Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread

[Hawk Eye]

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nba/ ... -offseason?

Plumlee?

I think the only way Brooklyn trades Plumlee is if it's in a salary dump to off-load D-Will, Jack, or JJ.

Are you telling me you don't want joe back?

Are you telling me you want to see 7pts, 4 reb, 1 assists from a guy who plays for 36 minutes on the floor?

[Jamaaliver]

I think Teague is the easiest TRADE piece, but I dont really want to trade him for a 6-10 pick. Hes too valuable for a potential draft bust.

Justise Winslow, barring injury, is the next big star in this league. Jimmy Butler/Kawhi Leonard caliber player. Draft him, groom him, watch him become our best player in the next three years. I'd trade any and everyone for this kid. Once you identify a young player you like...go after him hard core.

Put this on the predictions list. I haven't been this sure about a kid since I predicted Damian Lillard would be a star so many years ago...

LMA, Love, and Gasol are not coming here. Hate to be the bear of bad news but id rather let you guys down easy now then y'all get your hopes up only to have them crushed.

Robin Lopez and Tyson Chandler are the rim protecters that I would make my strongest pitches at this off-season. I'd love to get either one of them. Rim protection should be our biggest priority this off-season.

IDK if this was an intentional typo...but this is now my new favorite saying and visualization.



Also, I never fully got the name of the movie until now. It's a wonderfully droll pun. and I love droll puns.

[PandaKidd]

I'm not sold on justice Winslow either as I only saw him play 2 games.

[Hawk Eye]

The only lotto player in this draft that I'm sold on as developing into a star is D'Angelo Russell.

Winslow, Johnson, Oubre, Hezonja, and Jefferson all have to have a lot of things go right in order to become a Kawhi/Butler like star wing player.

[PandaKidd]

Korver will have surgery tomorrow and be out 4-6 months. Ouch

[Goudelock]

The only lotto player in this draft that I'm sold on as developing into a star is D'Angelo Russell.

Winslow, Johnson, Oubre, Hezonja, and Jefferson all have to have a lot of things go right in order to become a Kawhi/Butler like star wing player.

I'm sold on (Place whoever the Lakers pick #2) being a superstar caliber player.

Seriously though, if you could trade Teague and the Hawk's first rounder for Denver's pick, you have to do it, right?

[Hawk Eye]

The only lotto player in this draft that I'm sold on as developing into a star is D'Angelo Russell.

Winslow, Johnson, Oubre, Hezonja, and Jefferson all have to have a lot of things go right in order to become a Kawhi/Butler like star wing player.

I'm sold on (Place whoever the Lakers pick #2) being a superstar caliber player.

Seriously though, if you could trade Teague and the Hawk's first rounder for Denver's pick, you have to do it, right?

Teague alone could get us a pick anywhere from the 6-10 range. Not enough to grab a prospect from tier 1 (Okafor, KAT, Russell, Mudaiy) but definitely enough to launch us into tier 2.

I think Willie Cauley Stein is the best rim protector in this draft and can develop into a DeAndre Jordan 2.0 kind of player.

I think Teague for #6 makes a lot of sense and we can draft WCS as our present/future rim protector big going forward. Sac would probably want to dump Landry on us though in the process.

[Disabled Sports]

Tyson Chandler May Solve The Frontline Size Issue For Hawks If Signed
Disclaimer: I have a disability called Cerebral Palsy so it may be hard to understand me
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm1ZE9gUCa0[/youtube]

[Goudelock]

The only lotto player in this draft that I'm sold on as developing into a star is D'Angelo Russell.

Winslow, Johnson, Oubre, Hezonja, and Jefferson all have to have a lot of things go right in order to become a Kawhi/Butler like star wing player.

I'm sold on (Place whoever the Lakers pick #2) being a superstar caliber player.

Seriously though, if you could trade Teague and the Hawk's first rounder for Denver's pick, you have to do it, right?

Teague alone could get us a pick anywhere from the 6-10 range. Not enough to grab a prospect from tier 1 (Okafor, KAT, Russell, Mudaiy) but definitely enough to launch us into tier 2.

I think Willie Cauley Stein is the best rim protector in this draft and can develop into a DeAndre Jordan 2.0 kind of player.

I think Teague for #6 makes a lot of sense and we can draft WCS as our present/future rim protector big going forward. Sac would probably want to dump Landry on us though in the process.

So Cauley-Stein is an athletic bigman who runs the floor, defends the rim, grabs rebounds, and is 7 feet tall? I'd trade Teague for that in a heartbeat. The Hawks would finally have a legit 7 footer to play at the 5.

UPDATE: So I found this video on youtube, and now I REALLY want the Hawks to get this guy

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk7PDMJyqhA[/youtube]

[Rip2137]

Kyrie Irving, Stephen Curry, Derrick Rose, John Wall, Mike Conley, Chris Paul, Jeff Teague.

7 of the last 8 teams in these playoffs did so with strong play from their all star caliber point guard.

Yes...big man is important. But as much as people are saying "Look at the bigs on the remaining teams." you guys are working hard to ignore the importance of the Point here.

Dennis Schroder is no where near anyone else on this list. And unless we are getting a hardenesqe 2 that can control the ball when needed, we would take a MAJOR step back moving Teague for a big. Schroder...we can get another backup point. But making the team worse is not really a smart move.

I'm going to take it even further, the dismal play of Schroder has hurt us more than anything in these playoffs. We get regular Dennis and we close out the Nets in 4, Wizards in 5 and we win game 1 and 3 of this series. His bad play brought down the bench play as a whole as the same players were effective with Teague.

I dont see how seeing this makes people think we would be anything but alot worse with him as the full time starter.

[PandaKidd]

So, my initial thoughts:
Great season. Severely overachieved and blew everyone away with what they were able to do this year. So proud of them. Winning at Title, it takes toughness and time. It takes defeat, it builds character.

Offseason Moves:
I am of the mindset that our starting 5 is not good enough to compete with CLE who will only get better (with the rest of the east). We have no answers for their front court and LBJ. We couldnt beat them while they were missing 3 key pieces in KI Love and AV. Our bench was terrible for almost the entire playoffs.

Ill start with the Bench:
Id let Pero walk along with Brand, their positions arent needed and need to be upgraded. We need to get younger. Mike Muscala is your backup PF now, he is in the rotation. We need to fill out Pero/Brand positions hopefully with Tavares, or, a FA.

Goodbye Jenkins.

Goodbye Mike Scott.

Id Keep Bazemore for another year, DS , Moose, Mack, Thabo,

Starters:
Teague - Trade bait, Id see what we can get for him , doesnt hurt.
DMC- I firmly believe he is gone. Hes going to get PAID.
Korver- Plan should be to move him to the Bench, 35, coming off major surgery, his minutes need to start being transitioned.
Millsap- depends on $ and if we get a Center
AH- Extend.

So I look at it right now as if we should HARD PITCH a starting Center and play him with AH. I believe in trading Teague FOR an upgrade at SF/SG if we can get there. That would be contingent on signing a vet PG to start and tutor DS. If we keep teague, I believe we will be looking at filling out 3 Starting positions next year. I do not think Korver will start, I do not think DMC will be back, and I dont think we will give 15-20 million a year to Millsap.

The Hawks System CAN WORK, but you have to have rebounding. We just didnt have that this year and it destroyed us. Theres only 1 way to fix that, and its not with PM and AH starting together.

[dms269]

Tyson Chandler May Solve The Frontline Size Issue For Hawks If Signed
Disclaimer: I have a disability called Cerebral Palsy so it may be hard to understand me
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm1ZE9gUCa0[/youtube]

I'd like Chandler. He isn't a stretch big like Bud would want but he can be that big body inside who can contest shots and be a rebounder. Age is a concern but he can be a nice addition.

[PandaKidd]

Front Office Los whos really good at cap numbers and stuff, his recommendations:
#1 Target is a Shooting Guard/SF
-Wesley Matthews
-Iman Shumpert

#2 DMC
-Only worth 5-6 million a year tops, anymore than that, let him walk.
-Al Farouq Aminu

His number 1 feeling is that despite being in love with DS, they had calls last year from Sac Town who wanted him, and that the Hawks could make a play for the #6 pick with DS so they can draft WCS. Or they could give up Teague. In his opinion ONE of the PGs have to go. If you believe in DS , then its Teague, if you think Teague has plateued, now is the time to move him.

Not saying I agree with it, but interesting points. He absolutely 100% advocates for resigning PM and getting BENCH big men to rotate through.

[Rip2137]

I love demarre but he is going to get over paid. We can move Thabo to the starting lineup and not lose much there. I would being in Alan Anderson as the backup and i think we are okay.

My love for Wesley Matthews is well known now as I wanted to trade Korver for him.

If we don't overpay Carroll we have a ton if money to upgrade. I still think Schroder is the one to move. Package him with the 15 and some team will jump.

[atlantabbq99]

Kawhi Leonard or Marc Gasol.

Should the Hawks???

I'm not in favor in signing anybody to max contract, but realistically, with Coach Budz, all the young talent, and all the good contract the Hawks have, the Hawks have a legit shot at contending or winning multiple championships in the next 5 years.

Horford is 28 years old and won't be anywhere near a decline until he is 33 or 34.

Should the Hawks go for it and make a "win it now" move or moves???

The Hawks have to make a decision about Millsap and Carroll. Both guys are fan favorites, but if the Hawks can get a up grade or even just a slight up grade at any position, it could thrust them into multiple Finals appearances.

As for Teague, he is a big part of the offense and defense, but with his contract, he is easily moveable. Teague grew up as a Hawk and it would be hard to see him in another uniform, but if a good deal could bet got, then maybe that is something the Hawks should consider.

Coach Budz raised Kawhi Leonard, so the Hawks have a connection with Kawhi in that way, and the Hawks need a SF/SG. Kawhi will never contend for an MVP, but he is elite enough to be a franchise player, especially if you pair him with a perennial all star like Horford. A big three of Horford, Kawhi, and Schroder, in Buds' system could be elite enough to win a championship.

The Hawks need a center. Horford should move to power forward. Hawks fans have been hearing this for the last decade and Marc Gasol is the best center hitting free agency, so logically Marc Gasol should come up in conversation when talking about the Hawks in the off season. I have noticed that Budz looks for three things in all his players, defense, shooting, and ability to run. Only a few centers in the NBA can fit into Budz system, Duncan, Anthony Davis, Bosh, Al Horford, and Marc Gasol. Marc is a legit 7 footer who can shoot, run, and play defense. Having Marc at center and Horford at power forward could give the Hawks the best front court duo in the NBA and also make them elite enough to win a championship.

Here are some other free agents who could improve the Hawks:

LaMarcus Aldridge - stretch 7 footer who fits in what the Hawks like to do on offense.

Jimmy Butler - probably won't leave Chicago, but his skill set is identical to Kawhi.

Greg Monroe - He is bigger than Millsap, but talent wise, they are probably the same. Might not be a big improvement, or just a lateral move.

Monta Ellis - a season or two ago, it was Rumored that coach Budz has man crush on Monta's game. Most of us don't like Monta as a player, but Budz seems to think he would thrive in his offense and who are we to argue with coach Budz.

I'm not saying the Hawks will get a free agents, what i'm asking is, should the Hawks go after a top five free agent???

For me, if Gasol or Kawhi says yes, then it would be worth letting Millsap and/or Carroll go.

[Goudelock]

What's going to happen with John Jenkins? Is he going to be cut or traded?

BTW, why didn't he play more? They could've used his scoring off of the bench; JJ's basically a mini-Korver.

[PandaKidd]

Jenkins we declined his option he becomes an UFA iirc

[PandaKidd]

There's an off season thread

[Jamaaliver]

What's going to happen with John Jenkins? Is he going to be cut or traded?

BTW, why didn't he play more? They could've used his scoring off of the bench; JJ's basically a mini-Korver.

Boggles the mind how effective he has looked in limited minutes yet no burn.

Considering we couldn't score or shoot a lick, Bud must really hate his guts to keep him glued to the bench at seemingly all costs.

[PandaKidd]

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-p ... t-to-east/


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