Bargnani uses Kings for leverage. Scores minimum deal with Nets.

[SacKingZZZ]

Not a bad idea to round out the bench, which is what he'll be doing. Y'all's whining gets old real fast, especially bringing up irrelevant and dissimilar comparisons like TRob of all people.

But T-Rob didn't get a fair shot! He was never going to get an opportunity buried under the dominance of Jason Thompson!

Got buried behind Aldridge in POR... Got buried behind Noel in Philly.... Now he gets burried behind Bargs in Brooklyn....

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Just in case nobody has noticed, he's turned himself into a decent backup big playing in range of Koufos minutes and putting up in the range of Koufos stats. The Kings still never needed him but the problem was keeping JT and JJ Hickson alongside him. Two very similarly lacking players in the area of need. The excuse was probably trying to win games, and that's whole other story about a coach trying to save his own butt. Anyway.

A lineup with Gay, Cuz, Koufos, Willie, and Bargs means someone in particular or the 3 not named Cuz or Gay are getting the short end somewhere. At least they provide needs though. Koufos and Willie seem like players that can help a team in limited minutes, Bargs would have been the question mark. Is he the type of player that will positively produce in short minutes? It's never really been tested to it was a gamble anyway. Great rebounders and great defenders will usually stay on the even slope of production per 40. Scorers are a different breed and it's why instant offense players off the bench are so valuable in the NBA if a team knows how to use them.

[City of Trees]

Whew! Kings dodged a bullet!

Yeah I dont know how much of a bullet they dodged but there are definitely better options available at PF right now.

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Maybe not for the shooting the Kings can use at PF. I wouldn't mind of the Kings took a bit of a step back and just hung onto that cap space, if there is any for sure and see what this team looks like going into the year. Rather than solidifying an unknown it might be better to give themselves some wiggle room to maneuver should a tweak here or there need to be made. In case someone gets bought out or something during the year the Kings would have advantage in signing them perhaps.

I don't think the Kings can feel comfortable heading into the season with WCS and Moreland as their PF's... If they move Cousins to PF (IMO big mistake) WCS would play C which he'll struggle with Low post D. Kings are better served keeping Koufus backing up Cuz, playing both of them together in spurts, and signing another PF to either start or back up WCS.

Smith brings just as much shooting as Bargs and then some.

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[SacKingZZZ]

Yeah I dont know how much of a bullet they dodged but there are definitely better options available at PF right now.

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Maybe not for the shooting the Kings can use at PF. I wouldn't mind of the Kings took a bit of a step back and just hung onto that cap space, if there is any for sure and see what this team looks like going into the year. Rather than solidifying an unknown it might be better to give themselves some wiggle room to maneuver should a tweak here or there need to be made. In case someone gets bought out or something during the year the Kings would have advantage in signing them perhaps.

I don't think the Kings can feel comfortable heading into the season with WCS and Moreland as their PF's... If they move Cousins to PF (IMO big mistake) WCS would play C which he'll struggle with Low post D. Kings are better served keeping Koufus backing up Cuz, playing both of them together in spurts, and signing another PF to either start or back up WCS.

Smith brings just as much shooting as Bargs and then some.

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It doesn't matter what you call it, Cauley-Stein will be chasing down PF's and Cuz will stay inside. I would hope at least. Keeping Cuz near the basket defensively should be common sense if he replicates the defense he played down there last year. We haven't heard anything to suggest that Gay won't still be playing most of his minutes at PF as well.

If Cauley-Stein as a high lotto junior who is supposedly a great fit next to Cuz can't fill that fairly basic role then it's probably better to know now than later. Time to start seeing that jumper in use now though. No more of this post up crap in summer league Welch.

Smith does fit in many ways too, but why hasn't that been done yet if it's a realistic possibility?

[gustofwind]

Yeah I dont know how much of a bullet they dodged but there are definitely better options available at PF right now.

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Maybe not for the shooting the Kings can use at PF. I wouldn't mind of the Kings took a bit of a step back and just hung onto that cap space, if there is any for sure and see what this team looks like going into the year. Rather than solidifying an unknown it might be better to give themselves some wiggle room to maneuver should a tweak here or there need to be made. In case someone gets bought out or something during the year the Kings would have advantage in signing them perhaps.

I don't think the Kings can feel comfortable heading into the season with WCS and Moreland as their PF's... If they move Cousins to PF (IMO big mistake) WCS would play C which he'll struggle with Low post D. Kings are better served keeping Koufus backing up Cuz, playing both of them together in spurts, and signing another PF to either start or back up WCS.

Smith brings just as much shooting as Bargs and then some.

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Maybe Smith could help, but I was under the impression Karl wanted to play Gay at power forward significant minutes. If so, they might be fine the way they are. Then again, not sure if that's a good idea.

[teerfour+40LG]

The good news about this twist is that Rondo, Gay, and Cousins would be a lot happier playing with Josh Smith than they would playing with Bargnani.

[gustofwind]

The good news about this twist is that Rondo, Gay, and Cousins would be a lot happier playing with Josh Smith than they would playing with Bargnani.

At first I thought he seemed like a talented guy to bring off your bench, and I thought the general board was knocking us because the Kings are an easy target. But I've never seen RealGM express so much negativity about a player. Maybe the guy really wasn't worth it. His rebounding numbers - 5 a game during his peak years as a starter - are pretty shocking for a 7 footer after all.

Can't Vlade bring in some young European stud PF with range? I thought he had the Sixers draft a couple.

By the way, not cool if Bargnani pulled a DeAndre.

[Fola314]

Are we sure this "offer" even happened? Other signings weren't leaked until an agreement was made. I would like to know the truth on whether we made these 4/64 Matthews or max Harris offers etc. It benefits these players for their agents to leak that x team is "interested" so that other teams will step up to the plate or increase their offers.

Anyway Bargs would've been fine for cheap, but whatever. Since its the NBA we can assume that one of our core bigs will get hurt for some portion of the season. I'd prefer a 4th/5th big who can play defense and bring energy for 10-20 minutes if necessary. Acy, Hayes, Withey or someone like that I would be fine with if it was 1-2m $.

[Kings2013]

The fact we went hard after Bargs makes me think Smith may be out of range

I don't know if I agree with the topic. He used the Kings for leverage for a min deal?

[SacKingZZZ]

Are we sure this "offer" even happened? Other signings weren't leaked until an agreement was made. I would like to know the truth on whether we made these 4/64 Matthews or max Harris offers etc. It benefits these players for their agents to leak that x team is "interested" so that other teams will step up to the plate or increase their offers.

Anyway Bargs would've been fine for cheap, but whatever. Since its the NBA we can assume that one of our core bigs will get hurt for some portion of the season. I'd prefer a 4th/5th big who can play defense and bring energy for 10-20 minutes if necessary. Acy, Hayes, Withey or someone like that I would be fine with if it was 1-2m $.

True, but hasn't Stein been the main source out of the Kings stuff recently? It's like Woj went dark in regards to the Kings.

[SacTown Kings]

The fact we went hard after Bargs makes me think Smith may be out of range

I don't know if I agree with the topic. He used the Kings for leverage for a min deal?

Yeah exactly. If he did use us as leverage it didn't work. I would think if you use someone as leverage you would drive your price up, not down to the lowest it can possibly be lol.

[gustofwind]

Are we sure this "offer" even happened? Other signings weren't leaked until an agreement was made. I would like to know the truth on whether we made these 4/64 Matthews or max Harris offers etc. It benefits these players for their agents to leak that x team is "interested" so that other teams will step up to the plate or increase their offers.

Anyway Bargs would've been fine for cheap, but whatever. Since its the NBA we can assume that one of our core bigs will get hurt for some portion of the season. I'd prefer a 4th/5th big who can play defense and bring energy for 10-20 minutes if necessary. Acy, Hayes, Withey or someone like that I would be fine with if it was 1-2m $.

True, but hasn't Stein been the main source out of the Kings stuff recently? It's like Woj went dark in regards to the Kings.

These are valid concerns.

Stein (and ESPN in general) is not trustworthy as a Kings news source. Instead reporting the facts behind the Kings internal strife between Cousins and Karl, he first framed the story as: "Lakers seek Cousins." Which is both bizarre, utterly beside the point, and promotes the LA market in a predatory manner to at the cost of Sacramento's dignity. Even if the Lakers wanted Cousins, that's not news. Might as well report Kings seek "LeBron James." As if that mattered if the Cavs weren't trading him. It's going to take a long time for me to trust him (and ESPN) again on the Kings.

Obviously, since that "Report," numerous other reports (including Sports Illustrated, CBS Sportsline) have said
1) Kings were never seriously interested in trading Cousins (it was either Fegan, Karl or no one at all).
2) Lakers never made a serious offer for Cousins according to Kupchak.

most importantly of all

3) The main issue with the Kings was internal strife (which Vlade is now looking to resolve). How in the world the national media framed that as "Lakers look to steal star for nothing from hapless franchise" is one of the most distasteful pieces of sports journalism I have ever read. The fact that ESPN even put that on their website still make me shudder.

If we're to believe Stein and ESPN, Bargnani changed his mind at the very last second. Not sure we should believe that.

Maybe Vlade is ignoring the national media and ESPN is just reaching because the Kings have suddenly become fun drama for the rest of the league. Not sure that's a backhanded compliment, morbid fascination, or genuine interest.

[City of Trees]

The title of this thread is stupid now. Leverage for a minimum contract. MINIMUM CONTRACT!

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[SacKingZZZ]

Yeah really, it makes no sense. If this is true is most likely that yes, he was told he'd have to be 4th or 5th in line and he said thanks but no thanks.

[Scott Hall]

Congrats on the news guys

[blind prophet]

This thread title is hilarious, 5 stars.

[ICMTM]

Brooklyn is a better fit for him! Good move on his part.

[SactownHrtBrks8]

How did he use us as leverage? It makes a lot of sense for him to go to Brooklyn when he is already probably living in New York.


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