Tobias Harris To Pursue Near Max Deal With Pistons, Celtics Among Leading Suitors

[Snakebites]

If the Mavericks really are interested in Danny Green we'll have a hard time convincing him to come here, even though he'd be the perfect fit.

What role do you see him as the perfect fit for?

I also like D. Green and his game but I view him as a 2 and I can only envision spot minutes at the 3.

I think he and KCP can play together. Or if they can't, we can always deal KCP. I don't view him as an ironclad part of this teams' core.

[MotownMadness]

I don't want harris for what we'll have to pay him, even though he could be a good player. he has chronic ankle problems and has dealt with injuries literally every year of his career.

2012: 42 games (64% of the season)
2013: 55 games (67% of the season)
2014: 61 games (74% of the season)
2015: 68 games (83% of the season)

he's played in 72% of the possible regular season games in his career.

to sink considerable money into a player that is so injury-prone is pretty risky, imo.

Yeah I'm a bit hesitant on giving him a max. Maybe a 4/50 type of deal

[russkopp]

I'd give him the max, easy. I just think Orlando would match and we'd have no money for 72 hours. Danny Green would be nice but he can go anywhere he wants and NO ONE comes here. Do not want Carroll, I think he's overrated as a 3 & D guy and was in a perfect system last season.

All that being said, we'll sign Carroll because my luck is terrible.

[sc8581]

I'd give him the max, easy. I just think Orlando would match and we'd have no money for 72 hours. Danny Green would be nice but he can go anywhere he wants and NO ONE comes here. Do not want Carroll, I think he's overrated as a 3 & D guy and was in a perfect system last season.

All that being said, we'll sign Carroll because my luck is terrible.

How can you like Harris enough to give him the max but not want Carroll at all? You realiz he was dropping close to 20ppg in the playoffs while playing good defense right?

[russkopp]

I'd give him the max, easy. I just think Orlando would match and we'd have no money for 72 hours. Danny Green would be nice but he can go anywhere he wants and NO ONE comes here. Do not want Carroll, I think he's overrated as a 3 & D guy and was in a perfect system last season.

All that being said, we'll sign Carroll because my luck is terrible.

How can you like Harris enough to give him the max but not want Carroll at all? You realiz he was dropping close to 20ppg in the playoffs while playing good defense right?

The $$$ difference will only be 4-5mill a year and Carroll has nowhere to go but down (if not immediately then a year or two into the deal) vs Harris who is 22 and I think has tremendous potential. Harris was surrounded by 0 shooters, Carroll was on the most perfect system TEAM in the league.

Scares me a little. Carroll feels old for our core. Just my opinion.

[coordinator0]

If the Mavericks really are interested in Danny Green we'll have a hard time convincing him to come here, even though he'd be the perfect fit.

What role do you see him as the perfect fit for?

I also like D. Green and his game but I view him as a 2 and I can only envision spot minutes at the 3.

I think he and KCP can play together. Or if they can't, we can always deal KCP. I don't view him as an ironclad part of this teams' core.

Yeah, Green would be fine at small forward. His size make him a bit less than an ideal fit there but he's more than good enough defensively to make it work. Any two of Caldwell-Pope, Johnson, and Green could man the wing positions at all times. Green would be a great addition to the team. Better that Carroll in my opinion.

[vic]

I'd give him the max, easy. I just think Orlando would match and we'd have no money for 72 hours. Danny Green would be nice but he can go anywhere he wants and NO ONE comes here. Do not want Carroll, I think he's overrated as a 3 & D guy and was in a perfect system last season.

All that being said, we'll sign Carroll because my luck is terrible.

How can you like Harris enough to give him the max but not want Carroll at all? You realiz he was dropping close to 20ppg in the playoffs while playing good defense right?

The $$$ difference will only be 4-5mill a year and Carroll has nowhere to go but down (if not immediately then a year or two into the deal) vs Harris who is 22 and I think has tremendous potential. Harris was surrounded by 0 shooters, Carroll was on the most perfect system TEAM in the league.

Scares me a little. Carroll feels old for our core. Just my opinion.

Your a smart guy

[Snakebites]

Honestly, I'm not even convinced the money difference between Harris and Carroll will be that big.

Its kind of silly to talk as though we actually have a choice between the 2, when we'd be lucky if either were actually an option at the end of the day, but I think this one's easy. Harris.

[Han Solo]

he's who I want the most. Would be a dream if we get him.. I'd offer full Max. Is he worth it? probably not. We can afford the contract though and he would make us deadly.

[Han Solo]

I trade traded Tobias Harris to Detroit in 2K last night. haha

[sc8581]

I'd give him the max, easy. I just think Orlando would match and we'd have no money for 72 hours. Danny Green would be nice but he can go anywhere he wants and NO ONE comes here. Do not want Carroll, I think he's overrated as a 3 & D guy and was in a perfect system last season.

All that being said, we'll sign Carroll because my luck is terrible.

How can you like Harris enough to give him the max but not want Carroll at all? You realiz he was dropping close to 20ppg in the playoffs while playing good defense right?

The $$$ difference will only be 4-5mill a year and Carroll has nowhere to go but down (if not immediately then a year or two into the deal) vs Harris who is 22 and I think has tremendous potential. Harris was surrounded by 0 shooters, Carroll was on the most perfect system TEAM in the league.

Scares me a little. Carroll feels old for our core. Just my opinion.

It has nothing to do with the difference in money, they will both probably sign eerily similar contracts, I just don't want Harris on my team. Carroll will be very good throughout a 4 year contract, starting for probably 2 years and then our 3rd wing for the final two years. You can't say what he did in the playoffs was system, he was the only Hawk that showed up consistently and he plays both ends of the floor. Harris had help, don't be foolish. Vucevic is an excellent shooter, Olidipo demands attention with his speed and aggressiveness and the rook was no bum either, if Harris was that good the team would have been much better than it was. He's Carmelo Jr in both style and also being a player you won't win with.

[ComboGuardCity]

He could be our Rashard!


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[zeebneeb]

How can you like Harris enough to give him the max but not want Carroll at all? You realiz he was dropping close to 20ppg in the playoffs while playing good defense right?

The $$$ difference will only be 4-5mill a year and Carroll has nowhere to go but down (if not immediately then a year or two into the deal) vs Harris who is 22 and I think has tremendous potential. Harris was surrounded by 0 shooters, Carroll was on the most perfect system TEAM in the league.

Scares me a little. Carroll feels old for our core. Just my opinion.

It has nothing to do with the difference in money, they will both probably sign eerily similar contracts, I just don't want Harris on my team. Carroll will be very good throughout a 4 year contract, starting for probably 2 years and then our 3rd wing for the final two years. You can't say what he did in the playoffs was system, he was the only Hawk that showed up consistently and he plays both ends of the floor. Harris had help, don't be foolish. Vucevic is an excellent shooter, Olidipo demands attention with his speed and aggressiveness and the rook was no bum either, if Harris was that good the team would have been much better than it was. He's Carmelo Jr in both style and also being a player you won't win with.

Harris is 22, don't be absurd. He needs to be in a winning culture, to grow with a team.

This is a perfect fit for him. He can play either the 3, or 4, and fits perfectly alongside the rest of our guys.

I like carroll, but as someone else said, at 22, it's awesome that our entire core would range from 19-24. That's not something that EVER happens.

Everyone needs time to grow as a player, and who better to grow with, then an organization steeped in a winning tradition, with an owner that wants to win, and a GM/coach, that's awesome, alongside a great, young group of core players.

[MrBigShot]

It has nothing to do with the difference in money, they will both probably sign eerily similar contracts, I just don't want Harris on my team. Carroll will be very good throughout a 4 year contract, starting for probably 2 years and then our 3rd wing for the final two years. You can't say what he did in the playoffs was system, he was the only Hawk that showed up consistently and he plays both ends of the floor. Harris had help, don't be foolish. Vucevic is an excellent shooter, Olidipo demands attention with his speed and aggressiveness and the rook was no bum either, if Harris was that good the team would have been much better than it was. He's Carmelo Jr in both style and also being a player you won't win with.

Whoa. I can understand liking Carroll but this is way off base. Melo is the ultimate ball stopper...a guy you give the ball to at the elbow throughout a game who will completely stall the offense's movement and cause his teammates to stand around and watch him jack up long 2s. Harris is nowhere near the ball stopper he is, he gets a far higher percentage of his points in the flow of the offense and shots between 16 feet and the 3point line make up only 14% of his offense, versus 28% for Melo. Harris is more aggressive in terms of getting to the paint, with about 50% of his shots from 10 feet inwards, versus 31% for Melo. Melo thrives at getting to the line, Harris gets their 3x a game. Harris should get there more than he does, but that's a matter of being aggressive and can be improved.

Not the same stylistically at this point in their careers other than being forwards who can score in multiple ways.

[Blkbrd671]

Tell you what if there is any validity to these reports we'd automatically become one of the best young up and comers not to mention FA destination (more so than we currently are)


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[Blkbrd671]

How can you like Harris enough to give him the max but not want Carroll at all? You realiz he was dropping close to 20ppg in the playoffs while playing good defense right?

The $$$ difference will only be 4-5mill a year and Carroll has nowhere to go but down (if not immediately then a year or two into the deal) vs Harris who is 22 and I think has tremendous potential. Harris was surrounded by 0 shooters, Carroll was on the most perfect system TEAM in the league.

Scares me a little. Carroll feels old for our core. Just my opinion.

Your a smart guy

I believe your the one I had the debate with about rfa and Detroit . I hope that I have to eat crow


Detroit vs Everybody

[sfballa13]

I think Orlando will match Harris but I would trade Jennings and a highly protected future first in a sign and trade

[sc8581]

It has nothing to do with the difference in money, they will both probably sign eerily similar contracts, I just don't want Harris on my team. Carroll will be very good throughout a 4 year contract, starting for probably 2 years and then our 3rd wing for the final two years. You can't say what he did in the playoffs was system, he was the only Hawk that showed up consistently and he plays both ends of the floor. Harris had help, don't be foolish. Vucevic is an excellent shooter, Olidipo demands attention with his speed and aggressiveness and the rook was no bum either, if Harris was that good the team would have been much better than it was. He's Carmelo Jr in both style and also being a player you won't win with.

Whoa. I can understand liking Carroll but this is way off base. Melo is the ultimate ball stopper...a guy you give the ball to at the elbow throughout a game who will completely stall the offense's movement and cause his teammates to stand around and watch him jack up long 2s. Harris is nowhere near the ball stopper he is, he gets a far higher percentage of his points in the flow of the offense and shots between 16 feet and the 3point line make up only 14% of his offense, versus 28% for Melo. Harris is more aggressive in terms of getting to the paint, with about 50% of his shots from 10 feet inwards, versus 31% for Melo. Melo thrives at getting to the line, Harris gets their 3x a game. Harris should get there more than he does, but that's a matter of being aggressive and can be improved.

Not the same stylistically at this point in their careers other than being forwards who can score in multiple ways.

Don't forget the similarities on the defensive end, which are certainly not a positive. A 4 year deal with Harris also means that he's an unrestricted free agent just as he's entering his prime which is before Stanley gets close to his and when Drummond and KCP are about to enter theirs so I don't buy the age argument.

[Han Solo]

I think Orlando will match Harris but I would trade Jennings and a highly protected future first in a sign and trade

They won't match a max

Elfrid Payton
Victor Oladipo
Mario Hezonja
Aaron Gordon
Nikola Vucevic

[Han Solo]

For the record. Magic fans have been talking about us being a threat to take Harris the last 3 months on here.