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Re: Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread 

Post#101 » by atlantabbq99 » Fri May 29, 2015 1:21 pm

MaceCase wrote:So.........anyone interested in D-Wade? Appears there's some trouble in paradise down in South Beach over some money. Don't know if Wade is trying to recoup a higher annual amount (he won't get it) or just wants longterm security. Could be that go to scorer the Hawks need while the depth would allow him to sit those 20 or so odd games he requires for maintenance without the team missing a beat.

I'm spit balling and not entirely serious, of course> A deal for him would have serious buyers remorse all over it considering his age, reliance on athleticism and a knee without any meniscus or cartilage in it. Would only make sense if the belief is that the championship window is quickly closing.


He could be a good plan C if Gasol or Kwahi won't give the time of day. Budz could keep him healthy and he has enough star power to put in a show down against Lebron in the ECF, with quality teammates around him.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread 

Post#102 » by Jamaaliver » Fri May 29, 2015 3:43 pm

Here's some of the questions [the Hawks] must address during the offseason:
  • FREE AGENCY: The primary goal is keeping what they already have. Paul Millsap and DeMarre Carroll turned out to be huge bargains after signing with Atlanta in 2013...and [Budenholzer] made it clear he wants both players back. Atlanta should have plenty of money under the projected $67.1 million cap to re-sign Millsap and Carroll. The Hawks have 10 players under contract for next season at around $41.3 million.
  • FRONT OFFICE: It's unclear who is going to be running this team once the new ownership group led by Antony Ressler is approved by the NBA. Its first priority will be settling the fate of general manager Danny Ferry. Budenholzer has been in charge of player personnel during Ferry's absence and could take over that role permanently, with assistant general manager Wes Wilcox continuing to serve as his very able right-hand man.
  • BULKING UP: One of the worst rebounding teams in the league during the regular season, Atlanta was thoroughly dominated on the boards in the conference final. The Cavaliers outrebounded the Hawks 208-157 over the four games and doubled up Atlanta on the offensive glass, 55-27. But Budenholzer has no plans to shake things up in the front court, saying he prefers Al Horford at center and Millsap at power forward even though both are a bit undersized
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Re: Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread 

Post#103 » by PandaKidd » Fri May 29, 2015 4:16 pm

He said that yesterday, that hes still in favor of this lineup. I think Korver is going to the bench, and they will explore trade options with Teague/DS and try to get a SG upgrade.

If the Bench was
DS
Korver
Thabo/Bazemore
Tavares
Muscala

Not terrible IF Tavares can rebound and IF mike muscala can produce. That is not a great SCORING bench but it works. It could work.

Starting 5 again needs to be improved, I think all signs are they want to resign Millsap no matter what and are willing to find another DMC somewhere else , maybe even start Thabo (but he is injury prone).

Lots of local radio guys are advocating moving PM to the SF position, AF to the 4, Monroe or someone at C, upgrade at SG and run DS at Point (mack as backup).

I do not think Millsap can guard any SFs ..............
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Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread 

Post#104 » by ATL Boy » Fri May 29, 2015 4:28 pm

Yea moving Millsap to SF full time is a terrible idea. After Carroll went down in game 1 and we put Sap on Lebron out on the perimeter, Paul did not look comfortable and made a lot of mistakes trying to pressure him out there.

I do think he could manage himself in limited minutes at SF however. Which is why i think it'd be best to bring him off the bench if we signed a legit top of the line C.


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Re: Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread 

Post#105 » by PandaKidd » Fri May 29, 2015 4:32 pm

18-20 million for a SF off the bench?

I think what you could do is do a rotation with Millsap/AH/cheap Center. Maybe on some nights Millsap Starts, on others he plays 30-35 minutes and comes off the bench.

Thats kind of what CLE does with MozGov, if they need him hes the starter, if not, they rotate him out and go small. But that means we arent signing a big name FA, it would be like a robin Lopez or maybe a Brook Lopez on a 1 year STAY HEALTHY deal.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread 

Post#106 » by Hawk Eye » Fri May 29, 2015 4:38 pm

There are just no good go-to wing scoring players in this free agency class.

Jimmy Butler- restricted
Kawhi Leonard- restricted
Tobias Harris- not better than DeMarre

There are still some others with player options and team options (Jeff Green, Luol Deng, etc.)

I'm not seeing a big difference maker though in this class for us.

And for all the Wes Matthews love as of late, I think I read an article recently where he made an appearance on sports nation and they point blank asked him "Do you think you will be back in Portland next season?" And he said no. Not sure what to take of that but I have some serious concerns with paying him big money after coming off a severe injury. I'm just not sure if he is going to return the same.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread 

Post#107 » by Jamaaliver » Fri May 29, 2015 4:41 pm

^Agree with both of you:

Millsap at SF is a waste and just a bad idea full time.

Millsap getting a pay raise to come off the bench is a waste of money and a bad idea. He wouldn't come back as a reserve.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread 

Post#108 » by Jamaaliver » Fri May 29, 2015 4:45 pm

PMOTT3 wrote:There are just no good go-to wing scoring players in this free agency class.

I'm not seeing a big difference maker though in this class for us...


Correct. The best scoring wings to be found this summer are in the draft!!!

Stan Johnson, Justise Winslow, Mario Hezonja

Wes Mathews is gonna be cheap. Get him on a 2 yr contract and make the 2nd year a team option. $10 million a piece.

Both sides are protected.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread 

Post#109 » by Jamaaliver » Fri May 29, 2015 5:36 pm

MaceCase wrote:So.........anyone interested in D-Wade? Appears there's some trouble in paradise down in South Beach over some money. Don't know if Wade is trying to recoup a higher annual amount (he won't get it) or just wants long term security. Could be that go to scorer the Hawks need while the depth would allow him to sit those 20 or so odd games he requires for maintenance without the team missing a beat...


I think it'd be brilliant. A perfect fit. He'd have to come down a bit on annual salary, but could help get us to the next level. We'd protect his PT. He and Kyle at SG are an above average platoon.

Miami Heat shooting guard Dwyane Wade prefers to stay in Miami but is open to leaving if his contract negotiation differences with the team are not resolved, reports the Miami Herald.

The Herald reports that there is a "significant difference" between what the sides believe Wade should be paid over the next three seasons.

Wade has until late June to decide whether to opt out of a $16.1 million option for the 2015–16 season. The Herald reports that Wade would like to opt out in the hopes that Miami would then give him a three-year contract, however it "does not appear to be the Heat's preference."
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Three year commitment is indeed tough to swallow at his age. But he could be our Paul Pierce. A 3 year - $40 million contract isn't the worse for a future Hall of Famer in his twilight years.

The 33-year-old has spent his entire 12-year career in Miami. Wade averaged 21.5 points, 4.8 assists and 3.5 rebounds in 62 games this season.


I'd be more likely to do this deal if we bring back Millsap but move Teague for a top 10 pick.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread 

Post#110 » by Hawkeyes » Fri May 29, 2015 5:54 pm

If Wade leaves, I bet he reunites with LeBron.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread 

Post#111 » by PandaKidd » Fri May 29, 2015 6:38 pm

Thats what im thinking. Wade goes to CLE. Welcome home King, BROS AGAIN.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread 

Post#112 » by PandaKidd » Fri May 29, 2015 6:38 pm

Wesley Matthews will get a very cap friendly contract. I hope we offer him one
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Re: Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread 

Post#113 » by DirtybirdGA » Fri May 29, 2015 7:26 pm

I wish the Hawks could get Deing, with Min getting Okafor or Towns, with Pek still there.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread 

Post#114 » by Jamaaliver » Fri May 29, 2015 7:30 pm

Hawkeyes wrote:If Wade leaves, I bet he reunites with LeBron.

Really? I'd have guessed CHI. I kind of can't see Wade following LeBron like that. I COULD see him forming a super team elsewhere to challenge LeBron. Hoping to solidify his spot in this era on NBA.

I'd guess NYC with Carmelo, DeAndre and Justise Winslow.

Or Indiana with Paul George.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread 

Post#115 » by PandaKidd » Fri May 29, 2015 7:33 pm

If Wade leaves and they dont sign Love ( i think they might be better with TT and Love will go elsewhere) , he goes and gets 1-2 more rings?

They resign Shumpert, grab a PF off the heap, that team would be lethal. And he could manage his minutes.

AND they could PAY him
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Re: Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread 

Post#116 » by PandaKidd » Fri May 29, 2015 7:53 pm

Everything coming out of the FO is "continuity".........

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/29186 ... win-season
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Re: Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread 

Post#117 » by Goudelock » Fri May 29, 2015 7:58 pm

^^^^ Hopefully they mean "continuity......with a new, athletic, competent 7 footer along for the ride."
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Re: Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread 

Post#118 » by Jamaaliver » Fri May 29, 2015 9:42 pm

PandaKidd wrote:Everything coming out of the FO is "continuity".........

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/29186 ... win-season


1. Man, I'd be terribly disappointed if the FO decided to bypass any opportunity for improvement in favor maintaining the status quo with minor tweaks.

2. I suspect we're just echoing the same Associated Press report from multiple news outlets.

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Re: Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread 

Post#119 » by Rip2137 » Sat May 30, 2015 3:46 am

The "problem" here is that if we got blown out of the water with a healthy Millsap, Korver, Carroll and Thabo, I think they would be looking to make bigger moves.

But we lost with a one armed Milsap, no Korver and Thabo and a basically no legged Demarre. I think it gives them false hope.

I love the team oriented thing, but we need to build a team that can survive injuries like Cleveland did. Cleveland had two HUGE injuries and went from a elite offensive team to a elite defensive team with their replacements. We went from an elite team to a pretty good team with the injuries.

Simply put, you aren't going to be able to have guys that are just as good offensively coming off the bench. But you can have a group of lock down defenders coming and I am in favor of that.

That's why I don't want to move Korver to the bench(although I would for Matthews or Danny Green). I would rather just reup on the defensive second unit so that when a starter goes down we simply get better defensively.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread 

Post#120 » by Geaux_Hawks » Sat May 30, 2015 6:18 am

Rip2137 wrote:The "problem" here is that if we got blown out of the water with a healthy Millsap, Korver, Carroll and Thabo, I think they would be looking to make bigger moves.

But we lost with a one armed Milsap, no Korver and Thabo and a basically no legged Demarre. I think it gives them false hope.

I love the team oriented thing, but we need to build a team that can survive injuries like Cleveland did. Cleveland had two HUGE injuries and went from a elite offensive team to a elite defensive team with their replacements. We went from an elite team to a pretty good team with the injuries.

Simply put, you aren't going to be able to have guys that are just as good offensively coming off the bench. But you can have a group of lock down defenders coming and I am in favor of that.

That's why I don't want to move Korver to the bench(although I would for Matthews or Danny Green). I would rather just reup on the defensive second unit so that when a starter goes down we simply get better defensively.

That worked for Cleveland because they had a triple threat option in Lebron. We don't have anything close to it unfortunately. Our bench needs an upgrade on both the offense and defensive end.

If the starters weren't producing on offense, then we hit dry runs and couldn't buy a bucket. Which led to other teams getting leads on us and then having us to waste a big run just to catch up. Our defense wasn't the issue these playoffs, so much as to that our offense just couldn't score.

Defensively, we only need a rim protector. Thabo and Schroder are fine defenders. We didn't have Thabo, and Schroder killed us offense at times. Add a rim protector to the second unit, and we now have a more solid 3 man rotation.

We need an offensive spark off the bench. Finding a replacement for Korver in the starting lineup, and signing a big that get us a bucket would really give us some life off the bench. I'm really high on bringing in Amare and just bringing him and Korver off the bench. Korver can save his legs until we need them, and Amare can flourish as a 6th man.

This assuming we re-sign or upgrade from Millsap though, and bring in a guy like Matthews. Carroll might be the odd man out sadly. Personally, I would rather keep Carroll and let Sap walk, so we could have the money to re-sign Carroll, sign Matthews, Amare, and still get a competent PF or C replacement(depending on what we do with Horford).

1-Teague/Schroder
2-Matthews/Korver/Bazemore
3-DMC/Thabo/Bazemore
4-Horford/Amare
5-FA/Tavares

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