DeAndre Jordan re-signs with the Clippers, DJ rescinds agreement with the Dallas Mavericks

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Re: Clippers lobbying to change DeAndre Jordan's decision 

Post#801 » by Ugly0598 » Wed Jul 8, 2015 8:33 pm

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Rafael122 wrote:I also feel like the moratorium needs to be moved up. Do it a day or two after the draft. Why have free agency begin July 1, but can't officially sign until 8 days later? What are the auditors doing between draft night and July 1 that they can't get it done in a similar fashion?

This. Never understood that myself. Even worse it used to be 2 weeks. All things free agency should be in full force once free agency opens


I don't get the complaining. This is why the moratorium exists in the first place. These guys are making major life changing decisions. If it doesn't feel right to them at any point during the moratorium they should be able to change their minds.

Whether or not he chooses to stay or leave, the system is working as intended. Nothing is official until he signs on the dotted line.


Except most players usually wait to make the right decision and verbally agree to a team that they feel they will AGREE to sign with when July 9th hits.
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Re: Clippers lobbying to change DeAndre Jordan's decision, CP3 & Co. to meet with DJ later today 

Post#802 » by Steelo Green » Wed Jul 8, 2015 8:33 pm

clippertown wrote:There is no ethics in basketball. I think we all realize that now. I felt the clips got screwed by Dallas when DJ left and now I feel that the Mavs are getting screwed by the Clippers twice as much by DJ's change of mind. Its been an odd day from an emotional perspective. It makes you wonder why this is even possible - why negotiate if no deal can be signed? Maybe this week was a fail-safe approved by the owners for players that change their mind. It just boggles the mind at the repercussions.


So if one player does this, which has been done a handful of times in the league, it equates to no ethics in basketball?

Okay.
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Re: Clippers lobbying to change DeAndre Jordan's decision, CP3 & Co. to meet with DJ later today 

Post#803 » by clippertown » Wed Jul 8, 2015 8:33 pm

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Sothron wrote:And yes, if Jordan does this he is also very low class. I'm not sure what you could do punish the player but I'd be open to any suggestion.

I can't see any companies lining up for endorsement deals with him.

"Hi, I'm DeAndre Jordan and I'm telling you to buy Windex, the only thing that cleans the glass better than me. You can trust me when I say something!"

DJ has a building with himself, BG and CP3 plastered in 30 foot high images. He wont have any problems getting endorsement deals in LA. We are the home of the Kardasians after all. Standards are not very high over here and any publicity is good publicity.
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Re: Clippers lobbying to change DeAndre Jordan's decision 

Post#804 » by Ponchos » Wed Jul 8, 2015 8:34 pm

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Ponchos wrote:
Dominater wrote:This. Never understood that myself. Even worse it used to be 2 weeks. All things free agency should be in full force once free agency opens


I don't get the complaining. This is why the moratorium exists in the first place. These guys are making major life changing decisions. If it doesn't feel right to them at any point during the moratorium they should be able to change their minds.

Whether or not he chooses to stay or leave, the system is working as intended. Nothing is official until he signs on the dotted line.


Except that when a free agent commits to a team it also dictates player movement for the rest of the league. Like you don't think the Mavs would have done a S&T for Hibbert if DJ said he wasn't gonna go there? These decisions don't exist in a vacuum.


Too bad so sad. If they had to pressure a player into doing something he ultimately didn't want to do, then I don't feel sorry for the team.

If the Mavs were the right choice for him, they would still be the right choice.
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Re: Clippers lobbying to change DeAndre Jordan's decision 

Post#805 » by Nowitness » Wed Jul 8, 2015 8:37 pm

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PaulieWal wrote:
Ponchos wrote:
I don't get the complaining. This is why the moratorium exists in the first place. These guys are making major life changing decisions. If it doesn't feel right to them at any point during the moratorium they should be able to change their minds.

Whether or not he chooses to stay or leave, the system is working as intended. Nothing is official until he signs on the dotted line.


Except that when a free agent commits to a team it also dictates player movement for the rest of the league. Like you don't think the Mavs would have done a S&T for Hibbert if DJ said he wasn't gonna go there? These decisions don't exist in a vacuum.


Too bad so sad. If they had to pressure a player into doing something he ultimately didn't want to do, then I don't feel sorry for the team.

If the Mavs were the right choice for him, they would still be the right choice.


This isn't high school, you're acting like this was some peer pressure stuff. Jordan should be able to shut everything down and think hard about his choice before he commits to anything.
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Clippers lobbying to change DeAndre Jordan's decision, CP3 & Co. to meet with DJ later today 

Post#806 » by Mr B » Wed Jul 8, 2015 8:37 pm

If Parsons really wants DJ on his team he needs to show up to the meeting tonight with a flock of white girls.
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Re: Clippers lobbying to change DeAndre Jordan's decision 

Post#807 » by PaulieWal » Wed Jul 8, 2015 8:37 pm

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PaulieWal wrote:
Ponchos wrote:
I don't get the complaining. This is why the moratorium exists in the first place. These guys are making major life changing decisions. If it doesn't feel right to them at any point during the moratorium they should be able to change their minds.

Whether or not he chooses to stay or leave, the system is working as intended. Nothing is official until he signs on the dotted line.


Except that when a free agent commits to a team it also dictates player movement for the rest of the league. Like you don't think the Mavs would have done a S&T for Hibbert if DJ said he wasn't gonna go there? These decisions don't exist in a vacuum.


Too bad so sad. If they had to pressure a player into doing something he ultimately didn't want to do, then I don't feel sorry for the team.

If the Mavs were the right choice for him, they would still be the right choice.


:lol:

Yeah, they pressured a 26 year old into agreeing on an $80 mil contract.

Your logic here doesn't make much sense. With his indecision he cost them a chance to get either Hibbert or Lopez.

I am not a Dallas fan BTW but players shouldn't be able to give verbal commitments and then back out. You can destroy a team's short-term future like that.
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Re: Clippers lobbying to change DeAndre Jordan's decision, CP3 & Co. to meet with DJ later today 

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Re: Clippers lobbying to change DeAndre Jordan's decision, CP3 & Co. to meet with DJ later today 

Post#809 » by HEDOBALL » Wed Jul 8, 2015 8:38 pm

I've coined a new phrase for this event.

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Post#810 » by Ponchos » Wed Jul 8, 2015 8:39 pm

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Ponchos wrote:
Dominater wrote:This. Never understood that myself. Even worse it used to be 2 weeks. All things free agency should be in full force once free agency opens


I don't get the complaining. This is why the moratorium exists in the first place. These guys are making major life changing decisions. If it doesn't feel right to them at any point during the moratorium they should be able to change their minds.

Whether or not he chooses to stay or leave, the system is working as intended. Nothing is official until he signs on the dotted line.


Except most players usually wait to make the right decision and verbally agree to a team that they feel they will AGREE to sign with when July 9th hits.


Sure most will. What's your point?
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Re: Clippers lobbying to change DeAndre Jordan's decision, CP3 & Co. to meet with DJ later today 

Post#811 » by clippertown » Wed Jul 8, 2015 8:39 pm

RaptorsFTL wrote:
clippertown wrote:There is no ethics in basketball. I think we all realize that now. I felt the clips got screwed by Dallas when DJ left and now I feel that the Mavs are getting screwed by the Clippers twice as much by DJ's change of mind. Its been an odd day from an emotional perspective. It makes you wonder why this is even possible - why negotiate if no deal can be signed? Maybe this week was a fail-safe approved by the owners for players that change their mind. It just boggles the mind at the repercussions.


So if one player does this, which has been done a handful of times in the league, it equates to no ethics in basketball?

Okay.

Its not one player, its the background scene that has me concerned. How did it ever come to pass that an agent would demand that a team trade their superstar for a resigning. How often does this happen? Its the collusion and recruiting that is obviously a pretty intense emotional experience. Every team is trying to win and every player is trying to make money, but at the end of the day, the ethical character of the entire NBA is in question today. Who knows what the next revelation will be from this debacle.
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Post#812 » by Ponchos » Wed Jul 8, 2015 8:41 pm

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Ponchos wrote:
PaulieWal wrote:
Except that when a free agent commits to a team it also dictates player movement for the rest of the league. Like you don't think the Mavs would have done a S&T for Hibbert if DJ said he wasn't gonna go there? These decisions don't exist in a vacuum.


Too bad so sad. If they had to pressure a player into doing something he ultimately didn't want to do, then I don't feel sorry for the team.

If the Mavs were the right choice for him, they would still be the right choice.


:lol:

Yeah, they pressured a 26 year old into agreeing on an $80 mil contract.

Your logic here doesn't make much sense. With his indecision he cost them a chance to get either Hibbert or Lopez.

I am not a Dallas fan BTW but players shouldn't be able to give verbal commitments and then back out. You can destroy a team's short-term future like that.


The only agreement that counts in the NBA is a signed one. Dallas understands this. If they want to avoid the risk of a player backing out, they have the choice to wait until the moratorium period is over before talking to free agents.

They could've let DJ know they were interested, and asked him to wait a week before meeting with them. The Mavs chose not to and accepted the risks that are well known to them.
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Re: Clippers lobbying to change DeAndre Jordan's decision, CP3 & Co. to meet with DJ later today 

Post#813 » by EntropyPR » Wed Jul 8, 2015 8:41 pm

clippertown wrote:
RaptorsFTL wrote:
clippertown wrote:There is no ethics in basketball. I think we all realize that now. I felt the clips got screwed by Dallas when DJ left and now I feel that the Mavs are getting screwed by the Clippers twice as much by DJ's change of mind. Its been an odd day from an emotional perspective. It makes you wonder why this is even possible - why negotiate if no deal can be signed? Maybe this week was a fail-safe approved by the owners for players that change their mind. It just boggles the mind at the repercussions.


So if one player does this, which has been done a handful of times in the league, it equates to no ethics in basketball?

Okay.

Its not one player, its the background scene that has me concerned. How did it ever come to pass that an agent would demand that a team trade their superstar for a resigning. How often does this happen? Its the collusion and recruiting that is obviously a pretty intense emotional experience. Every team is trying to win and every player is trying to make money, but at the end of the day, the ethical character of the entire NBA is in question today. Who knows what the next revelation will be from this debacle.


This has already been said to be false. If you are gonna mention stuff that is happening at least be up-to-date.
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Post#814 » by AirP. » Wed Jul 8, 2015 8:41 pm

How big of a problem would this be if the team backed out at the last second and a max FA no longer had any options to sign for the max anywhere?
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Re: Clippers lobbying to change DeAndre Jordan's decision, CP3 & Co. to meet with DJ later today 

Post#816 » by Ponchos » Wed Jul 8, 2015 8:42 pm

clippertown wrote:
RaptorsFTL wrote:
clippertown wrote:There is no ethics in basketball. I think we all realize that now. I felt the clips got screwed by Dallas when DJ left and now I feel that the Mavs are getting screwed by the Clippers twice as much by DJ's change of mind. Its been an odd day from an emotional perspective. It makes you wonder why this is even possible - why negotiate if no deal can be signed? Maybe this week was a fail-safe approved by the owners for players that change their mind. It just boggles the mind at the repercussions.


So if one player does this, which has been done a handful of times in the league, it equates to no ethics in basketball?

Okay.

Its not one player, its the background scene that has me concerned. How did it ever come to pass that an agent would demand that a team trade their superstar for a resigning. How often does this happen? Its the collusion and recruiting that is obviously a pretty intense emotional experience. Every team is trying to win and every player is trying to make money, but at the end of the day, the ethical character of the entire NBA is in question today. Who knows what the next revelation will be from this debacle.


I think you may need to relax a bit. It's just normal business.
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Re: Clippers lobbying to change DeAndre Jordan's decision, CP3 & Co. to meet with DJ later today 

Post#817 » by Preacha » Wed Jul 8, 2015 8:42 pm

This ridiculous... It doesn't matter though because the Clippers will always find a way to screw it up. I have complete confidence in that.
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Post#818 » by Ponchos » Wed Jul 8, 2015 8:45 pm

AirP. wrote:How big of a problem would this be if the team backed out at the last second and a max FA no longer had any options to sign for the max anywhere?


It would be bad but completely legal.

There will be ramifications because of a hit to their reputation, but if they want to accept that then what's the issue?
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Post#819 » by alabamawolf » Wed Jul 8, 2015 8:46 pm

Ponchos wrote:
PaulieWal wrote:
Ponchos wrote:
I don't get the complaining. This is why the moratorium exists in the first place. These guys are making major life changing decisions. If it doesn't feel right to them at any point during the moratorium they should be able to change their minds.

Whether or not he chooses to stay or leave, the system is working as intended. Nothing is official until he signs on the dotted line.


Except that when a free agent commits to a team it also dictates player movement for the rest of the league. Like you don't think the Mavs would have done a S&T for Hibbert if DJ said he wasn't gonna go there? These decisions don't exist in a vacuum.


Too bad so sad. If they had to pressure a player into doing something he ultimately didn't want to do, then I don't feel sorry for the team.

If the Mavs were the right choice for him, they would still be the right choice.

Deandre is a grown man so he wasn't pressured into anything. If he chooses to go back to LA then he really screwed over the Mavs.
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Re: Clippers lobbying to change DeAndre Jordan's decision 

Post#820 » by PaulieWal » Wed Jul 8, 2015 8:46 pm

Ponchos wrote:
PaulieWal wrote:
Ponchos wrote:
Too bad so sad. If they had to pressure a player into doing something he ultimately didn't want to do, then I don't feel sorry for the team.

If the Mavs were the right choice for him, they would still be the right choice.


:lol:

Yeah, they pressured a 26 year old into agreeing on an $80 mil contract.

Your logic here doesn't make much sense. With his indecision he cost them a chance to get either Hibbert or Lopez.

I am not a Dallas fan BTW but players shouldn't be able to give verbal commitments and then back out. You can destroy a team's short-term future like that.


The only agreement that counts in the NBA is a signed one. Dallas understands this. If they want to avoid the risk of a player backing out, they have the choice to wait until the moratorium period is over before talking to free agents.

They could've let DJ know they were interested, and asked him to wait a week before meeting with them. The Mavs chose not to and accepted the risks that are well known to them.


Yeah, your idea makes complete sense. Teams should just not talk to free agents until July 9th. I also think the teams should offer contracts to multiple players and then choose the one they prefer on the 9th.
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