Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

[Sunsdeuce]

To be fair, Jordan is also a narcissistic a-hole. I'm not sure if it's the passage of time, the 6 rings, GOAT status, the Twitter effect, or some other factor, but Jordan tends to get a pass for doing the same things for which Kobe gets lambasted. Kobe's personality is modeled after his idol, MJ. Your point about Kobe quitting on the Lakers, however, is fair. And it's something I cannot imagine Jordan ever doing.

Actually mike dantoni was kobe's idol growing up (hence his #8 jersey). Jordan is going to get a pass regardless, Chicago got bounced soon as Jordan left (both times). I grew up watching Jordan and there was a huge difference between Jordan and Kobe. Jordan had the respect of his teammates, Kobe never did. Plus kobe rode the coat tails of the great players he had (Shaq in his prime (probably most dominant player ever) and Gasol (dominat and in prime)and bynum (Bynum was a beast when he was in LaLa land). I'm sorry but Kobe is Wilkins except having MVP caliber players around him. All Kobe ever was is a chucker with great players around him.

Btw: why the hell are we talking about Kobe? Let the bandwagon lakers fans reminisce about him. That's all they got now. I can give a **** about Kobe. Let Kobe rot in laker hell.

Pippen was better than anything he had post Shaq. In fact Pippen nearly won MVP in 94' when Jordan retired and Chicago won 55 games. When MJ didn't have great teammates he was bounced in the first round repeatedly. I think Jordan is the GOAT but contrary to popular belief he didn't do it all himself.

I agree Jordan had help (Horace, rodman) but there is no way in hell I would take Pippen over a prime Gasol or Shaq. Pippen was one of the best small forwards of all time but he did not have the ability to "take over" a game. He was what he was, a GREAT #2.

Yeah Chicago won 55 games after Jordan left but no one considered them contenders. In fact the year after that they nearly missed the playoffs (until Jordan decided to come back midway through).

[Cutter]

I wonder if this was directed at the Suns?

Can someone translate this?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/TonyWarrenJr/status/604117579905552384[/tweet]

Thanks NTB.

Wonder what the context of this tweet is? Why is he referencing being treated like a transaction? Sounds like he could be repeating what he hears from the Morri, but I really have no idea.

[DirtyDez]

Actually mike dantoni was kobe's idol growing up (hence his #8 jersey). Jordan is going to get a pass regardless, Chicago got bounced soon as Jordan left (both times). I grew up watching Jordan and there was a huge difference between Jordan and Kobe. Jordan had the respect of his teammates, Kobe never did. Plus kobe rode the coat tails of the great players he had (Shaq in his prime (probably most dominant player ever) and Gasol (dominat and in prime)and bynum (Bynum was a beast when he was in LaLa land). I'm sorry but Kobe is Wilkins except having MVP caliber players around him. All Kobe ever was is a chucker with great players around him.

Btw: why the hell are we talking about Kobe? Let the bandwagon lakers fans reminisce about him. That's all they got now. I can give a **** about Kobe. Let Kobe rot in laker hell.

Pippen was better than anything he had post Shaq. In fact Pippen nearly won MVP in 94' when Jordan retired and Chicago won 55 games. When MJ didn't have great teammates he was bounced in the first round repeatedly. I think Jordan is the GOAT but contrary to popular belief he didn't do it all himself.

I agree Jordan had help (Horace, rodman) but there is no way in hell I would take Pippen over a prime Gasol or Shaq. Pippen was one of the best small forwards of all time but he did not have the ability to "take over" a game. He was what he was, a GREAT #2.

Yeah Chicago won 55 games after Jordan left but no one considered them contenders. In fact the year after that they nearly missed the playoffs (until Jordan decided to come back midway through).

Michael Jordan retired before the 1993–94 season, due to the death of his father James R. Jordan, Sr., and in his absence Pippen emerged from Jordan's shadow. That year, he earned All-Star Game MVP honors and led the Bulls in scoring, assists, and blocks, and was second in the NBA in steals per game, averaging 22.0 points, 8.7 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 2.9 steals, and 0.8 blocks per game, while shooting 49.1% from the field and a career-best 32% from the 3-point line. For his efforts, he earned the first of three straight All-NBA First Team selections, First Team All Defense selections and he finished third in MVP voting. The Bulls finished the season with 55 wins, only two fewer than the year before.

[letsgosuns]

Okay I just did some research on the exact quote Warren tweeted. This is a perfect example of why I hate social media and people need to stop paying attention to little things like this that have nothing to do with anything. Warren's exact quote was, "If you treat me like a person and not a transaction, we'll be alright." He posted that tweet at 7:50 p.m. on May 28. Earlier that same day, on May 28, a man by the name of Archie Davis posted that identical quote at 12:50 a.m., a long time before Warren posted his. https://twitter.com/archdvs/status/603830601024569344

Who is Archie Davis? He is the manager of an artist named Dom Kennedy. If you scroll through Warren's twitter profile, you will see he is obviously a huge fan of Dom Kennedy. Chances are that Warren follows Davis' account, saw that quote that day, liked it, and posted it on his own account. Now unless you are in Warren's brain or spoke to him personally, no one has a clue as to what his motivation was to post this quote other than at that moment he liked the quote enough to post it.

So my suggestion is to stop speculating on pointless things like this that get posted through social media.

[WeekapaugGroove]

People talk about Bron befitting from a weak east which is true. But you never really hear about Jordan benifiting from a series of things that drove down competition in his era.

It was the expansion era so teams were much thinner than the bird magic era. Plus it was the full on coke problem that ran rampant in the NBA and got guys like Tarpley kicked out of the league. Reggie Lewis, hank gathers, and len bias died; those were all NBA talents that would have changed the completion of the league. Bird got hurt and magic got aids which ended their careers a little early. And if Ralph Sampson stays healthy him and Hakeem would have been a crazy hard finals competitor.

Maybe Jordan still gets his 6 rings but the road would have been much harder.


Side note- Hakeem is under rated. You never hear him talked about as a top 10 all timer but he belongs in that conversation. The dream was just such a complete two way player who I think would be more appreciated in today's NBA.

[Saberestar]

Can someone translate this?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/TonyWarrenJr/status/604117579905552384[/tweet]

Thanks NTB.

Wonder what the context of this tweet is? Why is he referencing being treated like a transaction? Sounds like he could be repeating what he hears from the Morri, but I really have no idea.

Don't worry, he is not talking about the Suns.
It was part of a song that he likes or something like that.
We talked about that some months ago

[thamadkant]

People talk about Bron befitting from a weak east which is true. But you never really hear about Jordan benifiting from a series of things that drove down competition in his era.

It was the expansion era so teams were much thinner than the bird magic era. Plus it was the full on coke problem that ran rampant in the NBA and got guys like Tarpley kicked out of the league. Reggie Lewis, hank gathers, and len bias died; those were all NBA talents that would have changed the completion of the league. Bird got hurt and magic got aids which ended their careers a little early. And if Ralph Sampson stays healthy him and Hakeem would have been a crazy hard finals competitor.

Maybe Jordan still gets his 6 rings but the road would have been much harder.


Side note- Hakeem is under rated. You never hear him talked about as a top 10 all timer but he belongs in that conversation. The dream was just such a complete two way player who I think would be more appreciated in today's NBA.

A lot of people (older) on the GB acknowledge Hakeem and Robinson even Ewing, Mourning, Mutombo would dominate today.

Hakeem, Robinson would clearly be the top 2 most sought after player Today. With Ewing being top 7, a better Cousins. Mourning would be ranked around Howard is and Mutombo would be considered a top 15-17 player with his 15/14/4 stats... All golden era center would be getting over 100 million in the new cap. Include Shaq and you have 5 big men near 180 million for 5 years in that same cap environment.

Hakeem/Robinson would be the superior version of Davis. As they are bigger better inside players, rebounders and defensively.

Lebron, Durant, Davis, Harden, Curry would be competing for the top 5 after Hakeem, Robinson.

As both will produce 25ppg, 12-13rpg, 3-4bpg, 1.5spg, 3-4apg.... As both have mid range, post and finishing abilities. Would be insanely productive.

[bwgood77]

Anyone see this a few months back?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you treat me like a person and not a transaction, we&#39;ll be alright.</p>&mdash; TJ Warren (@TonyWarrenJr) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyWarrenJr/status/604117579905552384">May 29, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I wonder if this was directed at the Suns?

Can someone translate this?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/TonyWarrenJr/status/604117579905552384[/tweet]

However, this was posted 17 hours before and TJ follows this guy.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/archdvs/status/603830601024569344[/tweet]

[bwgood77]

Actually mike dantoni was kobe's idol growing up (hence his #8 jersey). Jordan is going to get a pass regardless, Chicago got bounced soon as Jordan left (both times). I grew up watching Jordan and there was a huge difference between Jordan and Kobe. Jordan had the respect of his teammates, Kobe never did. Plus kobe rode the coat tails of the great players he had (Shaq in his prime (probably most dominant player ever) and Gasol (dominat and in prime)and bynum (Bynum was a beast when he was in LaLa land). I'm sorry but Kobe is Wilkins except having MVP caliber players around him. All Kobe ever was is a chucker with great players around him.

Btw: why the hell are we talking about Kobe? Let the bandwagon lakers fans reminisce about him. That's all they got now. I can give a **** about Kobe. Let Kobe rot in laker hell.

Pippen was better than anything he had post Shaq. In fact Pippen nearly won MVP in 94' when Jordan retired and Chicago won 55 games. When MJ didn't have great teammates he was bounced in the first round repeatedly. I think Jordan is the GOAT but contrary to popular belief he didn't do it all himself.

I agree Jordan had help (Horace, rodman) but there is no way in hell I would take Pippen over a prime Gasol or Shaq. Pippen was one of the best small forwards of all time but he did not have the ability to "take over" a game. He was what he was, a GREAT #2.

Yeah Chicago won 55 games after Jordan left but no one considered them contenders. In fact the year after that they nearly missed the playoffs (until Jordan decided to come back midway through).

No one may have thought they would be contenders, but they were. The Knicks and Hawks only won two more games. They took the Knicks to game 7 and the Knicks took the Rockets to game 7. They were awfully close and VERY good. They were actually closer to winning it all that year than the following year, when Jordan actually came back for the playoffs.

[Fo-Real]

RAR RAY?!?! or anyone with any kind of inside sources have any idea if our offseason is done, or is there another possible move out there? If there was another potential move it obviously have to include Kjef and Tucker. Not that I am wishing or hopeing... all of you diehard kief shields, just want to know if the FO thinks they are done for now.

[thamadkant]

RAR RAY?!?! or anyone with any kind of inside sources have any idea if our offseason is done, or is there another possible move out there? If there was another potential move it obviously have to include Kjef and Tucker. Not that I am wishing or hopeing... all of you diehard kief shields, just want to know if the FO thinks they are done for now.

I think there will be trades... still a good 4-5 months before the season starts.

Players are on holidays, some agents too.

Warren, Weems, Teletovic... players who will get minutes at the SF/PF spots... suggests that its possible to move Kieff, Tucker on the right deal.

[Kerrsed]

The Suns made TMZ! LMAO.



http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/19/phoenix-suns-to-fan-we-didnt-hit-on-your-wife-but-heres-free-tix/

[Fo-Real]

Man, if you guys keep treating me like a transaction, we gon have a problem. Im clutch, like Kobe, Jordan and Bron...... kidding, the convos on this board lately are wrestling for control in my head. Lol

[Fo-Real]

The Suns made TMZ! LMAO.



http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/19/phoenix-suns-to-fan-we-didnt-hit-on-your-wife-but-heres-free-tix/

DEEPTHROAT?!?!

[Fo-Real]

Someone gettin fired

[saintEscaton]

The Suns made TMZ! LMAO.



http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/19/phoenix-suns-to-fan-we-didnt-hit-on-your-wife-but-heres-free-tix/

DEEPTHROAT?!?!

Formerly known as Amin Elhassan

[alldayeveryday]

The Suns made TMZ! LMAO.



http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/19/phoenix-suns-to-fan-we-didnt-hit-on-your-wife-but-heres-free-tix/

DEEPTHROAT?!?!

Formerly known as Amin Elhassan

Off topic ::

Amin Elhassan and the rest of the clowns at ESPN are a joke.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/481436682244214784[/tweet]

(ESPN has been criticized in media circles over the years for attributing reports from people like Wojnarowski, Jay Glazer, Dan Wetzel, and Mike Silver as “media reports” as opposed to giving credit to the outlet.)

[saintEscaton]

DEEPTHROAT?!?!

Formerly known as Amin Elhassan

Off topic ::

Amin Elhassan and the rest of the clowns at ESPN are a joke.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/481436682244214784[/tweet]

(ESPN has been criticized in media circles over the years for attributing reports from people like Wojnarowski, Jay Glazer, Dan Wetzel, and Mike Silver as “media reports” as opposed to giving credit to the outlet.)

Yup broadcast sports journalism has been on the steady decline. It getting harder to find quality beat writers nowadays too

[saintEscaton]

The Suns made TMZ! LMAO.



http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/19/phoenix-suns-to-fan-we-didnt-hit-on-your-wife-but-heres-free-tix/

Lol at the PR coverup of the debacle. "It's a coaching moment. He's a young, hard working kid who's only a few month out of college. The lesson is just be more clear, so there's no room for misinterpretation."

Just goes to show how desperate Suns sales reps are in trying to sell tickets if they are resorting to hitting on wives. Expect another season of ranking in the bottom rung for average home attendance numbers

[Sunsdeuce]

I found out real quick how unprofessional Amin is first hand. He tweeted about how coaches made fun of the Suns system under dantoni. So I tweeted him and said "I understand you don't like Suns but your hate level is a bit disturbing."

He tweeted me back and said I should change my Twitter name to Az_dunce. I just laughed and said nice try.