign the 5 year max with their teams or short contracts for the max to be a FA in 2017.
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Post#973 » by jcsunsfan » Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:24 pm

bwgood77 wrote:We will only have the mid level unless we make trades to clear cap space or renounce Wright and/or Knight, but if you do that, chase someone, and don't get them, and then lose your own, you're even worse off than when you started. If there is no upgrade likely to move in free agency, you don't want to clear cap space for nothing. Better to sign your own guys and then at least you have them as trade assets. I wonder what teams will go after Millsap. It's weird his name is rarely mentioned as he is unrestricted.


Suns will be at $43 million. The cap hold for Knight will be just less than $9 million. The cap hold for the 13th pick will be $1.7. If we go after a decent FA, I assume we would renounce Wright and Green since their cap holds will probably be higher than what we are willing to pay them anyway.

The cap should be around $67 million. That would leave the Suns a bout $13.3 million. I assume they could clear more space with trades etc if they want.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/PHO.html

I just don't see an attainable free agent that will be worth it for the Suns. I expect that if they make a big move this summer, a trade will be a big part of the move.
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Post#974 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:51 am

Out of the 4th year rookie targets.

Green, Leonard, Butler - Will get Max/Matched.
Monroe, Harris, Thompson, Knight, Kanter - Available at right price and/or S+T.
Jackson, Shumpert, Williams - Pass

I'm expecting some conbuilding moves. Something like Jeff Green at 9m over 4, to start ahead of TJ Warren.
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Post#975 » by RunDogGun » Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:06 am

Frank Lee wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:PJ could also play the four, so he shouldn't hinder Warren's progress. Also Warren's progress can still happen coming off the bench. We still don't even know if Granger is healthy enough to play, and if he does, he also may slide to the stretch four slot in a few rotations.

But we will see. It sure seems that Jeff relies on PJ often. Our play seemed worse when PJ came off the bench.



Stop it with PJ at the 4. Just because he's our most 'powerful' forward, doesn't mean he is one. And please, knock off the Granger sliding to the four.

Haven't we seen enough of gimmick line ups forced by lack of legitimate talent and a mishmashed roster???

We stand pat with this crew and the fans will go wayside even more... there is so little to look forward to as it is.

SSOL is dead and gone. Bury the tiny ball concept once and for all.


I thought you gave up being a fan of this team. :roll:

PJ can play the four, but my comment wasn't suggesting that is all he would play. Merely suggesting that both PJ and TJ could coexist without the first hindering the second. Maybe you could follow the conversation and put my comments in context before you get all butt hurt about them, and turn into many here, and create your own meaning to what was said. :banghead:

Fans by the wayside? Maybe it will be addition by subtraction? 8-)

I'm a bit shocked that the Madman and1 your post Frank, when he was the first to suggest Granger at the stretch four position. :o
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Post#976 » by Years90Suns » Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:47 am

You all are talking about adding or trading pieces, but I believe nothing of that matters if we do not have the right person to maximize the good and minomize the bad of our players.
If we keep the M&Ms, Bledsoe, Knight, Len or Green and we also keep Hornacek we are f*ck*d.
We need to do some trades, but we also need to figure out which style fits us more, or which style we want, and how are we going to get it.
If we keep the Morris, we need a coach who does not let them shoot as many times as they get the ball.
If we keep Green, we need a coach that gets him into the game, for example, during those periods of the game when nothing decisive is being played. Or, on the other hand, in the clutch moments.
If we keep Bledsoe we need a coach who gets the most out of him. The biggest effort on both sides. The biggest effort in every possesion. For that, he has to feel that what he does matters (which means we have enough quality to win an important amount of games) and other players are going to follow his effort.
If we keep Knight we need to know that the coach will teach him when and how to shoot, so he can increase percentages and he can minimize losses.

So we can talk all we want about players, but we need a good GM and a good coach that have a plan. As of now, we have no plans. We play the game the players want to play. They play some defense. They get easy shots on offense because of lack of effort to get better shots, or a more ellaborated offense.
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Post#977 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:07 pm

I'm going to post some random conbuilding players in the next 3 months, and laugh if we get any of them:

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Post#978 » by RunDogGun » Sun Apr 26, 2015 3:10 pm

Years90Suns wrote:You all are talking about adding or trading pieces, but I believe nothing of that matters if we do not have the right person to maximize the good and minomize the bad of our players.
If we keep the M&Ms, Bledsoe, Knight, Len or Green and we also keep Hornacek we are f*ck*d.
We need to do some trades, but we also need to figure out which style fits us more, or which style we want, and how are we going to get it.
If we keep the Morris, we need a coach who does not let them shoot as many times as they get the ball.
If we keep Green, we need a coach that gets him into the game, for example, during those periods of the game when nothing decisive is being played. Or, on the other hand, in the clutch moments.
If we keep Bledsoe we need a coach who gets the most out of him. The biggest effort on both sides. The biggest effort in every possesion. For that, he has to feel that what he does matters (which means we have enough quality to win an important amount of games) and other players are going to follow his effort.
If we keep Knight we need to know that the coach will teach him when and how to shoot, so he can increase percentages and he can minimize losses.

So we can talk all we want about players, but we need a good GM and a good coach that have a plan. As of now, we have no plans. We play the game the players want to play. They play some defense. They get easy shots on offense because of lack of effort to get better shots, or a more ellaborated offense.


Didn't we have all of those players sans Knight last year under the same coach and GM? And we won 48 games with those same players, and when both Bledsoe and Goran were playing,weren't we a 600 ball Club?

As for the twins, they are shooting more than last year. MkMo with three more shot attempts in five extra minutes, and McMo with less than two more in three extra minutes. I'm not sure that is enough to make claims about their attempts,especially considering that one started every game, and the other started a bunch.
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Post#979 » by GrantHill » Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:11 pm

I'd like to see us trading for Andre Iguodala. I believe that the Warriors will have to trade him once they max out Green since no one will take Lee off their hands. Iggy is a great wing defender, can defend multiple positions, run a fastbreak either as a running mate or by himself, adds ball handling and passing. Also he would bring a nice veteran presence and his contract (which expires in 2017) is relativley cheap.
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Post#980 » by Saberestar » Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:00 pm

GrantHill wrote:I'd like to see us trading for Andre Iguodala. I believe that the Warriors will have to trade him once they max out Green since no one will take Lee off their hands. Iggy is a great wing defender, can defend multiple positions, run a fastbreak either as a running mate or by himself, adds ball handling and passing. Also he would bring a nice veteran presence and his contract (which expires in 2017) is relativley cheap.


P.J. Tucket out? I think that they are too similar at this point of their careers. Iguodala is a better ball handler and better passer, but Tucker is a better rebounder and even shooter (incredible ) right now.

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