Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread

[BigSlam]

I'm really looking forward to seeing cut into the paint and finish at the rim - which he does really well.

He tends to twist and turn when he's there rather than using his left (he goes left, but doesn't really use his left).

Would love to see him work on that a little so he can protect the ball a little more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFftlCiaPLc

Wish we kept him and took Okafor. I'll be pulling for JLin and the Hornets when not playing my dysfunctional Lakers.

That's awesome.

Can you now post the 1 hour and 11 min 2014/15 season highlight video of him going left but still finishing with his right?


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[ChokeFasncists]

http://baselinebuzz.com/2015/jeremy-lin-vs-kemba-walker-by-the-numbers/

Interesting analysis on the numbers/stats for both Walker and Lin. Can't wait for the season to start!

Real nice one. Complimentary?

~lol~ at "frightening TO ratios". Lin needs to learn to better protect the ball.

Very surprising that Walker used the picks at 48% while Lin at 40%. Interesting how it plays out next season.

[Flip Murray]

I'm really looking forward to seeing cut into the paint and finish at the rim - which he does really well.

He tends to twist and turn when he's there rather than using his left (he goes left, but doesn't really use his left).

Would love to see him work on that a little so he can protect the ball a little more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFftlCiaPLc

Wish we kept him and took Okafor. I'll be pulling for JLin and the Hornets when not playing my dysfunctional Lakers.

That's awesome.

Can you now post the 1 hour and 11 min 2014/15 season highlight video of him going left but still finishing with his right?


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haha the fact that even exists is ridiculous

[Liver_Pooty]

MKG can't finish with his left that well either. If at all.

[MeowsALot]

A lot of Lin's weaknesses are over exaggerated by the media and haters. Some are weaknesses but it's not as bad as people make it out to be.

One of Lin's real weakness however, is his ability to protect the ball. He sometimes forces bad passes and when he gets trapped he panics. Also he may force some bad drives at times as well.

[yosemiteben]

A lot of Lin's weaknesses are over exaggerated by the media and haters. Some are weaknesses but it's not as bad as people make it out to be.

One of Lin's real weakness however, is his ability to protect the ball. He sometimes forces bad passes and when he gets trapped he panics. Also he may force some bad drives at times as well.

I expect playing for Cliff will help remedy that. TOs are huge no-nos for Cliff.

[kastuul]

The media can't accept an Asian Guard playing well in the league.

It is the reason of LINSANITY. They thought it is unreal.

After, they tried to rationale why Lin was undrafted, so they kept mention Lin's TO, going left, defense, only good at MDA system, etc.

There are 24 NBA PGs with PER48 TO more than Lin.

Lin's contract in HOU was average 8.3Mil per year, but they insisted Lin was paid 15Mil each year.

When Harden, Westbrook or Wall play well but turn the ball over too much, nobody cares the TO.
But they always complains when Lin has a good game with high TO.

[renmei]

erm.. settle down kastuul. It's true that Lin's TO problem is a bit overblown, but there is no reason to turn it racial. IMO the problem with Lin's aggressive playstyle is that when it works it looks great but when things fall apart.. Lin looks really really dumb. And people usually remember the failures way more.

[Liver_Pooty]

If Lin was half as good as Wall, Westbrook, or Harden he could turn the ball over whenever he wants and it wouldn't matter, but he's not. Not even in the same stratosphere as the players you mentioned. Bringing race into it as as well? Ok..

[HornetJail]

The media can't accept an Asian Guard playing well in the league.

It is the reason of LINSANITY. They thought it is unreal.

After, they tried to rationale why Lin was undrafted, so they kept mention Lin's TO, going left, defense, only good at MDA system, etc.

There are 24 NBA PGs with PER48 TO more than Lin.

Lin's contract in HOU was average 8.3Mil per year, but they insisted Lin was paid 15Mil each year.

When Harden, Westbrook or Wall play well but turn the ball over too much, nobody cares the TO.
But they always complains when Lin has a good game with high TO.

Lin at his absolute best can't touch any of the players you mentioned. We don't care that Westbrook committed 6 turnovers if he gave OKC 40 points, 10 assists, and 10 boards. A really good night for Lin is like 20/5/5, which is a solid line. If he commits 6 turnovers, it's different than if Westbrook does though. Lin broke out in NY in the perfect system. We may catch small glimpses of Linsanity from time to time, but the truth is that Lin really is just a top 20-25 PG playing his ideal role as a sixth man.

[kastuul]

erm.. settle down kastuul. It's true that Lin's TO problem is a bit overblown, but there is no reason to turn it racial. IMO the problem with Lin's aggressive playstyle is that when it works it looks great but when things fall apart.. Lin looks really really dumb. And people usually remember the failures way more.

I didn't call it is racial. But absolutely it is stereotype.

[Lorenzomax7]

Lin was a scoring PG in NY. But he was kinda forced to play like a pass-first PG in HOU/LAL, and for the most part, he was just a back-up guard.

Lin's TO ratio was high because he didn't shoot that many to make up for his TO's.

TO : Turnover Ratio - the percentage of a player's possessions that end in a turnover.

Turnover Ratio = (Turnover x 100) divided by [(FGA + (FTA x 0.44) + Assists + Turnovers]

TOV%
Turnover Percentage (available since the 1977-78 season in the NBA); Turnover percentage is an estimate of turnovers per 100 plays.
the formula is 100 * TOV / (FGA + 0.44 * FTA + TOV).
Rondo, John Wall, MCW and Rubio can't shoot the ball well to save their lives so that's why they had even higher TOV% than Lin:

Notable PGs that had higher or similar TO ratio:

Rondo: 14.7
Michael Carter-Williams: 14.5
Eric Bledsoe: 13.7
Elfrid Payton: 13.2
Jeremy Lin: 13.0
Jarrett Jack: 12.9
Shaun Livingston 12.8
Ramon Sessions, 12.7
Ricky Rubio 12.6
Brandon Knight 12.6
John Wall 12.6
Derrick Rose 12.1

Notable PGs that had higher or similar TOV%:

Rajon Rondo 23.6
Ricky Rubio 20.4
Elfrid Payton 20.2
Michael Carter-Williams 19.5
Shaun Livingston 19.0
John Wall 18.7
Mario Chalmers 18.2
Eric Bledsoe 18.1
Tony Wroten(combo guard) 18.0
Jeremy Lin: 17.7
Ramon Sessions 17.3
Jarrett Jack 17.2
Jose Calderon 16.9

Nash in his prime(2001-2010) 19.2

[Lorenzomax7]

erm.. settle down kastuul. It's true that Lin's TO problem is a bit overblown, but there is no reason to turn it racial. IMO the problem with Lin's aggressive playstyle is that when it works it looks great but when things fall apart.. Lin looks really really dumb. And people usually remember the failures way more.

A lot of Lin's weaknesses are over exaggerated by the media and haters. Some are weaknesses but it's not as bad as people make it out to be.

One of Lin's real weakness however, is his ability to protect the ball. He sometimes forces bad passes and when he gets trapped he panics. Also he may force some bad drives at times as well.

Nash in his prime(2001-2010) averaged a TOV% of 19.2 but no one would complain about his aggressive play-style and stupid-look bad passes solely because he was the primary ball-handler, has been dishing out most of the beautiful assists and shooting the ball freaking well and, most importantly, they kept winning games.

[Lorenzomax7]

erm.. settle down kastuul. It's true that Lin's TO problem is a bit overblown, but there is no reason to turn it racial. IMO the problem with Lin's aggressive playstyle is that when it works it looks great but when things fall apart.. Lin looks really really dumb. And people usually remember the failures way more.

No body wants to turn it racial but the Media, and fans would've always been misled or even brainwashed by the Media:



Lin got very high expectations from fans solely because the Medias built up that hype 3 yrs ago based on (for the most part) his descent. Lin can do no wrong with that kind of hype.

AND whenever you saw an Asian descent player playing in Euro or America, people would always focus more on the money he can bring with him than the on-court contribution he can bring to the organization. At the end of the day, people would underrate or even overlook his on-court value. That's what&why kastuul called it stereotype.

The sad truth for Lin or seldom Asian players(especially Chinese cuz China as a whole is kinda rich) in Euro/America is ...

People might not be racists, but they are obsessed by their descent.

Lin, imho, is an underrated player who has been over-hyped(or overblown) for 3 yrs.

[yosemiteben]

Lin fans are bringing defenses of criticisms against Lin into this thread that no one here has made.

No need to already be defensive IMO. We're all happy he's here.

[Roy Tarpley]

Yes, I agree that Lin fans are being pre-emptively defensive . . . and I am a Lin fan! Let's start with a clean slate and judge him on his performance here in Charlotte.

I'm excited for Lin-Zeller PNRs, Lin-Kaminsky pick and pops, and some Hansbrough bruising.

[6_Rings]

actually he got rid of things that haters use to distract him from being his basketball-self.

high salary - compare it to scrub Austin Rivers' salary and only the stupid will hate.
starting job - embraced the backup PG. who blames the backup PG for losses?
big cities - their media put him under the microscope. blowing up every weakness (example ESPN ranking Ish Smith higher than him wtf)

[MeowsALot]

http://baselinebuzz.com/2015/jeremy-lin-vs-kemba-walker-by-the-numbers/

Interesting analysis on the numbers/stats for both Walker and Lin. Can't wait for the season to start!

Real nice one. Complimentary?

~lol~ at "frightening TO ratios". Lin needs to learn to better protect the ball.

Very surprising that Walker used the picks at 48% while Lin at 40%. Interesting how it plays out next season.

Lin also did not get very many PNR opportunities I believe. A lot of the times Lin would dump the ball off.

[MeowsALot]

erm.. settle down kastuul. It's true that Lin's TO problem is a bit overblown, but there is no reason to turn it racial. IMO the problem with Lin's aggressive playstyle is that when it works it looks great but when things fall apart.. Lin looks really really dumb. And people usually remember the failures way more.

I didn't call it is racial. But absolutely it is stereotype.

The thing is, that's how the media operates nowadays. If one thing is picked up, it is spammed by others.

If another news/blog outlet wants to write about Lin, they will just take info that is already known out there and just include that in the writing, so in a way, the media persists facts about people when it's being spread over and over. This is the age of twitter and social media and instant news.

Lin is a really special case - so of course people will criticize him and scrutinize him more - it is what it is. The fact that a lot of teams still want Lin means that he's doing something pretty positive still and still carries some value.

The media views Lin probably much more different than GMs. Why do you think a lot of teams were interested in Lin?

Just my two cents.

[MeowsALot]

erm.. settle down kastuul. It's true that Lin's TO problem is a bit overblown, but there is no reason to turn it racial. IMO the problem with Lin's aggressive playstyle is that when it works it looks great but when things fall apart.. Lin looks really really dumb. And people usually remember the failures way more.

A lot of Lin's weaknesses are over exaggerated by the media and haters. Some are weaknesses but it's not as bad as people make it out to be.

One of Lin's real weakness however, is his ability to protect the ball. He sometimes forces bad passes and when he gets trapped he panics. Also he may force some bad drives at times as well.

Nash in his prime(2001-2010) averaged a TOV% of 19.2 but no one would complain about his aggressive play-style and stupid-look bad passes solely because he was the primary ball-handler, has been dishing out most of the beautiful assists and shooting the ball freaking well and, most importantly, they kept winning games.

Key word, winning, and primary ball handler. Lin is not Nash nor can we say that if he had the same opportunities he could be Nash. I could say that Jose could be Nash too or any other PG that has similar stats to Nash.