and that's the only way our team can get him.countryboi wrote:why would anyone want Matthews coming off a torn achilles anyway? You are signing this guy based off what he was not the player he is right now.
Wes Matthews?
Moderators: fatlever, JDR720, Diop, BigSlam, yosemiteben
Re: Re: Wes Matthews?
-
- Freshman
- Posts: 55
- And1: 6
- Joined: Jan 17, 2015
Re: Re: Wes Matthews?
Re: Wes Matthews?
- countryboi
- Head Coach
- Posts: 7,312
- And1: 1,459
- Joined: Jul 30, 2008
-
Re: Wes Matthews?
DY_nasty wrote:countryboi wrote:why would anyone want Matthews coming off a torn achilles anyway? You are signing this guy based off what he was not the player he is right now.
A torn achilles isn't a death sentence or anything.
tell that to Elton Brand
The Cut Podcast, An Hilarious barbershop style discussion podcast. Watch us on Youtube and listen to us on all major Podcast Platforms. https://linktr.ee/thecut_podcast
Re: Wes Matthews?
- catch20two
- RealGM
- Posts: 21,424
- And1: 4,666
- Joined: Nov 04, 2012
-
Re: Wes Matthews?
I would love to make a pitch at Wes Matthews and draft per se Myles Turner's upside. Before his injury he was prolly the prototypical SG for our team with his quick trigger 3pt shooting, good defense, and ability to create his own shot. I don't think the achilles injury will make him fall off a lot but you never know. I'd take a shot in the dull light at him.
They will wage war against the Lamb but the Lamb will triumph them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings - and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers." Revelation 17:14 (NIV)
Re: Wes Matthews?
-
- General Manager
- Posts: 9,369
- And1: 4,947
- Joined: Apr 14, 2010
Re: Wes Matthews?
countryboi wrote:DY_nasty wrote:countryboi wrote:why would anyone want Matthews coming off a torn achilles anyway? You are signing this guy based off what he was not the player he is right now.
A torn achilles isn't a death sentence or anything.
tell that to Elton Brand
seriously? elton is huge, had taken loads more punishment across his entire body through his career at that point as well
an achilles injury is several echelon's lower than a microfracture or ACL tear.
Re: Wes Matthews?
-
- Assistant Coach
- Posts: 4,025
- And1: 1,781
- Joined: Sep 22, 2001
- Location: Charlotte, NC
Re: Wes Matthews?
catch20two wrote:I would love to make a pitch at Wes Matthews and draft per se Myles Turner's upside. Before his injury he was prolly the prototypical SG for our team with his quick trigger 3pt shooting, good defense, and ability to create his own shot. I don't think the achilles injury will make him fall off a lot but you never know. I'd take a shot in the dull light at him.
If he were 19 ... maybe. But a guy turning 30 this fall isn't going to have the same kind of recovery. He will play, but he's never going to be the same. Like I said before he'll be 80% or maybe even 90% of the player he was before, but the injury will have a huge and lasting impact on him.
My picks:
2020 Draft (3rd pick) - Tyrese Haliburton, Devin Vassell, or Onyeka Okongwu
2021 Draft (11th pick) - Moses Moody
2020 Draft (3rd pick) - Tyrese Haliburton, Devin Vassell, or Onyeka Okongwu
2021 Draft (11th pick) - Moses Moody
Re: Wes Matthews?
- catch20two
- RealGM
- Posts: 21,424
- And1: 4,666
- Joined: Nov 04, 2012
-
Re: Wes Matthews?
Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:catch20two wrote:I would love to make a pitch at Wes Matthews and draft per se Myles Turner's upside. Before his injury he was prolly the prototypical SG for our team with his quick trigger 3pt shooting, good defense, and ability to create his own shot. I don't think the achilles injury will make him fall off a lot but you never know. I'd take a shot in the dull light at him.
If he were 19 ... maybe. But a guy turning 30 this fall isn't going to have the same kind of recovery. He will play, but he's never going to be the same. Like I said before he'll be 80% or maybe even 90% of the player he was before, but the injury will have a huge and lasting impact on him.
80% or maybe even 90% of the player Wes Matthews was before is better than 100% of the SGs we've had over the past 5 or more years.
They will wage war against the Lamb but the Lamb will triumph them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings - and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers." Revelation 17:14 (NIV)
Re: Wes Matthews?
- catch20two
- RealGM
- Posts: 21,424
- And1: 4,666
- Joined: Nov 04, 2012
-
Re: Wes Matthews?
I share the same fear tho that he might not recover from that injury quite well but it's not like he depended on athleticism and that's about the main thing a achilles injury would zap from a player. We seen how Jeff Taylor returned and was just as blah as he always been and still dunking and he's in his mid 20s.
They will wage war against the Lamb but the Lamb will triumph them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings - and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers." Revelation 17:14 (NIV)
Re: Wes Matthews?
- EwingSweatsALot
- Veteran
- Posts: 2,783
- And1: 919
- Joined: Jul 12, 2013
-
Re: Wes Matthews?
catch20two wrote:I would love to make a pitch at Wes Matthews and draft per se Myles Turner's upside. Before his injury he was prolly the prototypical SG for our team with his quick trigger 3pt shooting, good defense, and ability to create his own shot. I don't think the achilles injury will make him fall off a lot but you never know. I'd take a shot in the dull light at him.
I'm with you, if you have the money you take a shot. You don't pay him what he would have made, but you pay him in between that and what you would for a guy that can shoot 40%+ from three and be an above average defender.
There isn't a lot of data on it, but I just don't see the achilles affecting his shot.
Re: Wes Matthews?
-
- Rookie
- Posts: 1,103
- And1: 531
- Joined: May 23, 2015
-
Re: Wes Matthews?
if everyone opts in what money would we even have to put together an offer?
Re: Wes Matthews?
- yosemiteben
- Forum Mod - Hornets
- Posts: 22,241
- And1: 15,477
- Joined: Mar 20, 2013
-
Re: Wes Matthews?
driveandkick wrote:if everyone opts in what money would we even have to put together an offer?
None. I think we'd have negative money because of Biz's cap hold
Re: Wes Matthews?
- catch20two
- RealGM
- Posts: 21,424
- And1: 4,666
- Joined: Nov 04, 2012
-
Re: Wes Matthews?
yosemiteben wrote:driveandkick wrote:if everyone opts in what money would we even have to put together an offer?
None.
What happened to everyone believing Hendo would opt out not too long ago? I was hoping it would be true.
They will wage war against the Lamb but the Lamb will triumph them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings - and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers." Revelation 17:14 (NIV)
Re: Wes Matthews?
- yosemiteben
- Forum Mod - Hornets
- Posts: 22,241
- And1: 15,477
- Joined: Mar 20, 2013
-
Re: Wes Matthews?
catch20two wrote:yosemiteben wrote:driveandkick wrote:if everyone opts in what money would we even have to put together an offer?
None.
What happened to everyone believing Hendo would opt out not too long ago? I was hoping it would be true.
Oh I still think it is, he just asked what would happen if everyone opts in.
Re: Wes Matthews?
- HornetJail
- RealGM
- Posts: 46,440
- And1: 14,186
- Joined: Feb 05, 2012
-
Re: Wes Matthews?
I think he does opt out. My opinion hasn't changed since like December when he decided to show up.
investigate Adam Silver
Re: Wes Matthews?
- Eoghan
- RealGM
- Posts: 11,315
- And1: 3,293
- Joined: May 20, 2009
-
Re: Wes Matthews?
It's not like Wes was some great leaper before the injury. As long as he gets his lateral quicks back he should be fine.
Re: Re: Wes Matthews?
-
- Freshman
- Posts: 55
- And1: 6
- Joined: Jan 17, 2015
Re: Re: Wes Matthews?
catch20two wrote:yosemiteben wrote:driveandkick wrote:if everyone opts in what money would we even have to put together an offer?
None.
What happened to everyone believing Hendo would opt out not too long ago? I was hoping it would be true.
I think he should opt out for himself. He can be a solid rotation player for a contending team.
Re: Re: Wes Matthews?
-
- General Manager
- Posts: 9,369
- And1: 4,947
- Joined: Apr 14, 2010
Re: Re: Wes Matthews?
pellom wrote:catch20two wrote:yosemiteben wrote:None.
What happened to everyone believing Hendo would opt out not too long ago? I was hoping it would be true.
I think he should opt out for himself. He can be a solid rotation player for a contending team.
I think he'd be outstanding for OKC but everything about Henderson to date suggests he's out for the biggest paycheck he can find
Re: Re: Re: Wes Matthews?
-
- Freshman
- Posts: 55
- And1: 6
- Joined: Jan 17, 2015
Re: Re: Re: Wes Matthews?
DY_nasty wrote:pellom wrote:catch20two wrote:What happened to everyone believing Hendo would opt out not too long ago? I was hoping it would be true.
I think he should opt out for himself. He can be a solid rotation player for a contending team.
I think he'd be outstanding for OKC but everything about Henderson to date suggests he's out for the biggest paycheck he can find
And that's absolutely how he should be. It's all about the money.
Re: Re: Wes Matthews?
- catch20two
- RealGM
- Posts: 21,424
- And1: 4,666
- Joined: Nov 04, 2012
-
Re: Re: Wes Matthews?
pellom wrote:catch20two wrote:yosemiteben wrote:None.
What happened to everyone believing Hendo would opt out not too long ago? I was hoping it would be true.
I think he should opt out for himself. He can be a solid rotation player for a contending team.
I can only dream that he opt out. Ain't nobody paying Hendo more than we currently are. Lol
They will wage war against the Lamb but the Lamb will triumph them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings - and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers." Revelation 17:14 (NIV)