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Re: ST: Blue Jays @ Rangers August 25-27 

Post#1481 » by BigLeagueChew » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:24 pm

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So play him at SS then. By DH'ing him there were zero other options to play the MI on the bench while the positions were occupied by the lineups 2 weakest bats. Cola has been way hotter than Tulo so it wouldn't exactly be a head-scratching move to DH Cola and save Tulo for the exact situation that occurred in the 9th.

As it is, I'm not even sure why Tulo would need the day off from the field anyways when the Jays have already had 3 full days off in the past 10.

He has been playing shorstop though. It's just unfortunate that we were losing ,Gallardo pitched well, today was an afternoon game , yadda yadda yadda. Over the course of a season your star hitters will DH sometimes, similar to what Donaldson, Bautista, Edwin and other have done this season. Over a full season Tulo would maybe dh around a dozen times out of 162 games.
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Re: ST: Blue Jays @ Rangers August 25-27 

Post#1482 » by PowerPlant1 » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:01 pm

Mehar wrote:I never understood this big deal about Tulo or Revere leading off. People forget that a leadoff hitter only leads off once a game. Not a big deal from my end to have Tulo as the guy to lead off from my end. This issue is a non-issue that is made to be a big deal, which i do not understand why.


But you wouldn't lead off with Cliff Penington, would you? So it is at least a bit important.

True, leadoff person leads off once but also gets to bat in front of Donaldson the whole game. You want someone to get on base so that Donaldson's damage is maximized. Another factor is that the leadoff hitter gets more AB. A final factor is that maybe Tulo isn't comfortable up there right now while struggling and may be better served batting 2nd, or in a reduced pressure role like 5th.

I like Revere leading off for speed and contact at bats. OBP is a consideration. His contact hits right now are wasted if the bottom of the order isn't producing: Pillar, Goins or worse, Pennington.
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Re: ST: Blue Jays @ Rangers August 25-27 

Post#1483 » by Mehar » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:45 pm

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Mehar wrote:I never understood this big deal about Tulo or Revere leading off. People forget that a leadoff hitter only leads off once a game. Not a big deal from my end to have Tulo as the guy to lead off from my end. This issue is a non-issue that is made to be a big deal, which i do not understand why.


But you wouldn't lead off with Cliff Penington, would you? So it is at least a bit important.

True, leadoff person leads off once but also gets to bat in front of Donaldson the whole game. You want someone to get on base so that Donaldson's damage is maximized. Another factor is that the leadoff hitter gets more AB. A final factor is that maybe Tulo isn't comfortable up there right now while struggling and may be better served batting 2nd, or in a reduced pressure role like 5th.

I like Revere leading off for speed and contact at bats. OBP is a consideration. His contact hits right now are wasted if the bottom of the order isn't producing: Pillar, Goins or worse, Pennington.


Good points from your end.
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Re: ST: Blue Jays @ Rangers August 25-27 

Post#1484 » by The_Hater » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:01 am

suntzuballin wrote:Hearing zaun talk revere hittin top of line up wouldnt be bad idea,isnt ussully speedy guys hit leadoff.


Speedy guys at the top of the order was a theory managers had years ago before the overwhelming information and data now available told them it was completely irrelevant.

And why would you even think of batting Tulo 2nd, when the probable league MVP has been killing it in that spot all season?
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Re: ST: Blue Jays @ Rangers August 25-27 

Post#1485 » by The_Hater » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:04 am

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So play him at SS then. By DH'ing him there were zero other options to play the MI on the bench while the positions were occupied by the lineups 2 weakest bats. Cola has been way hotter than Tulo so it wouldn't exactly be a head-scratching move to DH Cola and save Tulo for the exact situation that occurred in the 9th.

As it is, I'm not even sure why Tulo would need the day off from the field anyways when the Jays have already had 3 full days off in the past 10.

He has been playing shorstop though. It's just unfortunate that we were losing ,Gallardo pitched well, today was an afternoon game , yadda yadda yadda. Over the course of a season your star hitters will DH sometimes, similar to what Donaldson, Bautista, Edwin and other have done this season. Over a full season Tulo would maybe dh around a dozen times out of 162 games.


I have no problem with any of the players you listed DH'ing today, except Tulo, for all the reasons I mentioned previously. It's especially bad without Travis or Valencia around to at least give another MI option off the bench. Sorry but you'll never convince me that this was a good idea today.
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Re: ST: Blue Jays @ Rangers August 25-27 

Post#1486 » by BigLeagueChew » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:45 am

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I have no problem with any of the players you listed DH'ing today, except Tulo, for all the reasons I mentioned previously. It's especially bad without Travis or Valencia around to at least give another MI option off the bench. Sorry but you'll never convince me that this was a good idea today.


MI is middle infield? Valencia isn't one of those. I'm not sure why many people keep bringing this up.

Tulo could have been sore today or the team felt like it was good day to rest him at DH. You're looking at it from a one game perspective instead of thinking about it on a larger scale, which is more important and how few of amount of games this would be a factor in, somewhere around %15-20 of Tulo's games will be at DH.

Using the bench is a different topic but the idea that Tulowitzki should sit for Colabello isn't going to happen, but he(cola) will certaintly DH or play 1b finding at bats like he has most of the season(in other games) when better hitters are in the field already.

Finally, Gibbons could have pinch hit at the end there in the 9th inning. We were down 3 runs and had options on the bench, he probably should have pinch hit and worried about middle infield options after the game was potentially tied OR they lose still.
Having MI options doens't mean much when pinch hitting when you're losing you will do anything to tie it. It just comes down to weather whoever is at the plate is considered a better matchup than whoever is on the bench, unless that bench player is strictly on a day off.

We only have 6 'afternoon after night' games left, one of them at the end of the season. Would imagine we only see Tulo DH 2-3 times for the final month out of our remaining 35 games this year + playoffs..
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Re: ST: Blue Jays @ Rangers August 25-27 

Post#1487 » by azorian » Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:10 am

I think goins should lead off until he regresses. He's an obp machine at the moment lol

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Re: ST: Blue Jays @ Rangers August 25-27 

Post#1488 » by The_Hater » Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:55 am

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I have no problem with any of the players you listed DH'ing today, except Tulo, for all the reasons I mentioned previously. It's especially bad without Travis or Valencia around to at least give another MI option off the bench. Sorry but you'll never convince me that this was a good idea today.


MI is middle infield? Valencia isn't one of those. I'm not sure why many people keep bringing this up.

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Valancia can and has played 2b in multiple games this seasons. Obviously he's not the first option but he can play their in a pinch.
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Re: ST: Blue Jays @ Rangers August 25-27 

Post#1489 » by The_Hater » Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:58 am

azorian wrote:I think goins should lead off until he regresses. He's an obp machine at the moment lol

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Good God no, that's a terrible idea. Let him take all those walks in the 9 hole but this is still one of the worst offensive players in the league. 4 solid weeks doesn't change that.
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Re: ST: Blue Jays @ Rangers August 25-27 

Post#1490 » by And1Skip » Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:42 am

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BigLeagueChew wrote:
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So play him at SS then. By DH'ing him there were zero other options to play the MI on the bench while the positions were occupied by the lineups 2 weakest bats. Cola has been way hotter than Tulo so it wouldn't exactly be a head-scratching move to DH Cola and save Tulo for the exact situation that occurred in the 9th.

As it is, I'm not even sure why Tulo would need the day off from the field anyways when the Jays have already had 3 full days off in the past 10.

He has been playing shorstop though. It's just unfortunate that we were losing ,Gallardo pitched well, today was an afternoon game , yadda yadda yadda. Over the course of a season your star hitters will DH sometimes, similar to what Donaldson, Bautista, Edwin and other have done this season. Over a full season Tulo would maybe dh around a dozen times out of 162 games.


I have no problem with any of the players you listed DH'ing today, except Tulo, for all the reasons I mentioned previously. It's especially bad without Travis or Valencia around to at least give another MI option off the bench. Sorry but you'll never convince me that this was a good idea today.


Can't Martin play 2nd base? He has already this season and he played SS for Canada at the World Cup. Yeah I know Martin's hammy is hurt so maybe he couldn't play, but Martin is a better MI than Valencia ever was.
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Re: ST: Blue Jays @ Rangers August 25-27 

Post#1491 » by Potential » Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:53 am

If that's what it takes to beat the blue jays then ok lol
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Re: ST: Blue Jays @ Rangers August 25-27 

Post#1492 » by suntzuballin » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:38 pm

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suntzuballin wrote:Hearing zaun talk revere hittin top of line up wouldnt be bad idea,isnt ussully speedy guys hit leadoff.


Speedy guys at the top of the order was a theory managers had years ago before the overwhelming information and data now available told them it was completely irrelevant.

And why would you even think of batting Tulo 2nd, when the probable league MVP has been killing it in that spot all season?

just a thought man,if effects his numbers that much batting say 3rd leave him there then.

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