JLei wrote:PaulieWal wrote:GSP wrote:Id have to agree with this. I think Steph, Cp3 and Davis are def the top3 separated from the rest first 2 might even be a bit above Davis. Lebrons jumper is just completely gone, playmaking isnt as good. Hes has similar struggles as 11 and 12 Miami offensively (and his defense isnt on the level it was then) this is a big drop from the complete skillset he showed last season and 13
The bigger difference is that unlike 2012 he's not as willing to go into the post and seems more content playing on the perimeter even when his shot isn't falling. IIRC he was a horrible 17% or 20% outside the paint after game 6 against Boston lol but still dominated all those games.
His personal efficiency is down but they are still ripping off a 111 OTRG with him on the floor against the above average defenses 11th and 12th best defensive teams in the league. 11 and 12 Heat (until the 12 Finals when they unleashed Battier) never got to that level. And Bron is doing everything on O getting them to that 111 OTRG (and it's too much to be honest with the overhandling which is part of the personal efficiency drop).
Look at this.
http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/drives/
Bron by existing and driving to the basket/ posting up just sucks in the defense even if he isn't making the layups. And this doesn't include secondary assists which he has 9 of this playoffs, which given that Cleveland is good at swinging the ball would extend his big lead over everyone else in team offense.
You guys are way too caught up in personal efficiency instead of looking at the impact on the teams offense. Yes he can't shoot right now but still doesn't make him way less effective. Less effective sure but not the HUGE DECLINE you guys are talking about.
And his defense has been almost as good as 2011/2012 so far this playoffs. He's not been nearly good as he was in 13/14 when his jumper was on but he's still been a better offensive player than 11/12 Bron and a little bit worse defensive player.
The myth that he's been garbage this year on O needs to stop. He's different but only a little bit less effective than 13/14 Bron.
You have a habit of doing this sometimes where you will post in regards to LeBron and then lump every negative thing others are saying and post that in a reply to comments which don't really say all of those things.
For starters GSP and I think he's playing his way out of top 3 SO FAR, top 3 in the league so far which is hardly saying that he's been garbage on O this year. Secondly, I have mentioned it repeatedly that he had a great second half of the RS here. His 5 playoff games has been underwhelming by his standards. You can use team Ortg all you want but he clearly hasn't looked very impressive and it was against Boston. Let's not get carried away here. It's not just his personal efficiency but in the Boston series he did look like to be in a lot of chill mode before turning it on in the 4th.
He did have a bad game 1 against the Bulls and you can try to spin that anyway you want but it was a garbage game. Game 2 he was great again and I haven't seen anyone here bring up his efficiency for that game when you could see how great he was playing. That was clearly more like the post-vacation LeBron.
Again, no one has said half of things you are talking about in your post ITT.
I am sorry if I come off as rude in my response to you but your reply kinda caught me off-guard since he's still being heavily mentioned in this thread as a top 3-5 player. If you think he deserves to be higher than that, that's fine but that's no disrespect to him in a season where CP, Curry, Harden, and Davis have been arguably better when you look at the entire RS + playoffs which is what this thread is about.