[Woj] George Karl wants to trade DeMarcus Cousins

[Jkam31]

NO fans correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't NO 7-3 without Davis this year

If they don't want Cousins, this is the perfect time to sell high.

Of course, why the **** wouldn't you want him though? Karl is a moron.

Kings wins in the last 7 years:

2009 - 17
2010 - 25
2011 - 24
2012 - 22
2013 - 28
2014 - 28
2015 - 29

What I don't understand is why everyone is acting like Cousins is some kind of savior. He hasn't shown he is a difference maker on the level of Lebron, Durant, or Davis. Anthony Davis went to a worse situation than the Kings and he has his team on the cusp of being a 50 win team in the West. Look at the Pelicans win totals since Davis came on board:

2013 - 27
2014 - 34
2015 - 45

Now these are not apples to apples situations but can anyone legitimately say Monty Williams is a better coach than any of the past Kings coach's or that the Pelicans have significantly better talent than the Kings? Plus it is not as is Demarcus does not come with his own issues on the court as well. I do not see Cousins name anywhere leading in the advanced metrics, if you are making an argument for Cousins it's based purely on PPG and REB.

Demarcus is not found in the top 20 in the following:

VORP
WS (offensive nor defensive)
DRtg
ORtg

He is 10th in Def +/-, 15th in Box +/-, 3rd in USG, 16th in Block %, 4th in REB%, 7th in PER.

Now his production is pretty good, but his USG is high as hell so he should have the counting stats. What is more telling is what impact does that have on the rest of the team? Offensively the Kings were 14th in offense (not overly talented but middle of the road team), but on defense where big men should have the most impact the Kings are 27th in defense.

Cousins doesn't help the offense by turning the ball over 4.3 times a game which is nearly double of any other King and he is 2nd in the NBA in that category behind Russell Westbrook and ahead of Lebron. In fact you do not find another big man with that many TOV until you get to Josh Smith who turned the ball over 2.5 times. Then Demarcus can't stay on the court because he is the league leader in fouls at 4.1 a game, the only player in the league who fouls at least 4 times a game. The next highest is crazy Larry Sanders at 3.9 fouls.

So I get where some people hear the name "Demarcus Cousins" and assume oooooohhh talented big guy, you have to do everything to keep him happy. Yet in this perimeter oriented NBA Cousins style of play is not where the game is trending. He isn't like Davis who can play inside and out and defend in a multitude of ways. I'm not even going to get into his attitude which is tolerable at best and detrimental/devisive at worst.

Also I think the Kings would take the #2 pick or young talent if they had the time to develop them but management feels they need to put a winning producto on the court this season. Then be playoff contenders the following seasons to keep fans paying for the high priced tickets for the new arena. The Kings are in a tough situation, they need to win now but everyone is not on the same page. They need to start from scratch and build around a young talent like the Thunder/Pelicans have done. Personally, I don't see Cousins ever being a winner, he is a worse Dwight Howard imo, better offense, worse defense and a crappy attitude.......

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[Rosque]

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[Lala870]

^^ RIP Sacramento but they were dead already.

[G35]

I put the accomplishments in cronological order, not taking in consideration their value.

All NBA; All Star; Gold Medalist. This is the correct ranking.

You won't get a player who actually belongs in the first 2 categories I mentioned, nor even they have that potential with that trade.

They're who they are, and their value together it's simply not even close to a single DMC.

To me, off-court issues are much worse, because for those you need a psychologist, not just a coach/mentor. You can ruin your life with off-court troubles, with on-court, not so much. It can be something that just delays (or completely negates) the ascension to stardom (which has happened in the case of DMC, considering the amount of talent he has).

He's not a perfect fit everywhere of course, or a guy who can single-handedly change the course of a franchise like LeBron, but again I don't see many players outside of the very first tier of guys who have the potential to be so good, with the current production he's been bringing to the table.

We've seen that he's coachable, with Malone in Sacto, Thibs/coach K at team USA (you can find a lot of praise by the coaches themselves). And referring to the aspect that he was coming off the bench, you should appreciate the fact that he was willing to come off the bench while clearly a superior player to Faried (starter because of the better fit in international play), and was very important, very efficient and dominant in the gold medal game.

Individually Cousins is more talented than most players in the NBA. I would wager before this past season people would have said Cousins is more talented than Steph Curry, but look at the Warriors and the Hawks, and I would say Cousins would be the most talented player on either team. You just have to have a great player, who allows a coach to coach the team, and build around his strengths. It seems like people want to make Cousins into "hero-ball" in Sacramento. Cousins has been there for five years and that team is as dysfunctional as it was the first year he got there. You can't blame Cousins for the Kings not progressing but you can't say he has done anything to keep them from sucking either.

I don't think Demarcus was receptive to Karl before he even got hired. You would think if he was about winning he would be trying to make it work as well instead of fighting it out on twitter.....

[MaxRider]

no wonder so many bad team in the nba

[TaylorMonkey]

Bogut and Barnes for Cousins. Haha.

Two NBA champion starters who happened to eliminate Karl's Nuggets and cost him his job. Plus we know how much Vivek likes to ape GSW's moves and pick up their players, coaches, and front office.

[Italian Job]

Bogut and Barnes for Cousins. Haha.

Two NBA champion starters who happened to eliminate Karl's Nuggets and cost him his job. Plus we know how much Vivek likes to ape GSW's moves and pick up their players, coaches, and front office.

Cousins on GSW team would make them unreal (keeping Steph-Klay-Draymond + Andre...) (not so sure about the fit... anyway, that's not reality)

He'd finally have a backup center on the Warriors.

Could have he just fallen to the Dubs at #6 in 2010...

[skywalker33]

Well, doesn't look like they'll have to give up their 2016 #1 as I believe it's top 10 protected again...

[Adam1221]

Could this be a leak by Lakers management trying to gain some leverage in trade talks?

[NavalAviator94]

This is not driven by Coach Karl. This is 100% driven by Dan Fegan - the jerk of an agent he is.


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[NikolaPekovic]

Where theres smoke.. there's fire.

[ILC]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKo_cheu00Y[/youtube]

[RollingWave]

There would be nothing more hilarious than if they traded Lawson and Faried for Cousins

Say what you will, but Karl has proven he can win 50+ games with Lawson, Faried, a good SF, and a decent SG, even with a backup quality center starting most games.

I do not know why people are so surprised, Karl wants to run, Cousins is most effective in a half court game, a bad fit, and a coach that can change his system but truly believes that winning in today's nba requires playing fast and efficient, the owner wants to play fast like the Warriors. So why is anybody surprised that Karl is wanting to trade a center that does not want to play fast and is not the most efficient player?

For those saying that Karl just hates Cousins, I doubt that is true, Karl was trying to convince the Nuggets to trade for Cousins everytime rumors came out that Cousins was available while Melo was still in Denver, it has been confirmed numerous times in the local media that Karl wanted Cousins badly. However if the rumors are true that Malone was fired for not running, and Karl was brought in to make the Kings a running team, what is Karl supposed to do if Cousins is not interested in running?

Sure, that doesn't really reduce the comical factor though.

[boomershadow]

Im on my phone. Somebody summarize the video?

Please?

[JellosJigglin]

I put the accomplishments in cronological order, not taking in consideration their value.

All NBA; All Star; Gold Medalist. This is the correct ranking.

You won't get a player who actually belongs in the first 2 categories I mentioned, nor even they have that potential with that trade.

They're who they are, and their value together it's simply not even close to a single DMC.

To me, off-court issues are much worse, because for those you need a psychologist, not just a coach/mentor. You can ruin your life with off-court troubles, with on-court, not so much. It can be something that just delays (or completely negates) the ascension to stardom (which has happened in the case of DMC, considering the amount of talent he has).

He's not a perfect fit everywhere of course, or a guy who can single-handedly change the course of a franchise like LeBron, but again I don't see many players outside of the very first tier of guys who have the potential to be so good, with the current production he's been bringing to the table.

We've seen that he's coachable, with Malone in Sacto, Thibs/coach K at team USA (you can find a lot of praise by the coaches themselves). And referring to the aspect that he was coming off the bench, you should appreciate the fact that he was willing to come off the bench while clearly a superior player to Faried (starter because of the better fit in international play), and was very important, very efficient and dominant in the gold medal game.

Individually Cousins is more talented than most players in the NBA. I would wager before this past season people would have said Cousins is more talented than Steph Curry, but look at the Warriors and the Hawks, and I would say Cousins would be the most talented player on either team. You just have to have a great player, who allows a coach to coach the team, and build around his strengths. It seems like people want to make Cousins into "hero-ball" in Sacramento. Cousins has been there for five years and that team is as dysfunctional as it was the first year he got there. You can't blame Cousins for the Kings not progressing but you can't say he has done anything to keep them from sucking either.

I don't think Demarcus was receptive to Karl before he even got hired. You would think if he was about winning he would be trying to make it work as well instead of fighting it out on twitter.....

That is what happens when teams don't involve their best player in a coaching hire. The Lakers did it when they hired Mike Brown without speaking to Kobe. And then again when they hired a coach who hates big men over Phil Jackson without asking their 2 all-star 7-footers (who both ditched the Lakers). It's creates resent, and then you're dealing with an unhappy star who wants out. Cousins isn't unique in this situation. I don't blame him for wanting out of that mess.

[Umbooki]

Im on my phone. Somebody summarize the video?

Please?

-Every Kings player not named DeMarcus Cousins is available.
-Boogie and Karl's relationship is probably irreparable at this point.
- If a trade doesn't go down in the offseason, look for a potential move to be made during the 2015-2016 season.
- Despite Boogie's talents, history has taught us that if he's not happy, he may act out.

Those are the main points of the latest video.

[boomershadow]

Thanks.