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Poll: Who do you want with #3? (VOTE AGAIN)

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Who do you want with #3?

D'Angelo Russell
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60%
Emmanuel Mudiay
25
16%
Kristaps Porzi??is
27
18%
Mario Hezonja
5
3%
Justise Winslow
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1%
Other (Specify)
3
2%
 
Total votes: 154

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Post#1701 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:58 am

76ciology wrote:Porzingis ain't so bad.

He looks weak. But we've seen guys getting stronger as they age. Plus, these guys do weird stuffs to get into better physique.

Offensively, he'd be lethal in the PnR game. He can slash to the basket or simply shoot like a guard. Defensively, he's got the length to defend bigs and quickness to defend small line-ups. He reminds me of celtic's KG minus the intensity on defense.

Why I don't see him getting selected by us is that he's not a good rebounder (rebs+blks+stls). And Hinkie hs a high probability of getting good rebounders from kazemi, Trob to our premier bigs.



Like Shawn Bradley? But please, take Porzingis, by all means be my guest. 8-)

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Post#1702 » by broseph13 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:17 am

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Arsenal wrote:Come on into reality dudes. We are taking, and keeping, D'Angelo Russell. All your dreams of taking Mudiay and Porzingus are about to turn into nightmares!

You're way too overconfident, 76ers will take BPA and its dec chance that it isn't Russell. Could be Porz, Muiday, Hez, Okafor


Guy has no business going #3 in the draft....at least not the NBA Draft.

-Can't shoot
-Doesn't have elite athleticism
-Doesn't have elite passing/vision
-Doesn't have very high bball IQ
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Post#1703 » by ZarcMumoff » Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:18 am

Out of Porzingis' struggles, the thing I'm the least concerned about is his strength/weight. If Porzingis is a flop, it won't be because he stays 220.
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Post#1704 » by Unbreakable99 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:27 am

It's going to be Mudiay. He will be a star. Leader. Prime time player. Facilitator. Driver. Good person.
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Post#1705 » by Hardcore6erFan » Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:38 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:It's going to be Mudiay. He will be a star. Leader. Prime time player. Facilitator. Driver. Good person.


I see no reason why Mudiay will ever be much better than a Tyreke Evans level player.
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Post#1706 » by MRxBLACK » Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:43 am

PK5 wrote:Out of Porzingis' struggles, the thing I'm the least concerned about is his strength/weight. If Porzingis is a flop, it won't be because he stays 220.

Yeah. There's more important things to worry about than his weight. He's a tall spot up shooter, a good one. But I want to know what he's going to do to help the team offensively when that shot isn't falling. Is he going to crash the boards? Is he going to take his man in the post? Is he going to create for others? Is he going to attack a closeout and draw some free throw attempts? He's inadequate in all those areas. That's too many deficiencies for me to take at #3. Pass. Let him go elsewhere.
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Post#1707 » by Hardcore6erFan » Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:45 am

I just want Russell or Okafor or a trade down for Hezonja plus future lottery pick.
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Post#1708 » by Unbreakable99 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:52 am

Hardcore6erFan wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:It's going to be Mudiay. He will be a star. Leader. Prime time player. Facilitator. Driver. Good person.


I see no reason why Mudiay will ever be much better than a Tyreke Evans level player.


Different players. I could say the same thing about Russell and say I don't think he will be much better than OJ Mayo. Mudiay beats Russell in every category except shooting and passing. Shooting and passing are damn important so I'm not knocking it but Mudiay can do more. He projects to be a better defender and driver and rebounder. He's not a bad passer though.
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Post#1709 » by Mik317 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:58 am

Hardcore6erFan wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:It's going to be Mudiay. He will be a star. Leader. Prime time player. Facilitator. Driver. Good person.


I see no reason why Mudiay will ever be much better than a Tyreke Evans level player.


Reke is a guy who rested on his great rookie year and never got better and while I don't want to call him dumb...welp. Reke has all the talent in the world..its just about the mental makeup that perhaps has held him back also the Kings weren't the most stable organization either as he was moved from the point to small forward because reasons.

I'm just saying a guy with Tyreke Evans talent with Brett Brown is pretty interesting IMO. If Mudiay is that, then you gotta take a look if it comes to it.

I personally just want one of the PGs..take one please
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Post#1710 » by 76ciology » Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:32 am

Mik317 wrote:
Hardcore6erFan wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:It's going to be Mudiay. He will be a star. Leader. Prime time player. Facilitator. Driver. Good person.


I see no reason why Mudiay will ever be much better than a Tyreke Evans level player.


Reke is a guy who rested on his great rookie year and never got better and while I don't want to call him dumb...welp. Reke has all the talent in the world..its just about the mental makeup that perhaps has held him back also the Kings weren't the most stable organization either as he was moved from the point to small forward because reasons.

I'm just saying a guy with Tyreke Evans talent with Brett Brown is pretty interesting IMO. If Mudiay is that, then you gotta take a look if it comes to it.

I personally just want one of the PGs..take one please


I watched Tyreke in his rookie year, and he was a nightmare to guard defensively because of his size. I guess they switched him at SG because he's a natural SG than a PG (same ORTG and OBPM as PG and SG, but anyway..). But say he has better PG skills and let him just play PG, I think he can be an effective 20/5/5 player just like in his rookie year where no PG can guard his combination of athleticism, strength and size.

Right now at SG, Tyreke is a 15-18ppg 5rpg 5apg with good defense. Just like Mudiay, if he can improved his shooting to maybe 1-1.5 3s at .330-.350%, how good can he be? Can facilitate, can post up smaller defenders, can get to the rim, can shoot outside, can facilitate, can defend, can rebound and etc..
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Post#1711 » by marcush » Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:51 am

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PK5 wrote:Out of Porzingis' struggles, the thing I'm the least concerned about is his strength/weight. If Porzingis is a flop, it won't be because he stays 220.

Yeah. There's more important things to worry about than his weight. He's a tall spot up shooter, a good one. But I want to know what he's going to do to help the team offensively when that shot isn't falling. Is he going to crash the boards? Is he going to take his man in the post? Is he going to create for others? Is he going to attack a closeout and draw some free throw attempts? He's inadequate in all those areas. That's too many deficiencies for me to take at #3. Pass. Let him go elsewhere.

Agreed. For an offensive finisher, there are too many question marks on his offensive game. He might just need to be coached on some of these issues but considering who will be on the board when we pick, that's a pretty scary set of queries. Some of the comparisons to players like Garnett, Davis and Durant are just laughable. Just remember, this time last year Exum was getting comps with MJ from these very same pundits.
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Post#1712 » by broseph13 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:24 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:It's going to be Mudiay. He will be a star. Leader. Prime time player. Facilitator. Driver. Good person.


If it's Mudiay, I'll be totally shocked. Hinkie just got rid of a PG with virtually the same skillset who was rookie of the year and only 23 yrs old, so for him to turn around and use a #3 pick on another PG who also can't shoot just doesn't make sense. History shows that guys who come into the league with no jumper usually never develop one or only improve slightly which means Hinkie would be moving laterally at the position, not improving it (ie replacing one non-shooter PG with another non-shooter PG), which would essentially be a waste of a #3 pick. Clearly, the doing away of MCW indicates that Hinkie is looking to go in a different direction at the PG position and that most likely involves a player who can actually shoot/do things that MCW can't.

That said, just based upon logic, I think it'll either be Russell (to bring in a PG with elite shooting and passing...much different than MCW), Okafor (if Russell is off the board already and Hinkie wants top notch trade bait or Embiid insurance), OR Porzingis (if Hinkie is going for high risk/high reward).
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Post#1713 » by 76ciology » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:11 am

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Unbreakable99 wrote:It's going to be Mudiay. He will be a star. Leader. Prime time player. Facilitator. Driver. Good person.


If it's Mudiay, I'll be totally shocked. Hinkie just got rid of a PG with virtually the same skillset who was rookie of the year and only 23 yrs old, so for him to turn around and use a #3 pick on another PG who also can't shoot just doesn't make sense. History shows that guys who come into the league with no jumper usually never develop one or only improve slightly which means Hinkie would be moving laterally at the position, not improving it (ie replacing one non-shooter PG with another non-shooter PG), which would essentially be a waste of a #3 pick. Clearly, the doing away of MCW indicates that Hinkie is looking to go in a different direction at the PG position and that most likely involves a player who can actually shoot/do things that MCW can't.

That said, just based upon logic, I think it'll either be Russell (to bring in a PG with elite shooting and passing...much different than MCW), Okafor (if Russell is off the board already and Hinkie wants top notch trade bait or Embiid insurance), OR Porzingis (if Hinkie is going for high risk/high reward).


Two ways to look at it..

Either that or..Hinkie is inclined to pick MCW type PGs Over Trey Burke type PGs (not saying Mudiay = MCW). Maybe selecting Mudiay is similar to Spurs selecting Kawhi, where improved shooting easily made him a special player. And I'm pretty sure MCW was traded because of his upside+contract concerns more than opting for a different direction.

Spurs, Rockets and our current drafting record shows that shooting is a skill that can be improved.

Hinkie might go "moneyball" on Mudiay because there's a negative sentiment in the value of his shooting where most people lazily just labels him a bad shooter and not take consideration that..

1.) he's a confident shooter
2.) his shooting mechanics isn't broke
3.) he shot well from the 3pt range in CBA
4.) he has shown improvement with his shooting after his stint at CBA.

With a top 3 pick, I also think he won't be looking just on who's the better shooting PG. But more of who can be the better player 5 to 10 years down the road. And our current draft trend, even at the PG spot,might also lean that he might be more inclined to a guy who has potential to have better rebs+stls+blk value than shooting %, where on paper, Mudiay could be a superior prospect in this category.

The problem with MCW is that, unlike Tony Parker or James Harden, he can't shoot, he can't create and get to the rim.
Mudiay can create and get to the rim, and current trend shows that in time, he can be a good shooter.
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Post#1714 » by sixers23 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:18 am

The mcw to mudiay comparison is lazy and inaccurate
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Post#1715 » by LloydFree » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:29 am

sixers23 wrote:The mcw to mudiay comparison is lazy and inaccurate

That's putting it nicely.
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Post#1716 » by Snotbubbles » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:43 am

I'm happy with any of Towns, Okafor, Russell or Mudiay.
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Post#1717 » by guitarpath » Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:27 pm

If Russell is available at #3, the 76ers will take him. The Porzingis and Mudiay talk reeks of smokescreen. Russell is their guy.

If the Lakers take Russell (a possibility, btw), then I think the Sixers either take Mudiay and keep him or take Okafor (as possible trade bait). If they pick Porzingis at #3, it will likely be to trade him to Orlando for their pick and future assets.
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Post#1718 » by LloydFree » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:20 pm

guitarpath wrote:If Russell is available at #3, the 76ers will take him. The Porzingis and Mudiay talk reeks of smokescreen. Russell is their guy.

If the Lakers take Russell (a possibility, btw), then I think the Sixers either take Mudiay and keep him or take Okafor (as possible trade bait). If they pick Porzingis at #3, it will likely be to trade him to Orlando for their pick and future assets.

I agree with the 1st part: "If Russell is available a #3, the 76er will take him".

I don't agree with the last part. If the Lakers select Russel, I wouldn't be surprised if its Porzingis. And if they select Porzingis, I don't think it's to trade him. They'd pick him because they think he has more upside than Mudiay or fits better than Okafor. I can't really envision a scenario where Orlando would be so desperate for Porzingis, that they trade additional assets to get him. Why would Orlando trade anything to get Porzingis, when they can just sit there and take Winslow or whoever. This thought that the 76ers can just rob Orlando with Porzingis, because of 'fit', is sillier than the Lakers board thinking the 76ers will trade Jahlil Okafor AND the Laker's '16 pick back to them, for Russell.
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Post#1719 » by Kobblehead » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:27 pm

76ciology wrote:Two ways to look at it..

Either that or..Hinkie is inclined to pick MCW type PGs Over Trey Burke type PGs (not saying Mudiay = MCW). Maybe selecting Mudiay is similar to Spurs selecting Kawhi, where improved shooting easily made him a special player. And I'm pretty sure MCW was traded because of his upside+contract concerns more than opting for a different direction.

Spurs, Rockets and our current drafting record shows that shooting is a skill that can be improved.

Hinkie might go "moneyball" on Mudiay because there's a negative sentiment in the value of his shooting where most people lazily just labels him a bad shooter and not take consideration that..

1.) he's a confident shooter
2.) his shooting mechanics isn't broke
3.) he shot well from the 3pt range in CBA
4.) he has shown improvement with his shooting after his stint at CBA.

With a top 3 pick, I also think he won't be looking just on who's the better shooting PG. But more of who can be the better player 5 to 10 years down the road. And our current draft trend, even at the PG spot,might also lean that he might be more inclined to a guy who has potential to have better rebs+stls+blk value than shooting %, where on paper, Mudiay could be a superior prospect in this category.

The problem with MCW is that, unlike Tony Parker or James Harden, he can't shoot, he can't create and get to the rim.
Mudiay can create and get to the rim, and current trend shows that in time, he can be a good shooter.


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Post#1720 » by Ericb5 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:41 pm

LloydFree wrote:
guitarpath wrote:If Russell is available at #3, the 76ers will take him. The Porzingis and Mudiay talk reeks of smokescreen. Russell is their guy.

If the Lakers take Russell (a possibility, btw), then I think the Sixers either take Mudiay and keep him or take Okafor (as possible trade bait). If they pick Porzingis at #3, it will likely be to trade him to Orlando for their pick and future assets.

I agree with the 1st part: "If Russell is available a #3, the 76er will take him".

I don't agree with the last part. If the Lakers select Russel, I wouldn't be surprised if its Porzingis. And if they select Porzingis, I don't think it's to trade him. They'd pick him because they think he has more upside than Mudiay or fits better than Okafor. I can't really envision a scenario where Orlando would be so desperate for Porzingis, that they trade additional assets to get him. Why would Orlando trade anything to get Porzingis, when they can just sit there and take Winslow or whoever. This thought that the 76ers can just rob Orlando with Porzingis is sillier than the Lakers board thinking the 76ers will trade Jahlil Okafor AND the Laker's '16 pick back to them, for Russell.


Porzingis has a lot more upside than Winslow for sure. Yes, he has more downside too, but Winslow isn't going to be a star player, and Porzingis definitely has a shot.

If Orlando wants him enough they could trade up for him, but we just don't know how much they want him. It wouldn't be raping them to trade down with them though. I don't think that they are going to get him at 5 regardless because, if we don't take him, I think the Knicks will trade down with someone that WILL take him. I still think that Towns and Okafor go 1 and 2, and Russell and Porzingis are now most likely going in the top 4.

The question for Hinkie is which of the following possible scenarios does he prefer:

Draft Russell at 3 and keep him
Draft Porzingis at 3 and keep him
Draft Porzingis at 3 and trade him to Orlando for Mudiay plus something.(like Orlando 2016 first rounder top 5 protected)
Draft Mudiay at 3 and keep him

We simply don't know what Hinkie will do, and we won't know until the draft.

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