Feschuk: Masai contemplating a step back next year, Lowry trade

MixxSRC · Post #101 » by **MixxSRC** » Thu May 14, 2015 1:12 am

UnderdogRaptors wrote:
UneducatedFan86 wrote:I only want Casey back, if it's because we have totally revamped this roster and Masai isn't sure that we will be successful next season. Then it's about saving money, instead of just simply signing a new coach to "tank" next year. But, if you want a year to tank, next season is a good one. There are some AMAZING young talents going into college next year.

Any names to look out for?

Thon Maker

Hendrix · Post #102 » by **Hendrix** » Thu May 14, 2015 1:12 am

artsncrafts wrote:No point in Trading Lowry as his stock is at an all time low, unless Masai can swindle

Is Lowry's stock at an all time low? He just made the all star game, is on a dirt cheap contract compared to what the new salary cap is going to be (equivalent of an $8 million/year contract), and was traded for some pretty mediocre assets the other 2 times he was traded.

Basketball_Jones · Post #103 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Thu May 14, 2015 1:14 am

Not that I'm against it, but he just wasted two years for first round treadmill crap like I predicted if he goes this route. In that case, I really would have almost no confidence in Masai knowing what he's doing at all.

Hendrix · Post #104 » by **Hendrix** » Thu May 14, 2015 1:16 am

MixxSRC wrote:
UnderdogRaptors wrote:
UneducatedFan86 wrote:I only want Casey back, if it's because we have totally revamped this roster and Masai isn't sure that we will be successful next season. Then it's about saving money, instead of just simply signing a new coach to "tank" next year. But, if you want a year to tank, next season is a good one. There are some AMAZING young talents going into college next year.

Any names to look out for?

Thon Maker

Fwiw, Thon hasn't looked that good, and he's dropped down to a fringe 1st/2nd rounder in the draftexpress 2016 mock draft. Hasn't really looked "amazing".

MixxSRC · Post #105 » by **MixxSRC** » Thu May 14, 2015 1:20 am

Hendrix wrote:
MixxSRC wrote:
UnderdogRaptors wrote:Any names to look out for?

Thon Maker

Fwiw, Thon hasn't looked that good, and he's dropped down to a fringe 1st/2nd rounder in the draftexpress 2016 mock draft. Hasn't really looked "amazing".

damn. wasn't aware.

akiman911 · Post #106 » by **akiman911** » Thu May 14, 2015 1:22 am

choomag wrote:My hope is that the Raptors be relevant in my lifetime.

I hope you're posting from a cozy womb someplace

carlosey · Post #107 » by **carlosey** » Thu May 14, 2015 2:39 am

Lowry has to go. As much as I hate Feschuk, he does make a point. When your star player after getting a massive pay shows up like this and then doesnt take any of the blame but puts it on the coach you know you have a problem.

Now can this city go through a massive tanking process for the next 3 years? Doubt it. People and media will be throwing a fit if we have a team in the bottom 5 by the time the all star game comes along.

Ahh the life of a raptor fan.

Raps in 4 · Post #108 » by **Raps in 4** » Thu May 14, 2015 3:02 am

C_Money wrote:We don't need to tank FFS. Just get a few bigs who can rebound, and get a legit SF to replace Ross and we're getting to the 2nd round next year.

We lack talent at all positions.

Lowry and Derozan were both absolutely dreadful for stretches of 2-3 months this season. We aren't going to get anywhere with our two "best" players playing like that.

sauga_raptor · Post #109 » by **sauga_raptor** » Thu May 14, 2015 3:12 am

This is definitely just an article comprised of his Radio interview with Masai last week. I think he doesn't really know which way he wants to go.... But man, The Newsman really knows how to stir some $hit around here lol

ForeverTFC · Post #110 » by **ForeverTFC** » Thu May 14, 2015 3:27 am

How can you justify keeping Casey by saying Masai was going to trade all the players away and that the roster was flawed to begin with? Guess what, he was also going to part ways with Casey! So if we are going back to tearing down the team, logic would follow that we would also replace the coach as was the plan, no?

Feschuk is basically saying that the 2 winning seasons are on Casey, but the playoff sweep and second half collapse is due to the roster? Garbage.

dagger · Post #111 » by **dagger** » Thu May 14, 2015 3:32 am

Feschuk was on the hockey beat until the day the Leafs played their last game. Then he was sent across the hall to do some Raptors coverage. Anyone dumb enough to think Masai actually talks to this guy deserves to be misled by him.

Dave Feshuk, YOU KNOW NOTHING!

CoachJReturns · Post #112 » by **CoachJReturns** » Thu May 14, 2015 3:33 am

The tank should have happened a long time ag. At this point it makes more sense to just go after Tobias and let the Knicks/Nuggets pick be our lottery pick. Trade Lowry as well and we should be pretty bad without having to do too much more. I'm not opposed to trading the entire starting lineup, but I don't see that happening.

Huss · Post #113 » by **Huss** » Thu May 14, 2015 3:51 am

Came back on here looking to find smart discussion on Raptors after playoff collapse.

Was extremely let down. What a joke of a thread this is.

RaptorsCity12 · Post #114 » by **RaptorsCity12** » Thu May 14, 2015 3:55 am

Why the **** would you tank after making 45+ win seasons back to back?

team edward · Post #115 » by **team edward** » Thu May 14, 2015 3:58 am

Double Helix wrote:Kyle's pride is keeping him from disclosing just how seriously his hand and back impacted him. He's not one to use injuries as excuses and it's turning everybody against him.

People are underestimating the relationship Lowry has with Demar and this team though. Demar is going to be a bridge between a lot of this BS and speculation and the healing that will need to happen afterward.

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The poor performance in the second half of the season and vs the Wiz boils down to Lowry **** the bed. If Lowry's problems begin and end at injury and fatigue, then the rampant speculation is overblown. Lowry heals, Masai retools around the edges, and we try again.

team edward · Post #116 » by **team edward** » Thu May 14, 2015 4:02 am

RaptorsCity12 wrote:Why the **** would you tank after making 45+ win seasons back to back?

Same reason people keep going back to an abusive relationship.

Ponchos · Post #117 » by **Ponchos** » Thu May 14, 2015 4:07 am

RaptorsCity12 wrote:Why the **** would you tank after making 45+ win seasons back to back?

Why try to build a real team when you can tread on the mill.

firelogic · Post #118 » by **firelogic** » Thu May 14, 2015 4:27 am

C_Money wrote:We don't need to tank FFS. Just get a few bigs who can rebound, and get a legit SF to replace Ross and we're getting to the 2nd round next year.

That's a really great plan. One question though. Where are they going to get those 3 legit bodies from? It's funny reading posts saying how they shouldn't tank and how they shouldn't trade derozan or lowry but at the same time they want great players added to the roster. The NBA doesn't work with magic wishes. People yell "Trade ROSS! TRADE ROSS!" but what exactly do you think you'll get back for him? You expect them to get a legit starting SF for the guy which is ludicrous. No one in the nba is going to give up a good player for Ross. If you trade Ross all you're getting back is the same kind of player. As sad as it is, the only assets the Raptors have are Derozan and Lowry, and again, trading them will only get players of similar value back so you're still at square one.

The only way to rebuild in the NBA is to tank and get lucky with draft picks. Don't believe me? The only time the Raptors were legit good was when they got Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady in the draft. You've seen what this team is like when they try to build through free agents and trades. It hasn't worked and it will never work in the future.

Tank it for a few seasons and hope to get lucky with great draft picks. Then cultivate your young talent and build something with potential to entice free agents. I honestly for the life of me can't understand why you people are so against tanking for a top pick. Do you really enjoy watching your team floundering every season? Do you really think it's worth it for them to go to the playoffs so they can play an extra 4 to 7 games? Then next year they're right back to being the mediocre team that they are?

Tanking isn't a guarantee and draft picks aren't a guarantee but it definitely has more potential than winning the division in the worst division in the worst conference in the league and getting ousted in the first round by LOWER seeded teams. They could have tanked 2 seasons ago and had a shot at Wiggins. Now Wiggins may be a bust but I sure as hell would have loved to have had him on the team for the mere chance at a bright future than be stuck with the mediocrity that Toronto chose to have instead all so they could get embarrassed by a 6 seed in 7 games and then trounced by a 5 seed in 4. Wow. They really made out great by not tanking.

Ponchos · Post #119 » by **Ponchos** » Thu May 14, 2015 4:34 am

firelogic wrote:
C_Money wrote:We don't need to tank FFS. Just get a few bigs who can rebound, and get a legit SF to replace Ross and we're getting to the 2nd round next year.

That's a really great plan. One question though. Where are they going to get those 3 legit bodies from? It's funny reading posts saying how they shouldn't tank and how they shouldn't trade derozan or lowry but at the same time they want great players added to the roster. The NBA doesn't work with magic wishes. People yell "Trade ROSS! TRADE ROSS!" but what exactly do you think you'll get back for him? You expect them to get a legit starting SF for the guy which is ludicrous. No one in the nba is going to give up a good player for Ross. If you trade Ross all you're getting back is the same kind of player. As sad as it is, the only assets the Raptors have are Derozan and Lowry, and again, trading them will only get players of similar value back so you're still at square one.

The only way to rebuild in the NBA is to tank and get lucky with draft picks. Don't believe me? The only time the Raptors were legit good was when they got Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady in the draft. You've seen what this team is like when they try to build through free agents and trades. It hasn't worked and it will never work in the future.

Tank it for a few seasons and hope to get lucky with great draft picks. Then cultivate your young talent and build something with potential to entice free agents. I honestly for the life of me can't understand why you people are so against tanking for a top pick. Do you really enjoy watching your team floundering every season? Do you really think it's worth it for them to go to the playoffs so they can play an extra 4 to 7 games? Then next year they're right back to being the mediocre team that they are?

Tanking isn't a guarantee and draft picks aren't a guarantee but it definitely has more potential than winning the division in the worst division in the worst conference in the league and getting ousted in the first round by LOWER seeded teams. They could have tanked 2 seasons ago and had a shot at Wiggins. Now Wiggins may be a bust but I sure as hell would have loved to have had him on the team for the mere chance at a bright future than be stuck with the mediocrity that Toronto chose to have instead all so they could get embarrassed by a 6 seed in 7 games and then trounced by a 5 seed in 4. Wow. They really made out great by not tanking.

I agree with most of what you said aside from the possibility of Wiggins being a bust. He might not be a superstar (I think he will) but he will never be a bust.

RaptorsFan100 · Post #120 » by **RaptorsFan100** » Thu May 14, 2015 4:46 am

Pussies