Question: How Do We Feel About Mickeys Spending?

[Shewasfly]

I have no problem with him not signing someone in order to keep out of the tax bill. I only have a problem if he is trading players away for tax considerations. If he basically moves Bird and Rio just to save on his bill - which is to the detriment of the team I think that's bad. If he trades them for a player of greater need then I have no problem.

No reason to get into repeater tax this year in order to retain Bird and Chalmers. The clock restarts next year and we can go well into the luxury tax without paying triple. It just comes down to smart business.

As a businessman I understand financial responsibility but as a Miami Heat fan I can't accept dumping bird and Rio for tax reasons.

Dumping them makes us a worse team and wastes another year of Wade's career (and every other Heat player). I want us to contend for the East which we can and should. If we don't upgrade on Rio and Bird I want them in.

Completely agree. I don't see why I as a Miami Heat fan should be happy with seeing a worse team on the floor because it's "smart business" for the owner. I don't care about the owner's money, period. He is a billionaire. I want him to spend whatever he needs to to put a good product on the floor.

[3ballbomber]

I think it only makes sense to go way over the luxury tax if we have a team that is a true contender. That remains to be proven. I doubt if Mickey Arison would have a problem spending if it is for the right player, but going into the luxury tax to bring in Jamal Crawford (as some here have suggested) is just stupid. It doesn't matter whether it's your money or not. It's stupid and doesn't make the team better.

That is what Cavs are currently doing. Though we laugh at all the spending they are doing.....they are building a team simply because they are in win now mode. Their motto after all was 'All In'.

I think if we were in the same situation we would be spending also to help bolster our bench......so it's evident to me that, and as i've stated before, we are merely competing this season. Riles master plan is 2016 and his moves are all pointing towards that.

Unless we all of a sudden make a big move sometime during the offseason i'm sticking w/ the theory that we are competing this season and contending in 2016.

[RexBoyWonder]

It's not a black or white issue. It's finding the reasonable shade of gray :

1) Salary dumping Mcbob would save a lot of money - but I'm strongly against it because it will really hurt the team. We won't be able to find a suitable replacement and we need his skillset. Plus he's a long term asset.

2) Salary dumping Birdman would save a lot of money (25+Mil considering tax) - and I'm totally ok with it because it won't really impact the team. We might actually be better off with a young C that plays for the minimum. Bird is retiring next year anyway.

3) Salary dumping Rio would also save a lot of money - And I'm ok with that too. Mainly because I don't think we need him. If you're not convinced he should be playing more then TJ, Napier, Richardson, Zoran - then he's not worth the 20 Mil he's gonna cost. If we didn't have those 4 guys, I might have felt differently.

To sum up - Keep Mcbob, and then do whatever you need to do. Paying 20+Mil in order to keep marginal impact players is not something I expect from any owner. I expect to do whatever it takes to keep the core players, Which Mickey did with Wade and Goran and hopefully Mcbob.

[HIF]

It's not a black or white issue. It's finding the reasonable shade of gray :

1) Salary dumping Mcbob would save a lot of money - but I'm strongly against it because it will really hurt the team. We won't be able to find a suitable replacement and we need his skillset. Plus he's a long term asset.

2) Salary dumping Birdman would save a lot of money (25+Mil considering tax) - and I'm totally ok with it because it won't really impact the team. We might actually be better off with a young C that plays for the minimum. Bird is retiring next year anyway.

3) Salary dumping Rio would also save a lot of money - And I'm ok with that too. Mainly because I don't think we need him. If you're not convinced he should be playing more then TJ, Napier, Richardson, Zoran - then he's not worth the 20 Mil he's gonna cost. If we didn't have those 4 guys, I might have felt differently.

To sum up - Keep Mcbob, and then do whatever you need to do. Paying 20+Mil in order to keep marginal impact players is not something I expect from any owner. I expect to do whatever it takes to keep the core players, Which Mickey did with Wade and Goran and hopefully Mcbob.

Zoran isn't worth what he's making let alone the 4m (considering tax).

I'd rather play Rio than Zoran or Napier.

This idea of saying Bird costs 25M+ is disingenuous, the tax burden is actually more due to Bosh, Wade, Goran isn't it? and by your logic we're paying Zoran and Napier an incredible amount to be spot filling bench warmers.

[RexBoyWonder]

It's not a black or white issue. It's finding the reasonable shade of gray :

1) Salary dumping Mcbob would save a lot of money - but I'm strongly against it because it will really hurt the team. We won't be able to find a suitable replacement and we need his skillset. Plus he's a long term asset.

2) Salary dumping Birdman would save a lot of money (25+Mil considering tax) - and I'm totally ok with it because it won't really impact the team. We might actually be better off with a young C that plays for the minimum. Bird is retiring next year anyway.

3) Salary dumping Rio would also save a lot of money - And I'm ok with that too. Mainly because I don't think we need him. If you're not convinced he should be playing more then TJ, Napier, Richardson, Zoran - then he's not worth the 20 Mil he's gonna cost. If we didn't have those 4 guys, I might have felt differently.

To sum up - Keep Mcbob, and then do whatever you need to do. Paying 20+Mil in order to keep marginal impact players is not something I expect from any owner. I expect to do whatever it takes to keep the core players, Which Mickey did with Wade and Goran and hopefully Mcbob.

Zoran isn't worth what he's making let alone the 4m (considering tax).

I'd rather play Rio than Zoran or Napier.

This idea of saying Bird costs 25M+ is disingenuous, the tax burden is actually more due to Bosh, Wade, Goran isn't it? and by your logic we're paying Zoran and Napier an incredible amount to be spot filling bench warmers.

Napier and Zoran are making the Minimum or close to it, Birdman and Rio make more then double (triple) and don't have the upside. Plus Zoran is a package deal that comes with Goran.

Bosh and Wade And Dragic are a Given, under these circumstances that's how much Bird and Rio will cost. They're not worth it to us.

[HIF]

It's not a black or white issue. It's finding the reasonable shade of gray :

1) Salary dumping Mcbob would save a lot of money - but I'm strongly against it because it will really hurt the team. We won't be able to find a suitable replacement and we need his skillset. Plus he's a long term asset.

2) Salary dumping Birdman would save a lot of money (25+Mil considering tax) - and I'm totally ok with it because it won't really impact the team. We might actually be better off with a young C that plays for the minimum. Bird is retiring next year anyway.

3) Salary dumping Rio would also save a lot of money - And I'm ok with that too. Mainly because I don't think we need him. If you're not convinced he should be playing more then TJ, Napier, Richardson, Zoran - then he's not worth the 20 Mil he's gonna cost. If we didn't have those 4 guys, I might have felt differently.

To sum up - Keep Mcbob, and then do whatever you need to do. Paying 20+Mil in order to keep marginal impact players is not something I expect from any owner. I expect to do whatever it takes to keep the core players, Which Mickey did with Wade and Goran and hopefully Mcbob.

Zoran isn't worth what he's making let alone the 4m (considering tax).

I'd rather play Rio than Zoran or Napier.

This idea of saying Bird costs 25M+ is disingenuous, the tax burden is actually more due to Bosh, Wade, Goran isn't it? and by your logic we're paying Zoran and Napier an incredible amount to be spot filling bench warmers.

Napier and Zoran are making the Minimum or close to it, Birdman and Rio make more then double (triple) and don't have the upside. Plus Zoran is a package deal that comes with Goran.

Bosh and Wade And Dragic are a Given, under these circumstances that's how much Bird and Rio will cost. They're not worth it to us.

No you're just twisting numbers to suit your facts. In reality they cost the team nothing they cost Micky some tax.

I understand that Zoran is a part of the Goran trade - the money doesn't worry me but the wasted place on the roster does. Zoran's feet are poor defensively, he attacks the basket well and can occasionally hit 3's but I see no time when we'd actually want him on the floor - other than garbage time. Goran had better show he's good enough for two roster spots.

Napier is a little PG who can't defend. He'll always give up more points than he creates and to be honest his PG skills are not that good - he's a PG like a 30% 3 point specialist. I really hope that we can use his "potential" to trade away Bird. It would have been nice to dump Napier on Cleveland but that's not going to happen so anywhere will do me and open up a spot or two for a more useful player to us. He's definitely behind Goran and TJ at the PG spot and with Wade, Richardson and Winslow on the team we don't need a specialist PG at the 3rd PG spot - that's not even mentioning that he's worse than Rio.