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Mike Breen wrote:This a pretty knicks-esque situation in which we're hoping to trade a guy now that his value is literally lower than it has been for his entire career
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3toheadmelo wrote:Thugger HBC wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:why would phil trade melo for nothing. if we're trading him we better get an all star in return
Why would a team trade their all star for Melo? He's certainly worth it depending on the player in question, but why would any team actually do it? They'd be in the same boat before they made the trade.
Melo isnt gonna be an easy player to trade because he can dictate where he goes, and thats assuming he'd ever want to leave, which I doubt seriously.
But if he ever asked out, or agreed, the Knicks would quite likely get close to nothing of value for him. Contenders dont have the pieces and non contenders have no leg in handing over good assets for a player they wont be receiving.
then he aint goin anywhere
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BKlutch wrote:This Melo thing has become a real drama. The question: What will he be, and how will he play, when he has a real team around him playing in a real system? Will he be the unselfish Olympic Team Melo, or will he be the iso-Melo of Woodson days who eats up the clock and eats up our playoff hopes?
As of now, it seems there is nowhere to trade him. If the team that gets him gives us quality in return, that team may not make the playoffs so Melo wouldn't be interested. He can't MAKE us trade him for peanuts. There is no team right now that can offer us something of even barely similar value in exchange and still be a contender with Melo. So maybe this is a marriage we need to see through to the end of the contract. Let's hope Melo wants to be known for being a winner more than for being a scorer who scores as his own team's expense.
Thugger HBC wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Sark wrote:
Why would Melo want to go there, if not to play with those 2? He says no to the trade if either of those guys are part of the deal.
why would phil trade melo for nothing. if we're trading him we better get an all star in return
Why would a team trade their all star for Melo? He's certainly worth it depending on the player in question, but why would any team actually do it? They'd be in the same boat before they made the trade.
Melo isnt gonna be an easy player to trade because he can dictate where he goes, and thats assuming he'd ever want to leave, which I doubt seriously.
But if he ever asked out, or agreed, the Knicks would quite likely get close to nothing of value for him. Contenders dont have the pieces and non contenders have no leg in handing over good assets for a player they wont be receiving.
GONYK wrote:BKlutch wrote:This Melo thing has become a real drama. The question: What will he be, and how will he play, when he has a real team around him playing in a real system? Will he be the unselfish Olympic Team Melo, or will he be the iso-Melo of Woodson days who eats up the clock and eats up our playoff hopes?
As of now, it seems there is nowhere to trade him. If the team that gets him gives us quality in return, that team may not make the playoffs so Melo wouldn't be interested. He can't MAKE us trade him for peanuts. There is no team right now that can offer us something of even barely similar value in exchange and still be a contender with Melo. So maybe this is a marriage we need to see through to the end of the contract. Let's hope Melo wants to be known for being a winner more than for being a scorer who scores as his own team's expense.
Has it?
Both Melo and Phil don't seem to be all that phased by the situation. The only drama is in the media and the people on this board eating it up.
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Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
BKlutch wrote:GONYK wrote:BKlutch wrote:This Melo thing has become a real drama. The question: What will he be, and how will he play, when he has a real team around him playing in a real system? Will he be the unselfish Olympic Team Melo, or will he be the iso-Melo of Woodson days who eats up the clock and eats up our playoff hopes?
As of now, it seems there is nowhere to trade him. If the team that gets him gives us quality in return, that team may not make the playoffs so Melo wouldn't be interested. He can't MAKE us trade him for peanuts. There is no team right now that can offer us something of even barely similar value in exchange and still be a contender with Melo. So maybe this is a marriage we need to see through to the end of the contract. Let's hope Melo wants to be known for being a winner more than for being a scorer who scores as his own team's expense.
Has it?
Both Melo and Phil don't seem to be all that phased by the situation. The only drama is in the media and the people on this board eating it up.
Too many people on this board and in the media (the worst of the worst, if they cover the Knicks) seem to think 1. He can't/won't play a team game 2. He will opt out 3. We'd be better without him - despite seeing we couldn't win shyte without him last year. There are several threads that are discussing Melo. This is the drama.
WTF? He's a great offensive weapon that we need to use, or our offense suffers. If the team Phil assembled is even halfway good, we have a shot to make the playoffs, and our team will play exciting ball. I think a lot of people here are so bummed from losing for so long that they can't allow themselves to look at the bright side or have hope, for fear of being crushed once again.
dakomish23 wrote:superstars don't come around often. No reason why Melo who's still in his prime, along with more good additions in the next two FAs, can't lead a competitive NYK team now until the rookies start their ascension to push us into the contender discussion.
Wait till Aug 2017. He will still get you a great package.
TheMaestro wrote:I think he'll simply waive his no trade clause if he really wants out of here.
Mark my words. The next Knicks drama we'll be hearing about over the next 2 years will be "Will Melo stay or go"
GONYK wrote:TheMaestro wrote:I think he'll simply waive his no trade clause if he really wants out of here.
Mark my words. The next Knicks drama we'll be hearing about over the next 2 years will be "Will Melo stay or go"
He won't simply waive it. Why have it then? He didn't do all this to end up in a place like Charlotte.
? GONYK wrote:TheMaestro wrote:I think he'll simply waive his no trade clause if he really wants out of here.
Mark my words. The next Knicks drama we'll be hearing about over the next 2 years will be "Will Melo stay or go"
He won't simply waive it. Why have it then? He didn't do all this to end up in a place like Charlotte.
TheMaestro wrote:GONYK wrote:TheMaestro wrote:I think he'll simply waive his no trade clause if he really wants out of here.
Mark my words. The next Knicks drama we'll be hearing about over the next 2 years will be "Will Melo stay or go"
He won't simply waive it. Why have it then? He didn't do all this to end up in a place like Charlotte.
Thing is, if in 2 years we're no better off, why would he wnat to stay here? You have a better chance at getting some value for Melo in the next 2 seasons. After that, he's a sunk cost....provided we arent deep into the playoffs.
The reality is, I cant see us winning a title in the next 4 years. I simply cannot. I do think Melo will stay for the simple fact he just doesnt want to leave NYC, but we are going to end up with a broken down and injured Melo in 2017-18 the same way we did Amare and he will be impossible to move then.
This.GONYK wrote:BKlutch wrote:This Melo thing has become a real drama. The question: What will he be, and how will he play, when he has a real team around him playing in a real system? Will he be the unselfish Olympic Team Melo, or will he be the iso-Melo of Woodson days who eats up the clock and eats up our playoff hopes?
As of now, it seems there is nowhere to trade him. If the team that gets him gives us quality in return, that team may not make the playoffs so Melo wouldn't be interested. He can't MAKE us trade him for peanuts. There is no team right now that can offer us something of even barely similar value in exchange and still be a contender with Melo. So maybe this is a marriage we need to see through to the end of the contract. Let's hope Melo wants to be known for being a winner more than for being a scorer who scores as his own team's expense.
Has it?
Both Melo and Phil don't seem to be all that phased by the situation. The only drama is in the media and the people on this board eating it up.
GONYK wrote:TheMaestro wrote:GONYK wrote:
He won't simply waive it. Why have it then? He didn't do all this to end up in a place like Charlotte.
Thing is, if in 2 years we're no better off, why would he wnat to stay here? You have a better chance at getting some value for Melo in the next 2 seasons. After that, he's a sunk cost....provided we arent deep into the playoffs.
The reality is, I cant see us winning a title in the next 4 years. I simply cannot. I do think Melo will stay for the simple fact he just doesnt want to leave NYC, but we are going to end up with a broken down and injured Melo in 2017-18 the same way we did Amare and he will be impossible to move then.
Why would he want to leave if he's going to end up in a small market or a non-contender?
TheMaestro wrote:GONYK wrote:TheMaestro wrote:
Thing is, if in 2 years we're no better off, why would he wnat to stay here? You have a better chance at getting some value for Melo in the next 2 seasons. After that, he's a sunk cost....provided we arent deep into the playoffs.
The reality is, I cant see us winning a title in the next 4 years. I simply cannot. I do think Melo will stay for the simple fact he just doesnt want to leave NYC, but we are going to end up with a broken down and injured Melo in 2017-18 the same way we did Amare and he will be impossible to move then.
Why would he want to leave if he's going to end up in a small market or a non-contender?
I dont think he is going to leave. I never said he was. I was implying that if he did, he will fetch close to nothing the longer he stays in NY. The injuries are slowly taking its toll on him. We saw what injuries did to a greta player in Amare.
My point: We run a huge risk of being stuck with a breaking down and injured Melo for the remaining 2 years of that contract lets say. Just like we did Amare. If he asks for a trade....why not try and move him?
In 3 years we will be bitching about signing him to that max deal (if we aren't already) when we see him sitting on the sidelines with a variety of injuries.
Dude is entering year 13 in the NBA
GONYK wrote:TheMaestro wrote:GONYK wrote:
Why would he want to leave if he's going to end up in a small market or a non-contender?
I dont think he is going to leave. I never said he was. I was implying that if he did, he will fetch close to nothing the longer he stays in NY. The injuries are slowly taking its toll on him. We saw what injuries did to a greta player in Amare.
My point: We run a huge risk of being stuck with a breaking down and injured Melo for the remaining 2 years of that contract lets say. Just like we did Amare. If he asks for a trade....why not try and move him?
In 3 years we will be bitching about signing him to that max deal (if we aren't already) when we see him sitting on the sidelines with a variety of injuries.
Dude is entering year 13 in the NBA
If he asks for a trade, I'm sure we will try to accommodate him, but he will limit the market and we won't get much for him now either.
TheMaestro wrote:GONYK wrote:TheMaestro wrote:
I dont think he is going to leave. I never said he was. I was implying that if he did, he will fetch close to nothing the longer he stays in NY. The injuries are slowly taking its toll on him. We saw what injuries did to a greta player in Amare.
My point: We run a huge risk of being stuck with a breaking down and injured Melo for the remaining 2 years of that contract lets say. Just like we did Amare. If he asks for a trade....why not try and move him?
In 3 years we will be bitching about signing him to that max deal (if we aren't already) when we see him sitting on the sidelines with a variety of injuries.
Dude is entering year 13 in the NBA
If he asks for a trade, I'm sure we will try to accommodate him, but he will limit the market and we won't get much for him now either.
If he asked for a trade now, he's an idiot. He wont. But if he gets frustrated with the lack of progress over the next 2 seasons, (i.e. quality players not signing with the Knicks) then I'm sure it will come up and we should try and accommodate him, but we need to do whats best for the franchise. He FOR SURE could net 2 first founders. Probably more. Look at what New Jersey got for Pierce and Garnett