The Official Should We Have Signed Thad Thread

[MrDollarBills]

Why do you guys keep arguing that our chances of drafting a superstar type player not being high as a reason no to try? Yes its not high. And even if we do its not high.

But if we don't the chances are 0. So I'd rather go with a small chance rather than no chance. Were just going around in circles now. Its a waste of time.

You know what type of game plan sucks. Building a team around Brook Lopez and Thaddeus Young. Cause instead of making it unlikely that we don't win a championship it guarantees it.

The plan is to incrementally build a team with depth, youth, athleticism, and talent. Lopez and Thad are just pieces to the puzzle. No one is banking hopes on these guys carrying the Nets to finals.`

[MrDollarBills]

you tank for a draft pick in 1 instance and 1 instance only in my mind. when your top 2 players go down for the year and you no longer have anything to play for. then you play the young guys, rest your old guys, give injured guys extended tiem to heal and take the higher pick.

other then that, i never can endorse tanking for a pick

Bingo. That is a strategic tank job based on circumstances that are unavoidable.

Tanking just to tank is a surefire way to make sure your team is going to be crap for a decade unless you land a stud like Lebron or AD, who come around once every ten years.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I think this is another futile argument that's going on. Yes, the easiest and most common way to win a chip is through a drafted star... I think most of us can get on board with that.

What I can't get on board with is how easy you present it to be, oh just lose like 2 season draft a star or two and then we have a chance to win. Yes that's quite possible, OR, both of those draft picks become busts, and then we repeat the same cycle that got us here.

We've been the losing team before, for many many years in this franchise.

We just don't have the option to blow it up yet. So this option you keep bringing up and arguing is years down the line after we run our current plan through its course

I know I must be in the minority but id rather spend this time until 2019 enjoying my team, watching some level of competitive basketball and trying to make the playoffs. I'd rather be the Hawks of the recent years than the Kings.

Because if the day comes that we do go into your, lose for a star plan, I'll be a sad guy. That plan is not the easiest to get out of, and is always a larger window than hoped. We draft a future star, and then it's probably 4-5 years before they're championship material. Which also requires building a team around them and convincing good players to come and join then, which is the next massive task.

Look at the Kings and Boogie, they've been stuck in a cycle of losing, keeping the hope out that they can attract other stars to join Boogie. If LMA went there that team would begin to be a legit threat. What about the Suns and Bledsoe, if they snagged up more real players in FA instead of a older Tyson Chandler they'd be real players in all this.

I hate anyone who makes either option sound like a **** cake walk. Being a big city and building a contender is hard either through the draft or through trades or through FA, but either way we should just be doing what's working for the moment.

We have until the end of the 2019 to ride out this wave. Even then I see the moves of this offseason being closer to what they did in Memphis and accumulating talent and the developing it as needed. Sure RHJ ain't some star, but he has a future in this league, Bogie can shoot and has the possibility of being a starting level shooter. Lopez is playing his best ball yet and Thad seems to aid in that. We have a plan finally, a clean and organized one. So to me, I say we keep going with it, until it stops making sense... Because I'd rather my team try and win when I can than throw it all away for a shot at a star... We can do that when this plan has run its course.


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I never said it was easy. When did I ever say that?

And its not the "easiest way" or "most common way." Its the only way.

If you actually read what I wrote rather than jumping to conclusions, you would see that I also advocated waiting until 2019 to start the rebuilding process.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Why do you guys keep arguing that our chances of drafting a superstar type player not being high as a reason no to try? Yes its not high. And even if we do its not high.

But if we don't the chances are 0. So I'd rather go with a small chance rather than no chance. Were just going around in circles now. Its a waste of time.

You know what type of game plan sucks. Building a team around Brook Lopez and Thaddeus Young. Cause instead of making it unlikely that we don't win a championship it guarantees it.

The plan is to incrementally build a team with depth, youth, athleticism, and talent. Lopez and Thad are just pieces to the puzzle. No one is banking hopes on these guys carrying the Nets to finals.`

I would be ok with that plan. But having Lopez and Young on this team makes that pretty difficult. As long as youre paying Lopez 21 million a year, the plan is to try and contend. Not to rebuild.

[Paradise]

Why do you guys keep arguing that our chances of drafting a superstar type player not being high as a reason no to try? Yes its not high. And even if we do its not high.

But if we don't the chances are 0. So I'd rather go with a small chance rather than no chance. Were just going around in circles now. Its a waste of time.

You know what type of game plan sucks. Building a team around Brook Lopez and Thaddeus Young. Cause instead of making it unlikely that we don't win a championship it guarantees it.

The plan is to incrementally build a team with depth, youth, athleticism, and talent. Lopez and Thad are just pieces to the puzzle. No one is banking hopes on these guys carrying the Nets to finals.`

I would be ok with that plan. But having Lopez and Young on this team makes that pretty difficult. As long as youre paying Lopez 21 million a year, the plan is to try and contend. Not to rebuild.

The amount they make has nothing to do with the plan. Re-signing both was harmless with an exploding cap in two years. It's not anything different to what the Knicks did with Melo.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I'm fine with resigning both of them. I just don't want them here past 2019.

[MrDollarBills]

yep, gotta have roster space for those 3 superstars we'll be drafting from 2019-2029.

[jbeachboy]

is lopez and thad going to stink after 2019?

[Hello Brooklyn]

yep, gotta have roster space for those 3 superstars we'll be drafting from 2019-2029.

lol yea. Drafting a superstar is such a bad plan. Its just the way 99.7% of NBA champions have done it. You right.

[Prokorov]

yep, gotta have roster space for those 3 superstars we'll be drafting from 2019-2029.

lol yea. Drafting a superstar is such a bad plan. Its just the way 99.7% of NBA champions have done it. You right.

I still think it is mislead to say all the championship teams drafted stars. most of them also traded for or signed stars. i.e. lakers drafted kobe but aquired shaq and pau. very few teams won titles by just drafting a star.

also, drafting a star is the hardest thing to do in the entire sport. look at cleveland. how many #1 overall picks and top 5 lotto picks and 0 stars. how many stars for philly? how many stars have we drafted when we have had a top 3 pick.

the odds of drafting a superstar are extremely low. they are even low if you have the #1 pick. signing a superstar, or trying to team up multiple stars is a much better plan. which a much lower downside. nothing submarines a franchise more then tanking to draft a star and missing.

[MrDollarBills]

Hello Brooklyn must have forgotten the hot burning sting that hit this fanbase following the 12-70 season when the Nets tanked and ended up with the 3rd overall pick for their troubles.

Your memory is either short, or you've erased the misery of that period of time from your memory.

Even if we had landed the 2nd pick and kept it, chances are the Nets would have whiffed and taken Evan Turner, a D tier player, over Cousins(A Tier player), Favors(who is about C Tier) and Paul George (A Tier Player, who was drafted 10th).

No way do I want to endure that nonsense again. Your best bet via your strategy is to either somehow land the #1 pick each time or pray to god that one of the crapshoots in the top ten turns into an A or B tier player.

[Hello Brooklyn]

yep, gotta have roster space for those 3 superstars we'll be drafting from 2019-2029.

lol yea. Drafting a superstar is such a bad plan. Its just the way 99.7% of NBA champions have done it. You right.

I still think it is mislead to say all the championship teams drafted stars. most of them also traded for or signed stars. i.e. lakers drafted kobe but aquired shaq and pau. very few teams won titles by just drafting a star.

also, drafting a star is the hardest thing to do in the entire sport. look at cleveland. how many #1 overall picks and top 5 lotto picks and 0 stars. how many stars for philly? how many stars have we drafted when we have had a top 3 pick.

the odds of drafting a superstar are extremely low. they are even low if you have the #1 pick. signing a superstar, or trying to team up multiple stars is a much better plan. which a much lower downside. nothing submarines a franchise more then tanking to draft a star and missing.

Nobody is saying that just drafting a star is enough to win a championship. But it is the foundation you need to build a championship team.

The odds are low, but its the only way to do it.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Hello Brooklyn must have forgotten the hot burning sting that hit this fanbase following the 12-70 season when the Nets tanked and ended up with the 3rd overall pick for their troubles.

Your memory is either short, or you've erased the misery of that period of time from your memory.

Even if we had landed the 2nd pick and kept it, chances are the Nets would have whiffed and taken Evan Turner, a D tier player, over Cousins(A Tier player), Favors(who is about C Tier) and Paul George (A Tier Player, who was drafted 10th).

No way do I want to endure that nonsense again. Your best bet via your strategy is to either somehow land the #1 pick each time or pray to god that one of the crapshoots in the top ten turns into an A or B tier player.

lol what if we won that draft and got John Wall? Or what if we never traded for Deron and took Lillard? Or what if we won fewer games without Deron and drafted Davis?

I'd rather endure that nonsense than be stuck in mediocrity forever.

[Zachbretton]

Hello Brooklyn must have forgotten the hot burning sting that hit this fanbase following the 12-70 season when the Nets tanked and ended up with the 3rd overall pick for their troubles.

Your memory is either short, or you've erased the misery of that period of time from your memory.

Even if we had landed the 2nd pick and kept it, chances are the Nets would have whiffed and taken Evan Turner, a D tier player, over Cousins(A Tier player), Favors(who is about C Tier) and Paul George (A Tier Player, who was drafted 10th).

No way do I want to endure that nonsense again. Your best bet via your strategy is to either somehow land the #1 pick each time or pray to god that one of the crapshoots in the top ten turns into an A or B tier player.

lol what if we won that draft and got John Wall? Or what if we never traded for Deron and took Lillard? Or what if we won fewer games without Deron and drafted Davis?

I'd rather endure that nonsense than be stuck in mediocrity forever.

See you say that, but look at teams stuck in the losing cycle because they followed that mentality. You really think Kings fans are super happy with the trajectory of things?

It's all a big trade off, and obviously no one is shooting down the idea that drafting a star is wonderful and probably a key to a championship... But it's just unrealistic to be like, "lose, find star, win, get more players, win championship" rarely does that ever pan out, if one part of that cycle breaks it all falls apart. In the mean time if we focus on staying relevant and building slowly through the picks we have and can acquire, the signings we can make and a steady stream of smart trades... I think we become a more respectable team and a more enjoyable team.

I'd rather be the Griz than the Kings

Yes drafting is important, but so is everything else. So you can't just say, "you're doing it all wrong!" ,"Lose for a star! Then we'll be a great team"

There's a lot more to team building than just drafting the "star"


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[Paradise]

I still don't understand what's wrong with being the Grizzlies. They're an elite shooter and bench scorer away from being in the WCF once again. They gave the Warriors hell with an injured Conley and Tony Allen throughout the series. We would kill for successful seasons like that in the East. I see too many variables when it comes to the star or bust mentality. You can either end up failing to land a true star or even a borderline star, land a star with major flaws or character flaws (cousins/Kings) or get a star without a foundation to build on (Love/Wolves).

The Kings have been chasing the OKC plan for 6 seasons now even though small market teams don't have a choice but how is that looking? Tyreke Evans, Thomas Robinson, Ben McLemore, Nik Stauskas. The list keeps growing and the star they do have in Cousins is probably ready to ask for a trade soon as the Karl-Cousins relationship goes sour mid season.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Hello Brooklyn must have forgotten the hot burning sting that hit this fanbase following the 12-70 season when the Nets tanked and ended up with the 3rd overall pick for their troubles.

Your memory is either short, or you've erased the misery of that period of time from your memory.

Even if we had landed the 2nd pick and kept it, chances are the Nets would have whiffed and taken Evan Turner, a D tier player, over Cousins(A Tier player), Favors(who is about C Tier) and Paul George (A Tier Player, who was drafted 10th).

No way do I want to endure that nonsense again. Your best bet via your strategy is to either somehow land the #1 pick each time or pray to god that one of the crapshoots in the top ten turns into an A or B tier player.

lol what if we won that draft and got John Wall? Or what if we never traded for Deron and took Lillard? Or what if we won fewer games without Deron and drafted Davis?

I'd rather endure that nonsense than be stuck in mediocrity forever.

See you say that, but look at teams stuck in the losing cycle because they followed that mentality. You really think Kings fans are super happy with the trajectory of things?

It's all a big trade off, and obviously no one is shooting down the idea that drafting a star is wonderful and probably a key to a championship... But it's just unrealistic to be like, "lose, find star, win, get more players, win championship" rarely does that ever pan out, if one part of that cycle breaks it all falls apart. In the mean time if we focus on staying relevant and building slowly through the picks we have and can acquire, the signings we can make and a steady stream of smart trades... I think we become a more respectable team and a more enjoyable team.

I'd rather be the Griz than the Kings

Yes drafting is important, but so is everything else. So you can't just say, "you're doing it all wrong!" ,"Lose for a star! Then we'll be a great team"

There's a lot more to team building than just drafting the "star"


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What cycle are we stuck in? We barely made the playoffs last year. It doesn't look like we will this year. Is this "cycle" we have going really better than sucking and having good young player to look forward to?

Drafting is the only way that works. So if I'm going to build a team for the future that what I'm gonna focus on. There is a lot of team building but it has to start somewhere.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I still don't understand what's wrong with being the Grizzlies. They're an elite shooter and bench scorer away from being in the WCF once again. They gave the Warriors hell with an injured Conley and Tony Allen throughout the series. We would kill for successful seasons like that in the East. I see too many variables when it comes to the star or bust mentality. You can either end up failing to land a true star or even a borderline star, land a star with major flaws or character flaws (cousins/Kings) or get a star without a foundation to build on (Love/Wolves).

The Kings have been chasing the OKC plan for 6 seasons now even though small market teams don't have a choice but how is that looking? Tyreke Evans, Thomas Robinson, Ben McLemore, Nik Stauskas. The list keeps growing and the star they do have in Cousins is probably ready to ask for a trade soon as the Karl-Cousins relationship goes sour mid season.

I just don't think the Grizzlies have a real shot of contending. To me theyre a cut below the rest in the West. Not enough star power. Teams like that don't usually win championships.

There are a lot of variables, but its still the only way to do it. You guys keep saying it has a low probability of working out, and I'm gonna go back to saying rather low probability than no probability. If 99% of NBA champions have done something, I tend to aim for that strategy.

[Zachbretton]

lol what if we won that draft and got John Wall? Or what if we never traded for Deron and took Lillard? Or what if we won fewer games without Deron and drafted Davis?

I'd rather endure that nonsense than be stuck in mediocrity forever.

See you say that, but look at teams stuck in the losing cycle because they followed that mentality. You really think Kings fans are super happy with the trajectory of things?

It's all a big trade off, and obviously no one is shooting down the idea that drafting a star is wonderful and probably a key to a championship... But it's just unrealistic to be like, "lose, find star, win, get more players, win championship" rarely does that ever pan out, if one part of that cycle breaks it all falls apart. In the mean time if we focus on staying relevant and building slowly through the picks we have and can acquire, the signings we can make and a steady stream of smart trades... I think we become a more respectable team and a more enjoyable team.

I'd rather be the Griz than the Kings

Yes drafting is important, but so is everything else. So you can't just say, "you're doing it all wrong!" ,"Lose for a star! Then we'll be a great team"

There's a lot more to team building than just drafting the "star"


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What cycle are we stuck in? We barely made the playoffs last year. It doesn't look like we will this year. Is this "cycle" we have going really better than sucking and having good young player to look forward to?

Drafting is the only way that works. So if I'm going to build a team for the future that what I'm gonna focus on. There is a lot of team building but it has to start somewhere.

Yes this cycle is better, because I can be happy we're putting a product on the floor that will try and win, be fun and give it there all. Yes this cycle were in is important because come next offseason or the following one we can be a destination for quality players to come to. We can get excited about sure fire players than playing the guessing game of draft picks.

If we're talking percentages here. I'd rather we get a player I know 99% what they can do than a shot in the dark with a draft pick.

That's why I enjoy our plan now, we can keep being in the conversation of teams in the east, and grow, acquire more talent and win. We did what was needed to shed the mistake of the DWill era, but I'm not ready to lose just for a shot at a pick. I'm ready to win and keep winning. Like Prok always brings up, we want to aim to get a shot with a guy like Durant next summer. Even if it's a 0.01% chance he signs with us...

If it's between a chance at signing Durant or a chance at a "star" in the draft, I take the option that gives me the talent I know about each time. Then we don't have to spend years figuring out how to build the right winning team around our "star" (given that said "star" even pans out).

I don't know how short a period of time you've been watching basketball, but this championship or bust mentality is childish. I want a team that's fun, competitive, and lays it's all on the court. I want a team to win, with players I can enjoy seeing succeed. Sure if losing is what's the immediate best option, like the Spurs back in the day, I see it... But just saying "we won't win without a drafted star" and expect us to just keep digging until we find one is sad and boring. If you want that, go watch the Sixers, Kings or any of those other franchises.

But alas, you only see one way to win in this league, and thus no one will be able to reason with you. It's the same cyclical argument being had, some here are being rational and seeing the value in ALL sides of how to build a team, and all you see is one.






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[Hello Brooklyn]

See you say that, but look at teams stuck in the losing cycle because they followed that mentality. You really think Kings fans are super happy with the trajectory of things?

It's all a big trade off, and obviously no one is shooting down the idea that drafting a star is wonderful and probably a key to a championship... But it's just unrealistic to be like, "lose, find star, win, get more players, win championship" rarely does that ever pan out, if one part of that cycle breaks it all falls apart. In the mean time if we focus on staying relevant and building slowly through the picks we have and can acquire, the signings we can make and a steady stream of smart trades... I think we become a more respectable team and a more enjoyable team.

I'd rather be the Griz than the Kings

Yes drafting is important, but so is everything else. So you can't just say, "you're doing it all wrong!" ,"Lose for a star! Then we'll be a great team"

There's a lot more to team building than just drafting the "star"


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What cycle are we stuck in? We barely made the playoffs last year. It doesn't look like we will this year. Is this "cycle" we have going really better than sucking and having good young player to look forward to?

Drafting is the only way that works. So if I'm going to build a team for the future that what I'm gonna focus on. There is a lot of team building but it has to start somewhere.

Yes this cycle is better, because I can be happy we're putting a product on the floor that will try and win, be fun and give it there all. Yes this cycle were in is important because come next offseason or the following one we can be a destination for quality players to come to. We can get excited about sure fire players than playing the guessing game of draft picks.

If we're talking percentages here. I'd rather we get a player I know 99% what they can do than a shot in the dark with a draft pick.

That's why I enjoy our plan now, we can keep being in the conversation of teams in the east, and grow, acquire more talent and win. We did what was needed to shed the mistake of the DWill era, but I'm not ready to lose just for a shot at a pick. I'm ready to win and keep winning. Like Prok always brings up, we want to aim to get a shot with a guy like Durant next summer. Even if it's a 0.01% chance he signs with us...

If it's between a chance at signing Durant or a chance at a "star" in the draft, I take the option that gives me the talent I know about each time. Then we don't have to spend years figuring out how to build the right winning team around our "star" (given that said "star" even pans out).

I don't know how short a period of time you've been watching basketball, but this championship or bust mentality is childish. I want a team that's fun, competitive, and lays it's all on the court. I want a team to win, with players I can enjoy seeing succeed. Sure if losing is what's the immediate best option, like the Spurs back in the day, I see it... But just saying "we won't win without a drafted star" and expect us to just keep digging until we find one is sad and boring. If you want that, go watch the Sixers, Kings or any of those other franchises.

But alas, you only see one way to win in this league, and thus no one will be able to reason with you. It's the same cyclical argument being had, some here are being rational and seeing the value in ALL sides of how to build a team, and all you see is one.






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Youre delusional. Quality players are going to come here why? Because we missed the playoffs and because we have Brook Lopez?

Theyre not. We'll overpay for 2nd tier players at best. I don't see how you acquire the type of talent you need to win a championship merely through free agency.Its not gonna happen.

We don't have a snowballs chance in Hell of signing Durant. This delusional type of thinking is the problem. Its what we wanted to do in 2010. Lebron will def come here. He didn't. And no Durant is not giving up OKC or WAS to come play with **** Brook Lopez. Sorry.

I've watched basketball for a long time. And maybe you and I value different things. But Ive never seen the Nets win a championship and I want to see them build towards it. I could care less if were "fun" and we don't have realistic chance of winning a title.

I see one way of building a team because thats the way that work. Your ideas don't.

[Paradise]

The only thing delusional is the belief that getting an all star through the draft will equal a championship. It's not that simple and will never be. Even the current transcendent stars haven't won a championship except LeBron. Regular stars like Melo, Aldridge, Griffin haven't come close either and since you brought up "why would Durant want to play with Brook Lopez" that argument can apply to whoever we draft. LeBron didn't give a rats ass about the hype train for Andrew Wiggins.