#27 #34 Draft Picks Discussion

Jody Smokz · Post #741 » by **Jody Smokz** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:49 pm

How is that not possible? Not like anyone not a scout that has been to their games has enough info to know the real gap between the 2. From what I've seen on the scouting vids I can see why a team would pick either over the other. 2 totally different prospects with the same general concerns.

Rosque wrote:I really don't understand how Porzingis is higher than Hezonja

Rosque · Post #742 » by **Rosque** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:17 pm

Jody Smokz wrote:How is that not possible? Not like anyone not a scout that has been to their games has enough info to know the real gap between the 2. From what I've seen on the scouting vids I can see why a team would pick either over the other. 2 totally different prospects with the same general concerns.

Rosque wrote:I really don't understand how Porzingis is higher than Hezonja

Is he really 5 spots better than Hezonja? Really?

Jody Smokz · Post #743 » by **Jody Smokz** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:56 pm

You're overthinking it. Henzonja isn't competing against him. There are 2-3 other wings in that tier of players. Considering the teams from 3-8 it makes a lot of sense and Porzingis was considered a top 5 prospect long before Hezonja was.

Rosque wrote:
Jody Smokz wrote:How is that not possible? Not like anyone not a scout that has been to their games has enough info to know the real gap between the 2. From what I've seen on the scouting vids I can see why a team would pick either over the other. 2 totally different prospects with the same general concerns.

Rosque wrote:I really don't understand how Porzingis is higher than Hezonja

Is he really 5 spots better than Hezonja? Really?

Jody Smokz · Post #744 » by **Jody Smokz** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:58 pm

Also considering Euro players have a higher risk of being bust due to troubling adapting to a more physical game and style they'd like to have one that doesn't have documented attitude issues and thinks he's Kobe Bryant

Rosque · Post #745 » by **Rosque** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:58 pm

Jody Smokz wrote:Also considering Euro players have a higher risk of being bust due to troubling adapting to a more physical game and style they'd like to have one that doesn't have documented attitude issues and thinks he's Kobe Bryant

Hezonja has attitude issues? Didn't know that being a good teammate keeping your mouth shut when being benched is attitude issues. He's confident that's borderline cocky. And he has talent to be so. I rate him as number two prospect in the draft behind KAT.

Post #746 » by **crazyeights** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:20 pm

I had read earlier in the year that if he were coming out of college, he'd be in the debate for #1. This is why scouting is a thing, because they're not making these calls based on youtube highlights. His age and size alone make him worth the look.

EDIT, to be clear I'm talking about Porzingis.

Jody Smokz · Post #747 » by **Jody Smokz** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:35 pm

Don't argue it with me, argue with the scouting reports. He could very well end up being the best player in the draft or he could be the next Rudy Fernandez. I think too often people overthink the draft and don't consider players have to develop in real life. Plus mock drafts try to consider the state of the team in some cases.

Rosque wrote:
Jody Smokz wrote:Also considering Euro players have a higher risk of being bust due to troubling adapting to a more physical game and style they'd like to have one that doesn't have documented attitude issues and thinks he's Kobe Bryant

Hezonja has attitude issues? Didn't know that being a good teammate keeping your mouth shut when being benched is attitude issues. He's confident that's borderline cocky. And he has talent to be so. I rate him as number two prospect in the draft behind KAT.

Rosque · Post #748 » by **Rosque** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:45 pm

Jody Smokz wrote:Don't argue it with me, argue with the scouting reports. He could very well end up being the best player in the draft or he could be the next Rudy Fernandez. I think too often people overthink the draft and don't consider players have to develop in real life. Plus mock drafts try to consider the state of the team in some cases.

Rosque wrote:
Jody Smokz wrote:Also considering Euro players have a higher risk of being bust due to troubling adapting to a more physical game and style they'd like to have one that doesn't have documented attitude issues and thinks he's Kobe Bryant

Hezonja has attitude issues? Didn't know that being a good teammate keeping your mouth shut when being benched is attitude issues. He's confident that's borderline cocky. And he has talent to be so. I rate him as number two prospect in the draft behind KAT.

I'm just saying how it is. Am following him for 4 years since he's my countryman. I was also saying that Saric would end up being one of the best players in the draft. He's proving to be one of the fastest improving players in the draft. People were writing him off because of his wingspan and allegedly bad athleticism. Look at him now and a year ago when he lead Cibona to ABA championship with **** team.

Hezonja is also going to be a beast.

Frank Dux · Post #749 » by **Frank Dux** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:35 pm

I don't really understand the hype for Hezonja . He looks like an NBA player to me, but he kind of just looks like another Gallo. Good player, but not great. The #1 talk is ridiculous. He wouldn't knock off Okafor or Towns whether he played here or not.

yitur · Post #750 » by **yitur** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:02 pm

Frank Dux wrote:I don't really understand the hype for Hezonja . He looks like an NBA player to me, but he kind of just looks like another Gallo. Good player, but not great. The #1 talk is ridiculous. He wouldn't knock off Okafor or Towns whether he played here or not.

He looks like the SG version of Gallo to me too, who said #1 though?? I think Denver has assets to hit a home run in this draft. They can deal Lawson-Chandler-Faried for picks maybe combine Lawson+something something for Kings 6th pick and get great talent. Well back to us then

I'm in love with Tokoto and Justin Anderson. I hope we can at least get one of them with our late picks. Justin Anderson looks like a competitor and Tokoto's game is so smoove, once he gets at least a consistent mid range he could be an amazing role player. They are both have good to great length and athleticism, good defensive potential. One is more Ariza type(Anderson 3&D) one is more Iggy(Tokoto ball handling no shooting). Also one of Okafor/Towns is a really no brainer.

Post #751 » by **crazyeights** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:32 pm

yitur wrote:
Frank Dux wrote:I don't really understand the hype for Hezonja . He looks like an NBA player to me, but he kind of just looks like another Gallo. Good player, but not great. The #1 talk is ridiculous. He wouldn't knock off Okafor or Towns whether he played here or not.

He looks like the SG version of Gallo to me too, who said #1 though?? I think Denver has assets to hit a home run in this draft. They can deal Lawson-Chandler-Faried for picks maybe combine Lawson+something something for Kings 6th pick and get great talent. Well back to us then

I'm in love with Tokoto and Justin Anderson. I hope we can at least get one of them with our late picks. Justin Anderson looks like a competitor and Tokoto's game is so smoove, once he gets at least a consistent mid range he could be an amazing role player. They are both have good to great length and athleticism, good defensive potential. One is more Ariza type(Anderson 3&D) one is more Iggy(Tokoto ball handling no shooting). Also one of Okafor/Towns is a really no brainer.

The number 1 talk was about Porzingis, not Hezonja.

yitur · Post #752 » by **yitur** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:41 pm

crazyeights wrote:
yitur wrote:
Frank Dux wrote:I don't really understand the hype for Hezonja . He looks like an NBA player to me, but he kind of just looks like another Gallo. Good player, but not great. The #1 talk is ridiculous. He wouldn't knock off Okafor or Towns whether he played here or not.

He looks like the SG version of Gallo to me too, who said #1 though?? I think Denver has assets to hit a home run in this draft. They can deal Lawson-Chandler-Faried for picks maybe combine Lawson+something something for Kings 6th pick and get great talent. Well back to us then

I'm in love with Tokoto and Justin Anderson. I hope we can at least get one of them with our late picks. Justin Anderson looks like a competitor and Tokoto's game is so smoove, once he gets at least a consistent mid range he could be an amazing role player. They are both have good to great length and athleticism, good defensive potential. One is more Ariza type(Anderson 3&D) one is more Iggy(Tokoto ball handling no shooting). Also one of Okafor/Towns is a really no brainer.

The number 1 talk was about Porzingis, not Hezonja.

Ohh I see. Still it's weird that he gets hyped this much out of nowhere. He has some nice skills but he is so thin and his body shape doesn't look like he can fill it up. I mean I hope he works out for the team that drafts him and I think he can be a good player in this league, he doesn't look like a superstar potential not at all.

Post #753 » by **crazyeights** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:57 pm

yitur wrote:
crazyeights wrote:
yitur wrote:
He looks like the SG version of Gallo to me too, who said #1 though?? I think Denver has assets to hit a home run in this draft. They can deal Lawson-Chandler-Faried for picks maybe combine Lawson+something something for Kings 6th pick and get great talent. Well back to us then

I'm in love with Tokoto and Justin Anderson. I hope we can at least get one of them with our late picks. Justin Anderson looks like a competitor and Tokoto's game is so smoove, once he gets at least a consistent mid range he could be an amazing role player. They are both have good to great length and athleticism, good defensive potential. One is more Ariza type(Anderson 3&D) one is more Iggy(Tokoto ball handling no shooting). Also one of Okafor/Towns is a really no brainer.

The number 1 talk was about Porzingis, not Hezonja.

Ohh I see. Still it's weird that he gets hyped this much out of nowhere. He has some nice skills but he is so thin and his body shape doesn't look like he can fill it up. I mean I hope he works out for the team that drafts him and I think he can be a good player in this league, he doesn't look like a superstar potential not at all.

This was earlier in the season that I read about he would be considered a top pick if he played college in the US, so that was my point: it's not really out of nowhere.

I agree, he's narrow shouldered, rail thin, but he's 19. Also Kevin Durant is still skinny and one of the best. Curry too. If you can ball, you can ball. That said, I haven't seen enough of Porzingis to know if he can.

Post #754 » by **Slava** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:04 pm

For those hyping Hezonja, check out Rudy Fernandez's Spanish league stuff around the time he got drafted.

LApwnd · Post #755 » by **LApwnd** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:35 pm

jirojan wrote:
Kilroy wrote:I think guys loose all perspective when it comes to lottery picks... The New guy is always better than the old guy and what not...

We were lucky to get Randle last year at 7... It was a deep draft and his injury helped us get him. Clarkson is a rare talent that is thriving on his motor... Which is one of the hardest things to find in a Draft Prospect... Lack of desire and energy is the single biggest reason guys bust in the NBA... Clarkson has proven that he's not going that way... And from everything we've seen from Randle, he has that same desire/passion/commitment.

So to use your analogy... Don't sell $.75 for a quarter, to get a dollar.

the way i see it, clarkson's ceiling is a very good started quality player...randle's is blake griffen light...both of which are fringe all-star's at best

What worries me most is randels injury issues

The top 4 this year have superstar potential which is greater than both combined imo....therefore 4 quarters lol

i guess we are basically disagreeing on randle's value

I can't believe you went to the T&T board with that trade :lol:

....#1 we're the Lakers nobody is helping us #2. only the delusional homers would think Randle/Clarkson/low end pick could get you into 3rd or 4th pick

Jody Smokz · Post #756 » by **Jody Smokz** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:11 am

Just admit you have a bias towards Henzoja instead of trying to act like the idea of Porz being rated higher is some absurd idea..

Rosque wrote:
Jody Smokz wrote:Don't argue it with me, argue with the scouting reports. He could very well end up being the best player in the draft or he could be the next Rudy Fernandez. I think too often people overthink the draft and don't consider players have to develop in real life. Plus mock drafts try to consider the state of the team in some cases.

Rosque wrote:
Hezonja has attitude issues? Didn't know that being a good teammate keeping your mouth shut when being benched is attitude issues. He's confident that's borderline cocky. And he has talent to be so. I rate him as number two prospect in the draft behind KAT.

I'm just saying how it is. Am following him for 4 years since he's my countryman. I was also saying that Saric would end up being one of the best players in the draft. He's proving to be one of the fastest improving players in the draft. People were writing him off because of his wingspan and allegedly bad athleticism. Look at him now and a year ago when he lead Cibona to ABA championship with **** team.

Hezonja is also going to be a beast.

Post #757 » by **TyCobb** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:18 am

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grpIkI_Yxcw[/youtube]

Bigger, faster, more athletic and a better shooter than Rudy. Rudy ain't bad either. He just wanted to be the man and that's not gonna work with a bunch of Americans in an American league.

RJM · Post #758 » by **RJM** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:20 am

TyCobb wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grpIkI_Yxcw[/youtube]

Bigger, faster, more athletic and a better shooter than Rudy. Rudy ain't bad either. He just wanted to be the man and that's not gonna work with a bunch of Americans in an American league.

Seriously, Kobe would love this guy. If LA manages to buy another Top 10 pick somehow and get this guy, LA will be just fine.

Rosque · Post #759 » by **Rosque** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:13 am

Jody Smokz wrote:Just admit you have a bias towards Henzoja instead of trying to act like the idea of Porz being rated higher is some absurd idea..

Rosque wrote:
Jody Smokz wrote:Don't argue it with me, argue with the scouting reports. He could very well end up being the best player in the draft or he could be the next Rudy Fernandez. I think too often people overthink the draft and don't consider players have to develop in real life. Plus mock drafts try to consider the state of the team in some cases.

I'm just saying how it is. Am following him for 4 years since he's my countryman. I was also saying that Saric would end up being one of the best players in the draft. He's proving to be one of the fastest improving players in the draft. People were writing him off because of his wingspan and allegedly bad athleticism. Look at him now and a year ago when he lead Cibona to ABA championship with **** team.

Hezonja is also going to be a beast.

Porzingis plays no defense, is a bad rebounder and is lightweight. He is a shooter. A 7'1 shooter. Hezonja has NBA body, NBA athleticism, NBA range, plays hard on defense 60-70% of the time and lives basketball.

jirojan · Post #760 » by **jirojan** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:36 pm

LApwnd wrote:
jirojan wrote:
Kilroy wrote:I think guys loose all perspective when it comes to lottery picks... The New guy is always better than the old guy and what not...

We were lucky to get Randle last year at 7... It was a deep draft and his injury helped us get him. Clarkson is a rare talent that is thriving on his motor... Which is one of the hardest things to find in a Draft Prospect... Lack of desire and energy is the single biggest reason guys bust in the NBA... Clarkson has proven that he's not going that way... And from everything we've seen from Randle, he has that same desire/passion/commitment.

So to use your analogy... Don't sell $.75 for a quarter, to get a dollar.

the way i see it, clarkson's ceiling is a very good started quality player...randle's is blake griffen light...both of which are fringe all-star's at best

What worries me most is randels injury issues

The top 4 this year have superstar potential which is greater than both combined imo....therefore 4 quarters lol

i guess we are basically disagreeing on randle's value

I can't believe you went to the T&T board with that trade ....#1 we're the Lakers nobody is helping us #2. only the delusional homers would think Randle/Clarkson/low end pick could get you into 3rd or 4th pick

am i really overvaluing randle and clarkson THAT much? lol....i mean the way i look at it randle is a 5/6 talent in either draft and clarkson is a very good player