PC Board OT thread

[bondom34]

Don't worry, Portland has Kanter's back.

At that price, take him please .

Please keep him. Please? With sugar on top?!

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[GSP]

I dont think Okc should match the offer. I really like Adams and his potential. Kanter has a flashy post game but i dont think he makes a positive impact on games TBH. Okcs offense under Brooks (and defense really post 2010) at least was very rudimentary and all talent based so a post scorer like Kanter could add a dimension for the playoffs but i think we'll see them look alot better this season. Kanters defense is just so bad.................like historically throughout his career he ranks up with some of the worst defensive bigs ever so far. Utah has played their best after he left, their defense skyrocketed and when he got to Okc their defense dropped alot too.........Mitch Mcgary seems like he could be really nice rotation player in the near future. They have Ibaka, Adams, Nick Collison is still one of the best role players at his old age. Theyd have to give up Augustin too who is a really good backup Pg and they need another ball handler

[bondom34]

I don't really want them to, and OKC fans are split. I won't be able to stand the GB either way, and no matter what I realize that next July I won't be online til after KD signs.

[Texas Chuck]

I don't really want them to, and OKC fans are split. I won't be able to stand the GB either way, and no matter what I realize that next July I won't be online til after KD signs.

Match him. He's obviously not worth that contract, but ownership has proven they will spend. Dump Novak and Jones somewhere and that softens the blow this year and with the cap rising next year and then exploding the following its doable.

Also, if you don't want him do you think Presti would want to turn it into a S&T and bring Kaman in for a year for center depth? Or just go sign a street guy? Because you would need another center I thnk.

[bondom34]

I don't really want them to, and OKC fans are split. I won't be able to stand the GB either way, and no matter what I realize that next July I won't be online til after KD signs.

Match him. He's obviously not worth that contract, but ownership has proven they will spend. Dump Novak and Jones somewhere and that softens the blow this year and with the cap rising next year and then exploding the following its doable.

Also, if you don't want him do you think Presti would want to turn it into a S&T and bring Kaman in for a year for center depth? Or just go sign a street guy? Because you would need another center I thnk.

They can't sign and trade now since he signed an offer sheet, I would have taken Kaman honestly but either way I'm just gonna roll with it. I'm not really happy with him on that contract at all as I don't even know if I want him starting but they're kinda stuck. From your reaction on D Will I'm about as happy with this, the only reason I'd be okay with it is because the general board will be even less tolerable.

[Doctor MJ]

Blows my mind that Kanter goes from being a guy who didn't deserve to start on a lottery team, to getting a max offer based on what he showed on another lottery over the course of 26 games. I know big men with actual coordination are always in short supply, but this off-season has been amazing.

[Doctor MJ]

I don't really want them to, and OKC fans are split. I won't be able to stand the GB either way, and no matter what I realize that next July I won't be online til after KD signs.

Match him. He's obviously not worth that contract, but ownership has proven they will spend. Dump Novak and Jones somewhere and that softens the blow this year and with the cap rising next year and then exploding the following its doable.

Also, if you don't want him do you think Presti would want to turn it into a S&T and bring Kaman in for a year for center depth? Or just go sign a street guy? Because you would need another center I thnk.

Yeah, the real answer is they need to ask Durant what he thinks. If he has strong feelings either way about Kanter as a player, they should give him what he prefers. If he doesn't, they need to think really hard about what they think he wants. Appearing cheap is a real possibility and a real reason for Durant to leave. It makes a lot of sense to error on the site of appearing to hustle hard and bet that loyalty will do the rest despite the fact that max'ing Kanter after refusing to do so for Harden will then bookend the book of flaws in Presti's moves in hilarious way.

[bondom34]

I don't really want them to, and OKC fans are split. I won't be able to stand the GB either way, and no matter what I realize that next July I won't be online til after KD signs.

Match him. He's obviously not worth that contract, but ownership has proven they will spend. Dump Novak and Jones somewhere and that softens the blow this year and with the cap rising next year and then exploding the following its doable.

Also, if you don't want him do you think Presti would want to turn it into a S&T and bring Kaman in for a year for center depth? Or just go sign a street guy? Because you would need another center I thnk.

Yeah, the real answer is they need to ask Durant what he thinks. If he has strong feelings either way about Kanter as a player, they should give him what he prefers. If he doesn't, they need to think really hard about what they think he wants. Appearing cheap is a real possibility and a real reason for Durant to leave. It makes a lot of sense to error on the site of appearing to hustle hard and bet that loyalty will do the rest despite the fact that max'ing Kanter after refusing to do so for Harden will then bookend the book of flaws in Presti's moves in hilarious way.

Well, I don't think you can base a current move off a past one, and I really still don't think that's why Harden was moved. That said I agree that's what they need to do now and I think they have to have had that conversation (I don't know what else Durant is talking w/ Presti at at random summer league games otherwise). He seems to be bought into the culture, and I don't think he sees the "cheap" label.

[RSCD3_]

Blows my mind that Kanter goes from being a guy who didn't deserve to start on a lottery team, to getting a max offer based on what he showed on another lottery over the course of 26 games. I know big men with actual coordination are always in short supply, but this off-season has been amazing.

Hey doc what do you think about the heat this upcoming season. They seem to have a lot of quality if they stay healthy

Whiteside/Amare
Bosh/Roberts
Deng/Green
Wade/Winslow
Dragic/Chalmers or Napier

I see a lot of the general board thinking theyll just be a mid tier team aka 43-47 wins but if they all click I can see them being a pretty damn strong team, maybe the best ECF challenger to a lebron led team since the 2011 Chicago Series

Spoiler:

(who had a differential of only -2.2, said lowest number of all their eastern opponents)

What do you think about the Heat?

[E-Balla]

Blows my mind that Kanter goes from being a guy who didn't deserve to start on a lottery team, to getting a max offer based on what he showed on another lottery over the course of 26 games. I know big men with actual coordination are always in short supply, but this off-season has been amazing.

Hey doc what do you think about the heat this upcoming season. They seem to have a lot of quality if they stay healthy

Whiteside/Amare
Bosh/Roberts
Deng/Green
Wade/Winslow
Dragic/Chalmers or Napier

I see a lot of the general board thinking theyll just be a mid tier team aka 43-47 wins but if they all click I can see them being a pretty damn strong team, maybe the best ECF challenger to a lebron led team since the 2011 Chicago Series

Spoiler:

(who had a differential of only -2.2, said lowest number of all their eastern opponents)

What do you think about the Heat?

There is no if they stay healthy with Amare and Wade involved. Miami won't perform to the level you'd expect them to on paper. Winslow is decent, Amare is a good scorer off the bench and terrible in every other way, McBob is fresh off an injury, Bosh is fresh off an injury, Wade is between injuries, Deng is falling off but still a decent starter, Dragic isn't able to work to his full potential without the ball, Whiteside is good but nowhere near as good as his numbers, and they have no SGs outside of D. Wade. It's a strange team in terms of fit and the talent isn't so amazing that they'll work it out anyway and Spo ain't a good coach.

[PaulieWal]

Spo ain't a good coach.

Interesting how opinions can differ so much on a single player/coach sometimes. I think that he's easily a top 6-8 coach and the only coaches I would blindly take over him are Pop, Carlisle, SVG, Stevens and Kerr. After that I think it's all up for a debate.

Especially after watching the Cavs ugly but effective offense this year I have more appreciation than ever for what Spo did with Miami's offense after 2011. And before you say that he could do what he wanted to do on offense because he had Riley behind him, Riley actually was against small ball and wanted Miami to stay big after Bosh went down. Spo went not only against Riley but also against LeBron who by all accounts hated playing the 4. Given Miami's personnel and the talent I think he did a pretty good job offensively and defensively. He did stick with small ball for one year too long and last season was weird but I will give him another season with presumably better health to reevaluate him.

Regarding Miami in general I think they are going to be a top 4 seed in the East and a strong contender for the ECF if they are healthy when the playoffs start. Even if Wade isn't healthy during the season I think they are going to be a good team with Dragic, Bosh, Whiteside. Wade is an excellent off the ball player and after handling so much of it last season I am sure he won't mind giving it up again. It will only benefit him as he will be 34 next season. Top 4 seed with 50ish wins seems like a reasonable prediction to me.

[PaulieWal]

Blows my mind that Kanter goes from being a guy who didn't deserve to start on a lottery team, to getting a max offer based on what he showed on another lottery over the course of 26 games. I know big men with actual coordination are always in short supply, but this off-season has been amazing.

Hey doc what do you think about the heat this upcoming season. They seem to have a lot of quality if they stay healthy

Whiteside/Amare
Bosh/Roberts
Deng/Green
Wade/Winslow
Dragic/Chalmers or Napier

I see a lot of the general board thinking theyll just be a mid tier team aka 43-47 wins but if they all click I can see them being a pretty damn strong team, maybe the best ECF challenger to a lebron led team since the 2011 Chicago Series

Spoiler:

(who had a differential of only -2.2, said lowest number of all their eastern opponents)

What do you think about the Heat?

I know you didn't ask me but I think they win around 50-ish games as a top 4 seed and will be a contender for the ECF if healthy when the playoffs start. I will be very surprised; however, if anybody other than the Cavs represents the East in the Finals.

[E-Balla]

Spo ain't a good coach.

Interesting how opinions can differ so much on a single player/coach sometimes. I think that he's easily a top 6-8 coach and the only coaches I would blindly take over him are Pop, Carlisle, SVG, Stevens and Kerr. After that I think it's all up for a debate.

Especially after watching the Cavs ugly but effective offense this year I have more appreciation than ever for what Spo did with Miami's offense after 2011. And before you say that he could do what he wanted to do on offense because he had Riley behind him, Riley actually was against small ball and wanted Miami to stay big after Bosh went down. Spo went not only against Riley but also against LeBron who by all accounts hated playing the 4. Given Miami's personnel and the talent I think he did a pretty good job offensively and defensively. He did stick with small ball for one year too long and last season was weird but I will give him another season with presumably better health to reevaluate him.

Regarding Miami in general I think they are going to be a top 4 seed in the East and a strong contender for the ECF if they are healthy when the playoffs start. Even if Wade isn't healthy during the season I think they are going to be a good team with Dragic, Bosh, Whiteside. Wade is an excellent off the ball player and after handling so much of it last season I am sure he won't mind giving it up again. It will only benefit him as he will be 34 next season. Top 4 seed with 50ish wins seems like a reasonable prediction to me.

To me Spo is just average. You'd take him over Jason Kidd, Horny, and Stotts?

[PaulieWal]

To me Spo is just average. You'd take him over Jason Kidd, Horny, and Stotts?

I can be talked into Kidd over him but not Horny and Stotts.

All 3 are good coaches mind you, but I am sold on Spo making offensive and defensive adjustments with the best players in the league. Those 3 can probably do it too but I am not sure they are better than him.

A different take on Kidd.....I am not sure if I would ever feel comfortable with him as my coach. He seems the kinda guy who would be like a George Karl and push for his own players and trades. He already tried to go after Bill King's job only 1 year in as a coach and got himself the Bucks job which is of course a better job. But I didn't think he would bail after 1 year on the job and make a power play right away lol. Kidd also seems the type of guy where if he ever finds a better situation or your team is going through a lean patch he would probably bail.

[E-Balla]

To me Spo is just average. You'd take him over Jason Kidd, Horny, and Stotts?

I can be talked into Kidd over him but not Horny and Stotts.

All 3 are good coaches mind you, but I am sold on Spo making offensive and defensive adjustments with the best players in the league. Those 3 can probably do it too but I am not sure they are better than him.

A different take on Kidd.....I am not sure if I would ever feel comfortable with him as my coach. He seems the kinda guy who would be like a George Karl and push for his own players and trades. He already tried to go after Bill King's job only 1 year in as a coach and got himself the Bucks job which is of course a better job. But I didn't think he would bail after 1 year on the job and make a power play right away lol. Kidd also seems the type of guy where if he ever finds a better situation or your team is going through a lean patch he would probably bail.

Wait, wait... You are taking points from the guy for trying to take control out of Billy King's hands?

And you're taking points off because of what you think he seems like (which he's never done)? I can't agree there but w/e.

Horny IMO is a spectacular coach and Stotts' offensive system is one of the best in the league easily.

[PaulieWal]

To me Spo is just average. You'd take him over Jason Kidd, Horny, and Stotts?

I can be talked into Kidd over him but not Horny and Stotts.

All 3 are good coaches mind you, but I am sold on Spo making offensive and defensive adjustments with the best players in the league. Those 3 can probably do it too but I am not sure they are better than him.

A different take on Kidd.....I am not sure if I would ever feel comfortable with him as my coach. He seems the kinda guy who would be like a George Karl and push for his own players and trades. He already tried to go after Bill King's job only 1 year in as a coach and got himself the Bucks job which is of course a better job. But I didn't think he would bail after 1 year on the job and make a power play right away lol. Kidd also seems the type of guy where if he ever finds a better situation or your team is going through a lean patch he would probably bail.

Wait, wait... You are taking points from the guy for trying to take control out of Billy King's hands?

And you're taking points off because of what you think he seems like (which he's never done)? I can't agree there but w/e.

Horny IMO is a spectacular coach and Stotts' offensive system is one of the best in the league easily.

I am not taking points off as his ability as a coach, I was having a discussion with you and just thinking out loud. In a vacuum I already said I can be talked into ranking him over Spo as a coach.

Again, Billy is probably the worst GM in the league now but as a rookie coach a power play was a bit too much for my liking. I will say that King should be banned from the league .

Yes, Horny and Stotts are both good coaches I agree. Just not sure they are better than Spo for me.

[RSCD3_]

To me Spo is just average. You'd take him over Jason Kidd, Horny, and Stotts?

I can be talked into Kidd over him but not Horny and Stotts.

All 3 are good coaches mind you, but I am sold on Spo making offensive and defensive adjustments with the best players in the league. Those 3 can probably do it too but I am not sure they are better than him.

A different take on Kidd.....I am not sure if I would ever feel comfortable with him as my coach. He seems the kinda guy who would be like a George Karl and push for his own players and trades. He already tried to go after Bill King's job only 1 year in as a coach and got himself the Bucks job which is of course a better job. But I didn't think he would bail after 1 year on the job and make a power play right away lol. Kidd also seems the type of guy where if he ever finds a better situation or your team is going through a lean patch he would probably bail.

Thats billy king though, if he stays as your GM, you'll never be more than 2nd round eastern fodder.

[Texas Chuck]

I think Kidd is a really good coach. Wouldn't trust him at all, but in terms of pure coaching? Yeah I assumed he'd make an outstanding coach and he has nothing doing to make me change my mind.

If I was a GM I'd have to be pretty desperate to hire him though.

[PaulieWal]

I think Kidd is a really good coach. Wouldn't trust him at all, but in terms of pure coaching? Yeah I assumed he'd make an outstanding coach and he has nothing doing to make me change my mind.

If I was a GM I'd have to be pretty desperate to hire him though.

Exactly the point I was making.

Edit: I'd have a lot more respect for Kidd if he didn't accept the Nets job and just waited for the right opportunity rather than going after King's job in his first year regardless of how bad King is as a GM.

[Texas Chuck]

Just trying to support you mate.