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Post#721 » by Kizz Fastfists » Sat Jul 4, 2015 2:12 am

Pillendreher wrote:Does Doc have Capspace?


No. They are over the cap. DeAndre Jordan leaving could really set them back. They only have 8 players under contract and I'm not sure CP3, Blake, JJ Redick, Jamal Crawford and Lance Stephenson is the core of a playoff team. I know they added Paul Pierce, but still. That team doesn't scare me at all now. They could be a 6-8 seed, but they have no rim protection and outside of Stephenson they don't really have anyone that can play defense at a high level.
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Post#722 » by KD35Brah » Sat Jul 4, 2015 5:14 am

Would you guys consider Kanter an off the ball player?


That's what makes him so lethal with KD and Russ. Majority of the times he scores is off PnRs and offensive putbacks. Kanter being a great post up big is huge bonus to his offensive skillset.

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Post#723 » by bondom34 » Sat Jul 4, 2015 5:38 am

KD35Brah wrote:Would you guys consider Kanter an off the ball player?


That's what makes him so lethal with KD and Russ. Majority of the times he scores is off PnRs and offensive putbacks. Kanter being a great post up big is huge bonus to his offensive skillset.

Yeah, I mean he doesn't really do much with the ball in his hands, and the pick and roll is where he's best.

I'm beginning to wonder about this contract more though, and starting to sour on how this is going on and on.
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Post#724 » by KD35Brah » Sat Jul 4, 2015 5:50 am

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KD35Brah wrote:Would you guys consider Kanter an off the ball player?


That's what makes him so lethal with KD and Russ. Majority of the times he scores is off PnRs and offensive putbacks. Kanter being a great post up big is huge bonus to his offensive skillset.

Yeah, I mean he doesn't really do much with the ball in his hands, and the pick and roll is where he's best.

I'm beginning to wonder about this contract more though, and starting to sour on how this is going on and on.

This is what we want though right?

No one is going to offer him a max offer sheet.

Lakers, Portland, or Celtics are not going to offer him 14 million plus. So we should be fine.

RJ hasn't came to terms with Detroit either, teams aren't trying to go after him.
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Post#725 » by bondom34 » Sat Jul 4, 2015 5:51 am

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KD35Brah wrote:Would you guys consider Kanter an off the ball player?


That's what makes him so lethal with KD and Russ. Majority of the times he scores is off PnRs and offensive putbacks. Kanter being a great post up big is huge bonus to his offensive skillset.

Yeah, I mean he doesn't really do much with the ball in his hands, and the pick and roll is where he's best.

I'm beginning to wonder about this contract more though, and starting to sour on how this is going on and on.

This is what we want though right?

No one is going to offer him a max offer sheet.

Lakers, Portland, or Celtics are not going to offer him 14 million plus. So we should be fine.

RJ hasn't came to terms with Detroit either, teams aren't trying to go after him.

Yeah pretty much. I don't enjoy his attitude I think as much as anything, though I suppose we don't see behind the scenes. I still wouldn't feel great about 15 per year, but the rumor was "near max w/ incentives" which means not the max.
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Post#726 » by Zagor » Sat Jul 4, 2015 10:10 am

BIG EDDIE wrote:Kanter's defensive weakness is way too blown up. He is not a good defender, but there are loads of not good defenders in the NBA who the people still consider to be elite players: Harden, Irving, Monta Ellis, Brook Lopez, Carmelo, Lillard.

Then there are players, whos defense has improved, like Pau Gasol or Al Jefferson.

Brook Lopez got 20 mil, Greg Monroe got also max money and Thad Young got 12.5 mil... Did anyone talk about those players' defense? They are also far from good defenders.

Players you mentioned in first paragraph are backcourt players. Their defense is way easier to hide than one of big guys.
Lopez is an example, and Kanter is even worse. But Nets needs Lopez in offense, we don't need Kanter's offense so bad. Especially if he mess the whole defense.

This is from twitter: "There are guys who you need to put next to a good defensive player to cover for mistakes. Then there is Teams literally target him.
Ibaka will help, but if a team stretches Ibaka to the perimeter, they can do what they did last year: Put Kanter in pn’r to DEATH.
When teams look at a guy and just literally say “attack that dude over and over again” you are a special brand of disaster."

This is Enes Kanter. Possible catastrophe with 15 million salary. :D


Ontopic with Kanter's seeking of contract.

Now is obvious that he and his agent want max, and Presti doesn't want to give it. So they are waiting for someone to offer them contract that would be satisfying.
BUT Bucks took Monroe,Dallas signed Jordan and Knicks went for Lopez.
So, who else is in a race? Portland has Kaman,Davis,Plumlee,Vonleh and Leonard. I don't see room for Kanter.
Maybe Lakers, but they would rather be one more year bad and with cap space next year.

So Kanter could be forced to take what Presti offered, or sign QF and try to find better contract next year.
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Post#727 » by Kizz Fastfists » Sat Jul 4, 2015 12:39 pm

Zagor wrote:Maybe Lakers, but they would rather be one more year bad and with cap space next year.



Kanter is not the type of player the Lakers want to spend $12M/yr+ on. However, if they miss on Aldridge and Gasol they might get desperate to make any type of move instead of staying put and trying to get another top 3 pick next year. They only get to keep their draft pick next year if it is in the top 3 so they either want to contend or be the worst team in the league.
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Post#728 » by Podirk » Sat Jul 4, 2015 2:27 pm

bondom34 wrote:
KD35Brah wrote:Would you guys consider Kanter an off the ball player?


That's what makes him so lethal with KD and Russ. Majority of the times he scores is off PnRs and offensive putbacks. Kanter being a great post up big is huge bonus to his offensive skillset.

Yeah, I mean he doesn't really do much with the ball in his hands, and the pick and roll is where he's best.

I'm beginning to wonder about this contract more though, and starting to sour on how this is going on and on.


Have any of the RFA been offered by other teams?
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Post#729 » by Kizz Fastfists » Sat Jul 4, 2015 3:21 pm

We don't know yet. No one can sign an offer sheet for a few more days. All the contracts we are hearing about are just agreed to and not signed and finalized yet. People are freaking out over Kanter when he couldn't even sign a contract right now if he wanted to he could just have his agent leak to the media that a deal is done.
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Post#730 » by Balkman32 » Sat Jul 4, 2015 4:12 pm

I wonder is Kanter and Jackson have offer sheets that they will sign on the 9th.
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Post#731 » by KD35Brah » Sat Jul 4, 2015 8:37 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/vgoodwill/status/617410192632885248[/tweet]

If this is the case, why isn't the deal done already?
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Post#732 » by Marcus50 » Sat Jul 4, 2015 8:40 pm

Big question with Kanter is how is he going to handle perhaps not getting the max contract he clearly thinks he deserves. At Utah when he didn't get what he wanted it all turned a little sour.
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Post#733 » by Marcus50 » Sat Jul 4, 2015 8:43 pm

KD35Brah wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/vgoodwill/status/617410192632885248[/tweet]

If this is the case, why isn't the deal done already?


Given that is pretty much a max contract sounds a bit dodgy
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Post#734 » by KD35Brah » Sat Jul 4, 2015 8:52 pm

Marcus50 wrote:
KD35Brah wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/vgoodwill/status/617410192632885248[/tweet]

If this is the case, why isn't the deal done already?


Given that is pretty much a max contract sounds a bit dodgy

Agreed, seems like bull considering he's a random chicago Bulls writer.
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Post#735 » by tleikheen » Sun Jul 5, 2015 12:38 am

I'm watching NBA tv and they interviewed Charles Barkley,1st about Lamarcus Aldridch,
and Barkley picks Spurs,Golden State and OKC as the most dangerous teams in the stacked Western Conference and saying *the most scariest team being OKC IF Durant gets healthy and they resign Enes Kanter*.....wonder why that is when this forum here thinks Kanter should be signed for only 10 million or let him walk,that Adams is better and should start even when he's not a threat offensively,or that singlehandedly Kanter's defense is the cause /reason for OKC's defense woes

I think Charles likes OKC so much is that OKC is a finesse team with Durant,Westbrook ,Ibaka ...and that Kanter brings in the inside presence they've never had ergo ...scary..... with him banging bodies and bringing another dimension to OKC that can be hard for other teams to stop

Didn't hear anything about Kanter's defense.....Guessing because theirs alot of poor defenders in the NBA
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Post#736 » by bondom34 » Sun Jul 5, 2015 12:49 am

tleikheen wrote:I'm watching NBA tv and they interviewed Charles Barkley,1st about Lamarcus Aldridch,
and Barkley picks Spurs,Golden State and OKC as the most dangerous teams in the stacked Western Conference and saying *the most scariest team being OKC IF Durant gets healthy and they resign Enes Kanter*.....wonder why that is when this forum here thinks Kanter should be signed for only 10 million or let him walk,that Adams is better and should start even when he's not a threat offensively,or that singlehandedly Kanter's defense is the cause /reason for OKC's defense woes

I think Charles likes OKC so much is that OKC is a finesse team with Durant,Westbrook ,Ibaka ...and that Kanter brings in the inside presence they've never had ergo ...scary..... with him banging bodies and bringing another dimension to OKC that can be hard for other teams to stop

Didn't hear anything about Kanter's defense.....Guessing because theirs alot of poor defenders in the NBA

Same guy who said no shot Golden State wins the title right?

I felt better when Chuck didn't like OKC's chances.
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Post#737 » by Soonerule » Sun Jul 5, 2015 1:52 am

tleikheen wrote:I'm watching NBA tv and they interviewed Charles Barkley,1st about Lamarcus Aldridch,
and Barkley picks Spurs,Golden State and OKC as the most dangerous teams in the stacked Western Conference and saying *the most scariest team being OKC IF Durant gets healthy and they resign Enes Kanter*.....wonder why that is when this forum here thinks Kanter should be signed for only 10 million or let him walk,that Adams is better and should start even when he's not a threat offensively,or that singlehandedly Kanter's defense is the cause /reason for OKC's defense woes

I think Charles likes OKC so much is that OKC is a finesse team with Durant,Westbrook ,Ibaka ...and that Kanter brings in the inside presence they've never had ergo ...scary..... with him banging bodies and bringing another dimension to OKC that can be hard for other teams to stop

Didn't hear anything about Kanter's defense.....Guessing because theirs alot of poor defenders in the NBA


did you ever come up with that number of charges Kanter has taken in his career?
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Post#738 » by Soonerule » Sun Jul 5, 2015 1:54 am

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tleikheen wrote:I'm watching NBA tv and they interviewed Charles Barkley,1st about Lamarcus Aldridch,
and Barkley picks Spurs,Golden State and OKC as the most dangerous teams in the stacked Western Conference and saying *the most scariest team being OKC IF Durant gets healthy and they resign Enes Kanter*.....wonder why that is when this forum here thinks Kanter should be signed for only 10 million or let him walk,that Adams is better and should start even when he's not a threat offensively,or that singlehandedly Kanter's defense is the cause /reason for OKC's defense woes

I think Charles likes OKC so much is that OKC is a finesse team with Durant,Westbrook ,Ibaka ...and that Kanter brings in the inside presence they've never had ergo ...scary..... with him banging bodies and bringing another dimension to OKC that can be hard for other teams to stop

Didn't hear anything about Kanter's defense.....Guessing because theirs alot of poor defenders in the NBA

Same guy who said no shot Golden State wins the title right?

I felt better when Chuck didn't like OKC's chances.


Same guy that guaranteed OKC would win the championship after the trade and we didn't make the playoffs? I'm with you, it's better if Sir Charles doesn't like your chances.
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Post#739 » by bondom34 » Sun Jul 5, 2015 4:23 am

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tleikheen wrote:I'm watching NBA tv and they interviewed Charles Barkley,1st about Lamarcus Aldridch,
and Barkley picks Spurs,Golden State and OKC as the most dangerous teams in the stacked Western Conference and saying *the most scariest team being OKC IF Durant gets healthy and they resign Enes Kanter*.....wonder why that is when this forum here thinks Kanter should be signed for only 10 million or let him walk,that Adams is better and should start even when he's not a threat offensively,or that singlehandedly Kanter's defense is the cause /reason for OKC's defense woes

I think Charles likes OKC so much is that OKC is a finesse team with Durant,Westbrook ,Ibaka ...and that Kanter brings in the inside presence they've never had ergo ...scary..... with him banging bodies and bringing another dimension to OKC that can be hard for other teams to stop

Didn't hear anything about Kanter's defense.....Guessing because theirs alot of poor defenders in the NBA


did you ever come up with that number of charges Kanter has taken in his career?

I did.

http://www.nbaminer.com/player-foul-details/

The answer is about as bad as you'd think.

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Post#740 » by tleikheen » Sun Jul 5, 2015 4:56 am

did you ever come up with that number of charges Kanter has taken in his career?


who the heck cares ..... why not talk about how many offensive rebounds Kanter fought for under the basket ......if taking charges is suppose to be about toughness and taking one for the team

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