With the 4th pick in the NBA draft, the New York Knicks select...

mugzi · Post #181 » by **mugzi** » Mon May 25, 2015 3:09 pm

Governor Dudley wrote:4th pick
Calderon
Timmy

for

11th pick(Kaminsky)
George Hill
Ian Mahinmi
2016 first

Hill
Galloway
Melo
Kaminsky
Mahinmi

CHAMPIONSHIP

DrCoach · Post #182 » by **DrCoach** » Mon May 25, 2015 6:31 pm

DickGrayson wrote:Funny how guys ride Nerlens Noel to the ceiling but won't touch WCS with a 10FT pole.

Noels freshman PER was higher than any 3 yrs of WCS, plus they are the same age

Not saying that he isnt good, his perceived Upside isnt as high

Najeem27 · Post #183 » by **Najeem27** » Mon May 25, 2015 10:17 pm

I will take Mudiay or WCS. I don't know why people hate on wcs, he is very agile for a guy his size. I understand he has no offensive game but we don't need him for that. Tyson didn't have a offensive game either and won a ring with the mavs. Its all about how you build the team. WCS is more athletic than Tyson and has better defense, hopefully he doesn't have small p*ssy hands like him lol

mos_def · Post #184 » by **mos_def** » Mon May 25, 2015 11:45 pm

aliamri1017 wrote:I will take Mudiay or WCS. I don't know why people hate on wcs, he is very agile for a guy his size. I understand he has no offensive game but we don't need him for that. Tyson didn't have a offensive game either and won a ring with the mavs. Its all about how you build the team. WCS is more athletic than Tyson and has better defense, hopefully he doesn't have small p*ssy hands like him lol

Chandler didn't become good until he teamed with Chris Paul in NO and all he had to do was catch oops. then just had to worry about defense when he played with Dirk in his prime. Unfortunately, the current system does not call for such possibilities. I always go by the rule that if you pick in the top 5, you better draft the player that projects to score 20ppg.

Post #185 » by **moocow007** » Tue May 26, 2015 1:48 pm

DrCoach wrote:
DickGrayson wrote:Funny how guys ride Nerlens Noel to the ceiling but won't touch WCS with a 10FT pole.

Noels freshman PER was higher than any 3 yrs of WCS, plus they are the same age

Not saying that he isnt good, his perceived Upside isnt as high

From an NBA standpoint, I would put WCS higher. Noel was a college C. No way he can handle C in the NBA. C's are more valuable than PF's (which is what Noel is).

DrCoach · Post #186 » by **DrCoach** » Tue May 26, 2015 2:59 pm

moocow007 wrote:
DrCoach wrote:
DickGrayson wrote:Funny how guys ride Nerlens Noel to the ceiling but won't touch WCS with a 10FT pole.

Noels freshman PER was higher than any 3 yrs of WCS, plus they are the same age

Not saying that he isnt good, his perceived Upside isnt as high

From an NBA standpoint, I would put WCS higher. Noel was a college C. No way he can handle C in the NBA. C's are more valuable than PF's (which is what Noel is).

So is Anthony Davis, If we are talking equal prospects then Im ok with the tie going to Center.

WCS isnt as good as Noel IMO

Noel posted 10pts 8rebs 2stls and 2blks as a rookie with a 15.0 PER

captvict · Post #187 » by **captvict** » Tue May 26, 2015 3:43 pm

WCS are we kidding...Frank Kaminsky is far better...at least you get a big man who has a 41.6% 3 pt range and 8 Rebounds per.....say no to WCS

Post #188 » by **GONYK** » Tue May 26, 2015 3:45 pm

captvict wrote:WCS are we kidding...Frank Kaminsky is far better...at least you get a big man who has a 41.6% 3 pt range and 8 Rebounds per.....say no to WCS

Kaminsky is not in the same league defensively though, so it comes down to which side of the court you value more.

Neither player should be in the conversation at 4 though.

Post #189 » by **K_ick_God** » Tue May 26, 2015 3:52 pm

mugzi wrote:
Governor Dudley wrote:4th pick
Calderon
Timmy

for

11th pick(Kaminsky)
George Hill
Ian Mahinmi
2016 first

Hill
Galloway
Melo
Kaminsky
Mahinmi

CHAMPIONSHIP

That has to be a joke trade.

mos_def · Post #190 » by **mos_def** » Tue May 26, 2015 4:02 pm

captvict wrote:WCS are we kidding...Frank Kaminsky is far better...at least you get a big man who has a 41.6% 3 pt range and 8 Rebounds per.....say no to WCS

Great. Kaminsky is Troy Murphy or Josh McRoberts. That isnt much to get excited about

Post #191 » by **Capn'O** » Tue May 26, 2015 4:05 pm

D'Angelo Russell should be an option. I wouldn't at all be surprised if he fell.

AlphakirA · Post #192 » by **AlphakirA** » Tue May 26, 2015 4:20 pm

Capn'O wrote:D'Angelo Russell should be an option. I wouldn't at all be surprised if he fell.

Nor would I. All of these reports are just using one another as a source. Sixers have said they don't know who they want yet and last I checked there haven't been workouts yet. Fact is Mudiay is more likely to impress with his athleticism than Russell and at least on the surface will be a more exciting pick. Also, still don't know who Lakers are drafting. If Lakers take a guard do Sixers pass up another potentially great big?

Post #193 » by **Thorn** » Tue May 26, 2015 5:18 pm

AlphakirA wrote:
Capn'O wrote:D'Angelo Russell should be an option. I wouldn't at all be surprised if he fell.

Nor would I. All of these reports are just using one another as a source. Sixers have said they don't know who they want yet and last I checked there haven't been workouts yet. Fact is Mudiay is more likely to impress with his athleticism than Russell and at least on the surface will be a more exciting pick. Also, still don't know who Lakers are drafting. If Lakers take a guard do Sixers pass up another potentially great big?

He may be an option, it just did not seem likely at the time of the post based on all of the mock drafts available and what appeared to be the overall consensus.

Post #194 » by **moocow007** » Tue May 26, 2015 5:28 pm

DrCoach wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
DrCoach wrote:
Noels freshman PER was higher than any 3 yrs of WCS, plus they are the same age

Not saying that he isnt good, his perceived Upside isnt as high

From an NBA standpoint, I would put WCS higher. Noel was a college C. No way he can handle C in the NBA. C's are more valuable than PF's (which is what Noel is).

So is Anthony Davis, If we are talking equal prospects then Im ok with the tie going to Center.

WCS isnt as good as Noel IMO

Noel posted 10pts 8rebs 2stls and 2blks as a rookie with a 15.0 PER

Anthony Davis is just a little bit better than Noel wouldn't you say? Yes, if Noel was anywhere close to being Anthony Davis, then there's no reason to knock him at all. But he's not. So not really sure what Anthony Davis has to do with anything. WCS and Noel are closer to each other than either is to Anthony Davis.

Iron Mantis · Post #195 » by **Iron Mantis** » Tue May 26, 2015 5:37 pm

Capn'O wrote:D'Angelo Russell should be an option. I wouldn't at all be surprised if he fell.

Mudiay is getting snatched up at 3 so I'm pretty sure we're getting Russel.

Blockwatcher · Post #196 » by **Blockwatcher** » Tue May 26, 2015 5:39 pm

WCS will still be on the board at 10. Why take him at 4? Just to pay him extra and look stupid for not trading back?

Besart19 · Post #197 » by **Besart19** » Tue May 26, 2015 6:25 pm

What can we offer to Minny to trade up, so we can get what we really wanted (Towns, i guess)?!

Would they do a pick swap if we offer something good?! Any idea?!

Post #198 » by **GONYK** » Tue May 26, 2015 6:30 pm

Besart19 wrote:What can we offer to Minny to trade up, so we can get what we really wanted (Towns, i guess)?!

Would they do a pick swap if we offer something good?! Any idea?!

What is this "something good" that we have to offer?

Post #199 » by **mpharris36** » Tue May 26, 2015 6:36 pm

GONYK wrote:
Besart19 wrote:What can we offer to Minny to trade up, so we can get what we really wanted (Towns, i guess)?!

Would they do a pick swap if we offer something good?! Any idea?!

What is this "something good" that we have to offer?

i assume our only somewhat valuable assets would be THjr (just because he is on a rookie deal and has scoring potential) and 2018 pick.

I assume Minnesota would do that since they seem very high on Porzingis and they can bank on the knicks being bad in 2018.

But I wouldn't do that and I don't think Phil would. I don't think there is enough play seperation (even though I have Towns clearly ranked #1) to move our 2018 pick.

Post #200 » by **moocow007** » Tue May 26, 2015 6:37 pm

GONYK wrote:
Besart19 wrote:What can we offer to Minny to trade up, so we can get what we really wanted (Towns, i guess)?!

Would they do a pick swap if we offer something good?! Any idea?!

What is this "something good" that we have to offer?

We can send them the chicken and rice cart on 53rd and 6th? That's something good.