With the 4th pick in the NBA draft, the New York Knicks select...

[mpharris36]

What can we offer to Minny to trade up, so we can get what we really wanted (Towns, i guess)?!

Would they do a pick swap if we offer something good?! Any idea?!

What is this "something good" that we have to offer?

We can send them the chicken and rice cart on 53rd and 6th? That's something good.

didn't walsh trade that away already?

[Marty McFly]

What can we offer to Minny to trade up, so we can get what we really wanted (Towns, i guess)?!

Would they do a pick swap if we offer something good?! Any idea?!

the only thing that works in theory would be including the lakers and melo into the conversation. something like melo to la, the 2nd pick and randle to Minnesota and the first pick to the knicks.

[DrCoach]

From an NBA standpoint, I would put WCS higher. Noel was a college C. No way he can handle C in the NBA. C's are more valuable than PF's (which is what Noel is).

So is Anthony Davis, If we are talking equal prospects then Im ok with the tie going to Center.

WCS isnt as good as Noel IMO

Noel posted 10pts 8rebs 2stls and 2blks as a rookie with a 15.0 PER

Anthony Davis is just a little bit better than Noel wouldn't you say? Yes, if Noel was anywhere close to being Anthony Davis, then there's no reason to knock him at all. But he's not. So not really sure what Anthony Davis has to do with anything. WCS and Noel are closer to each other than either is to Anthony Davis.

I just used the best young big in the game as a reference who is a PF and is a product of the same school system

[FemaleDogPlease]

D'Angelo Russell should be an option. I wouldn't at all be surprised if he fell.

Mudiay is getting snatched up at 3 so I'm pretty sure we're getting Russel.

I think Sixer's may put a higher value on Russell's shooting since they lack shooter in the team. Russell might help their spacing earlier on.

[yaboynyp]

Funny how guys ride Nerlens Noel to the ceiling but won't touch WCS with a 10FT pole.

Noels freshman PER was higher than any 3 yrs of WCS, plus they are the same age

Not saying that he isnt good, his perceived Upside isnt as high

Keep in mind he (Noel) has already had 2 knee surgeries also..

[DrCoach]

Funny how guys ride Nerlens Noel to the ceiling but won't touch WCS with a 10FT pole.

Noels freshman PER was higher than any 3 yrs of WCS, plus they are the same age

Not saying that he isnt good, his perceived Upside isnt as high

Keep in mind he (Noel) has already had 2 knee surgeries also..

Good point, Davis hasnt been healthy either.

[isiah_thomas]

EM should be the pick, but i'll take Russell if he falls

[Governor Dudley]

Porzingis at 4

[Nazrmohamed]

I will take Mudiay or WCS. I don't know why people hate on wcs, he is very agile for a guy his size. I understand he has no offensive game but we don't need him for that. Tyson didn't have a offensive game either and won a ring with the mavs. Its all about how you build the team. WCS is more athletic than Tyson and has better defense, hopefully he doesn't have small p*ssy hands like him lol

Chandler didn't become good until he teamed with Chris Paul in NO and all he had to do was catch oops. then just had to worry about defense when he played with Dirk in his prime. Unfortunately, the current system does not call for such possibilities. I always go by the rule that if you pick in the top 5, you better draft the player that projects to score 20ppg.

And that's not to say those skills still aren't valuable. One doesn't have to hate WCS to believe that it's be best to....In your analogy.......try to find your Dirk before settling for Tyson. That's not being a hater that's just good business sense with this high a pick. The phrase go-to must be associated with a pick this high in my opinion.

Also, what's the antithesis of potential? Nba readiness right? Well often since Stein is three years in and didn't have the ceiling of Towns and some other prospects, I think people assume then he must be nba ready. I don't think that's the case. I think he'll have just a hard time as everyone else except the difference is his ceiling is lower. The guy weighs 240 at C. Who is he pushing off the block. This is why people keep saying he could play PF which is an option but then again he can't score. So its not gonna be easy. He'll develop possibly faster but that's cuz he's already older and doesn't have far to reach. Hustle and board, that's it.
We wouldn't tolerate just that from KAT for example. We'd be waiting for much more.

So all these, we need a defensive C so let's grab WCS. I'm not against that, but it's a long term shift not like he's gonna solve our defense great one.

[mos_def]

I will take Mudiay or WCS. I don't know why people hate on wcs, he is very agile for a guy his size. I understand he has no offensive game but we don't need him for that. Tyson didn't have a offensive game either and won a ring with the mavs. Its all about how you build the team. WCS is more athletic than Tyson and has better defense, hopefully he doesn't have small p*ssy hands like him lol

Chandler didn't become good until he teamed with Chris Paul in NO and all he had to do was catch oops. then just had to worry about defense when he played with Dirk in his prime. Unfortunately, the current system does not call for such possibilities. I always go by the rule that if you pick in the top 5, you better draft the player that projects to score 20ppg.

And that's not to say those skills still aren't valuable. One doesn't have to hate WCS to believe that it's be best to....In your analogy.......try to find your Dirk before settling for Tyson. That's not being a hater that's just good business sense with this high a pick. The phrase go-to must be associated with a pick this high in my opinion.

Also, what's the antithesis of potential? Nba readiness right? Well often since Stein is three years in and didn't have the ceiling of Towns and some other prospects, I think people assume then he must be nba ready. I don't think that's the case. I think he'll have just a hard time as everyone else except the difference is his ceiling is lower. The guy weighs 240 at C. Who is he pushing off the block. This is why people keep saying he could play PF which is an option but then again he can't score. So its not gonna be easy. He'll develop possibly faster but that's cuz he's already older and doesn't have far to reach. Hustle and board, that's it.
We wouldn't tolerate just that from KAT for example. We'd be waiting for much more.

So all these, we need a defensive C so let's grab WCS. I'm not against that, but it's a long term shift not like he's gonna solve our defense great one.

I wasnt knocking WCS. I was just saying it took Chandler awhile to become where he was respectable and maybe the current fanbase might not be that patient. I agree with you that if you miss out on the superstar you should draft a person with a defined skill. Wings should be able to shoot and bigs rebound/block shots. Chasing pure athletes in how teams usually miss on players. To be honest, I probably would take WCS since Mudiay's shooting ratings are less than stellar

[dienasty7]

Im telling you guys, this guy is gonna be nasty
I myself was a big doubter on selecting a Eurpoean player with our lottery pick, but this guys athleticsm and shooting ability is a sure thing. A 6'8 SG who can SOAR, defend, and shoot is perfect for our triangle and the knicks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WngADYTj-U

PLus we can still get this guy if we trade the kings our pick (theyre looking for a elite potential PG) for collison and their 6th

[newyorker4ever]

Im telling you guys, this guy is gonna be nasty
I myself was a big doubter on selecting a Eurpoean player with our lottery pick, but this guys athleticsm and shooting ability is a sure thing. A 6'8 SG who can SOAR, defend, and shoot is perfect for our triangle and the knicks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WngADYTj-U

PLus we can still get this guy if we trade the kings our pick (theyre looking for a elite potential PG) for collison and their 6th

I'm pretty sure everyone knows how good the kid has the chance of being and he's definitely gonna be a top 10 pick but taking him over Mudiay, Winslow and porzingis is the problem and i heard he also needs to be bought out from his euro team as well.

[AlphakirA]

A 6'8 athlete guy that can soar, defend and shoot with an insane amount of potential?! Kind of sounds a bit like Gerald Green...no? This draft has me nervous they're going to go full Jordan Hill or Renaldo Balkman and flub it.

[newyorker4ever]

A 6'8 athlete guy that can soar, defend and shoot with an insane amount of potential?! Kind of sounds a bit like Gerald Green...no? This draft has me nervous they're going to go full Jordan Hill or Renaldo Balkman and flub it.

Way to have any faith at all.

[AlphakirA]

A 6'8 athlete guy that can soar, defend and shoot with an insane amount of potential?! Kind of sounds a bit like Gerald Green...no? This draft has me nervous they're going to go full Jordan Hill or Renaldo Balkman and flub it.

Way to have any faith at all.

I'm just being realistic. Look at any draft in any year and 50-55 of the 60 picks turn out to be either complete busts, never play in the NBA, or at best role players. We can't rely on the draft to build this team, and guys that are 'athletic' as the main reason for potential usually turn out to be busts. At one point there was actual discussion between whether Tyrus Thomas or Aldridge would become a better player. Chris Grant drafted Anthony Bennett "because he can shoot the ball and is athletic". The worst thing this team can afford to do is draft someone solely because they are athletic or have size. We need pure talent.

[Iron Mantis]

D'Angelo Russell should be an option. I wouldn't at all be surprised if he fell.

Mudiay is getting snatched up at 3 so I'm pretty sure we're getting Russel.

I think Sixer's may put a higher value on Russell's shooting since they lack shooter in the team. Russell might help their spacing earlier on.

The Sixers gm is a psycho on a mission. He will draft Mudiay, based on his upside, hoping he's a generational player. After watching him play, then sifting through his arcane advanced analytical stuff, he will let him either quickly become a superstar or dump him for a first and tank again.

[Worst_to_First]

Mudiay is getting snatched up at 3 so I'm pretty sure we're getting Russel.

I think Sixer's may put a higher value on Russell's shooting since they lack shooter in the team. Russell might help their spacing earlier on.

The Sixers gm is a psycho on a mission. He will draft Mudiay, based on his upside, hoping he's a generational player. After watching him play, then sifting through his arcane advanced analytical stuff, he will let him either quickly become a superstar or dump him for a first and tank again.

[Iron Mantis]

I think Sixer's may put a higher value on Russell's shooting since they lack shooter in the team. Russell might help their spacing earlier on.

The Sixers gm is a psycho on a mission. He will draft Mudiay, based on his upside, hoping he's a generational player. After watching him play, then sifting through his arcane advanced analytical stuff, he will let him either quickly become a superstar or dump him for a first and tank again.

You heard it here first. Remember this post.

[lawndart]

Phil's draft board
1. KAT
2. Winslow
3. Hezonja

[Thorn]

What can we offer to Minny to trade up, so we can get what we really wanted (Towns, i guess)?!

Would they do a pick swap if we offer something good?! Any idea?!

the only thing that works in theory would be including the lakers and melo into the conversation. something like melo to la, the 2nd pick and randle to Minnesota and the first pick to the knicks.

This is what we need to be doing right now however, lining up aggressive moves to land a top 3 pick in this draft and then build around them... multi-team deals are required and we should be working the phones aggressively as soon as we can... before that I would have my war room in full swing lining up plan a-z and I would be tracking movement as soon as the action (trades and free agency start) knocking them off the board as the chips fall into place.

When I say aggressive I mean extremely aggressive, we swing for the fences on this one.

It is time.