Giannis with NT Greece

[Presence]

Wait to go full, too bad for you that this means that Giannis will play even more now instead of resting during off season but ok.

Sorry, I'm not really sure what either of those sentences mean.

It means that your comment was foolish.
With this loss Giannis will play for the 5th-6th place and after that he will play at the Pre olympic tournament which he otherwise wouldn't.....

We were told that no other games would follow, now that's a bummer.

Well, fingers crossed that he'll avoid playing in that pre-olympic tournament as long as these people are in the Greek NT.

[Magic Giannison]

Sorry, I'm not really sure what either of those sentences mean.

It means that your comment was foolish.
With this loss Giannis will play for the 5th-6th place and after that he will play at the Pre olympic tournament which he otherwise wouldn't.....

We were told that no other games would follow, now that's a bummer.

Well, fingers crossed that he'll avoid playing in that pre-olympic tournament as long as these people are in the Greek NT.

Giannis vowed to play in the NT for ever, no way he misses a single match when he is healthy.

[RealBucksFan]

The problem is that Giannis isn't being used as a screener or a ball handler on the PnR. Greece is super reliant on running a lot of PnRs and Giannis isn't great at those quick hitting PnRs Greece runs. His defender didn't help off him too much, so he couldn't make as much of an impact as a shooter.

Things will be different with the Bucks. I wouldn't overreact to his awkward fit on the Greek team. He still is making an impact on the stat sheet due to his hustle and his talent.

[GeoBar]

A 20y.o kid was a man between boys today.
He was everywhere,he did everything. He could do more than this if coach and teammates trusted him more in offence.
This is Giannis' team for the next 10+ years.

[Remon]

We were told that no other games would follow, now that's a bummer.

Well, fingers crossed that he'll avoid playing in that pre-olympic tournament as long as these people are in the Greek NT.

Bourousis, the "skilled" center, said that he will retire from NT, and I'm hoping Spanoulis and Zisis will follow suit.

The next few years this is Giannis and Charalampopoulos team, hopefully.

[ReasonablySober]

He's a little unselfish to a fault, however. If he's the best player on the court (and he is) then he could probably stand to force the issue a bit more. He often doesn't even think to make a move when he gets the ball at the top of the key. He could have called for a clearout or try to take his guy into the post.

That said, he was largely ignored.

It takes a bit for veteran teams to trust a 20 year old kid. I don't think he can be demanding yet unless he wants to have everyone on the team hate him.

To borrow a line from a good TV show crank, "They'll like us when we win".

They're gonna go home because crappier players took dumb shots. Maybe they advance with the vets deferring to the more talented kid.

[bigkurty]

So I didn't watch any of the games, but is there any concern that Giannis is disappearing for stretches by those that watched the games? That was a problem for him last year at times, and if he wants to be great (which I do believe), he needs to assert himself and play with more energy more often.

Thoughts from those that watched the games?

He was ignored by the Greek guards. You can't assert yourself if you are wide open and someone would rather "dribble, dribble, dribble, 3...2...1... contested 3!!!" He was completely all over the place today, best player on the court. It's up to the coaches to utilize his skill set.

This! He is wide open for a corner three or for a base line drive all the time, the guard with the ball will be on his side and refuse to pass to him. Instead they pass it back across the court over multiple defenders on a riskier pass. Its asinine basketball to watch at times. He didn't disappear today. The guards ignored him. It was full on Brandon Knight hero ball BS or just dumb ass decision making by the guards that froze Giannis out a lot.

[Presence]

It means that your comment was foolish.
With this loss Giannis will play for the 5th-6th place and after that he will play at the Pre olympic tournament which he otherwise wouldn't.....

We were told that no other games would follow, now that's a bummer.

Well, fingers crossed that he'll avoid playing in that pre-olympic tournament as long as these people are in the Greek NT.

Giannis vowed to play in the NT for ever, no way he misses a single match when he is healthy.

I reaaaaaally hope that this experience changed his mind. He showed signs of frustration in the group stage and being so much better than everyone else in this last game and still getting ignored ought to make him think twice about participating anytime soon.

Spanoulis or whoever might have been a good player when he was younger, but he's just embarrassing himself playing like that and shooting bricks all day long.

[Magic Giannison]

We were told that no other games would follow, now that's a bummer.

Well, fingers crossed that he'll avoid playing in that pre-olympic tournament as long as these people are in the Greek NT.

Giannis vowed to play in the NT for ever, no way he misses a single match when he is healthy.

I reaaaaaally hope that this experience changed his mind. He showed signs of frustration in the group stage and being so much better than everyone else in this last game and still getting ignored ought to make him think twice about participating anytime soon.

Spanoulis or whoever might have been a good player when he was younger, but he's just embarrassing himself playing like that and shooting bricks all day long.

It is harsh to judge a player for 1 bad game when he won you plenty of them.
Giannis was frustrated because of the loss and not the lack of passes imo, he knew that team got priority and with all veterans there no way a 20 years old gets the first role.
Only Zisis was the only giving Giannis the ball....

[Prez]

This is one of the reasons why I'm so excited by how young our starting 5 is. No late 20s, 30 something year old vets trying to assert themselves or showcase their dominance. No respect/seniority driven agendaball. Just a bunch of young, hungry players playing to win, with a coaching staff that treats everyone equally. If and when Giannis shows this type of stuff during the season, he will get the ball. No question.

Also, to Presence..I thought Spanoulis was more or less solid in the 2nd half. Rough 1st half but he made some big plays in the 2nd half, especially in the 3rd Q. It was Calathes that constantly destroyed the offense. Almost redeemed himself towards the end but it was his garbage play before that that put Greece in that hole.

[M-C-G]

This! He is wide open for a corner three or for a base line drive all the time, the guard with the ball will be on his side and refuse to pass to him. Instead they pass it back across the court over multiple defenders on a riskier pass. Its asinine basketball to watch at times. He didn't disappear today. The guards ignored him. It was full on Brandon Knight hero ball BS or just dumb ass decision making by the guards that froze Giannis out a lot.

Just to clarify, I'm not suggesting he disappeared today, more trying to understand of when he has disappeared for the Greek NT why was it. For the Bucks last year, it was often because he just didn't bring the energy or have the confidence.

Sounds like for the Greek NT it is system, guard play and coaching more than anything else. Which is what I was hoping to hear.

[Presence]

Giannis vowed to play in the NT for ever, no way he misses a single match when he is healthy.

I reaaaaaally hope that this experience changed his mind. He showed signs of frustration in the group stage and being so much better than everyone else in this last game and still getting ignored ought to make him think twice about participating anytime soon.

Spanoulis or whoever might have been a good player when he was younger, but he's just embarrassing himself playing like that and shooting bricks all day long.

It is harsh to judge a player for 1 bad game when he won you plenty of them.
Giannis was frustrated because of the loss and not the lack of passes imo, he knew that team got priority and with all veterans there no way a 20 years old gets the first role.
Only Zisis was the only giving Giannis the ball....

How the hell does letting veterans **** on vastly more talented players make sense? Like Drew Gooden saying for Cleveland in 2006.. "Shut up, Lebron, I'm 26 and you're 22, I call the shots"?

[PANDEMONEUM]

i thought in this game vs Spain, they were looking and finding Giannis MORE,
than they were in the other games.

maybe because he played the most minutes,
maybe it made me think they looked for him or he touched the ball more

[ZeppelinPage]

A lot of his points came from his own doing, whether it be offensive rebounding, pull-up 3 or a fastbreak. In the half court he wasn't getting the ball much at all and was probably afraid to demand it considering he is so much younger than everyone else. Coach should have set plays up for him still.

[Magic Giannison]

I reaaaaaally hope that this experience changed his mind. He showed signs of frustration in the group stage and being so much better than everyone else in this last game and still getting ignored ought to make him think twice about participating anytime soon.

Spanoulis or whoever might have been a good player when he was younger, but he's just embarrassing himself playing like that and shooting bricks all day long.

It is harsh to judge a player for 1 bad game when he won you plenty of them.
Giannis was frustrated because of the loss and not the lack of passes imo, he knew that team got priority and with all veterans there no way a 20 years old gets the first role.
Only Zisis was the only giving Giannis the ball....

How the hell does letting veterans **** on vastly more talented players make sense? Like Drew Gooden saying for Cleveland in 2006.. "Shut up, Lebron, I'm 26 and you're 22, I call the shots"?

Because Giannis havent achieved anything yet and he is considered inexperienced.
You got players that are at least 10 years older than him with tons of titles from euro and world cup . Sure i agree that this mentality shouldnt be the one to go but in this game the biggest problem was the coach, terrible descisions, didnt used Sloukas and Mantzaris which are the fastest guards we got and could go against LlulL and Rodriges yet they played 2 seconds 1 and 2 minutes the other one....
He never took a timeout for 8 minutes durring 4th quarter when team was scoring ONLY 4 FREAKING points for 8 minutes, WTF.
Giannis will take over this team, Koufos will stay sloukas as well and from behind comes insane young talent.Hopefully thanasis comes as well.

[Dcebucks11]

the only one i dislike on greece is no.10.. that guy can retire already.. he never passes to giannis, looks frustrated when giannis doesn't give him the ball, and never is excited when giannis makes a big play

[H2tObes]

Insane that Giannis continues to surpass my expectations every step of the way. He looks great and ready to take the next step this upcoming season.

[Magic Giannison]

the only one i dislike on greece is no.10.. that guy can retire already.. he never passes to giannis, looks frustrated when giannis doesn't give him the ball, and never is excited when giannis makes a big play

That guy is young and he is good, he and Giannis will be the next leaders of this team along with Kalathes.
The problem is how our team plays tbh rather individual choices. Sloukas is a more shooting type of a guy and he is extremely fast, he reminds me some of Spanoulis SG back in the days ( obviously not there yet).
It will change, as Giannis improves and new guys come to NT .

[imithanos]

Sad day this one.. We lost clearly from a not better team. We paid for our offensive drought in the 4th Q. I still can't believe it. 4 points in 8,5' in the 4th Q!!

The whole tournament was not progressing well from the moment Papanikolaou showed such a form. He became our 11th-12th player in rotation!!! With him on normal form, Giannis would have played 15-20 as PF.

It's even more bitter that we lost against Spain. In the last 9 years we have only won once against them.

And please try to stop the antι-Greek comments. As much as I love Giannis and although he played great, I care(we Greeks care) more about the result. Giannis did some crucial mistakes on the 4th Q too. It's as if Jabari will play for the US in the future and after a disqualifying defeat, I try to put salt on a wound with my comments such why Curry or Davis didn't play him more. So I kindly ask you to **** off!

He's a little unselfish to a fault, however. If he's the best player on the court (and he is) then he could probably stand to force the issue a bit more. He often doesn't even think to make a move when he gets the ball at the top of the key. He could have called for a clearout or try to take his guy into the post.

That said, he was largely ignored.

It takes a bit for veteran teams to trust a 20 year old kid. I don't think he can be demanding yet unless he wants to have everyone on the team hate him.

As for this comment I agree totally. He was by far the youngest in our roster (5years from the next youngest one). It takes balls to trust the fate of the team in such an inexperienced player. But it speaks for Giannis that he has established himself as a starter in this team.
I also laugh about the comment about trusting the team on Giannis and Charalampopoulos.. 2-3 players will surely retire or won't be good enough to play next year, but the Greek team will rely in the future on Giannis, Sloukas, Mantaris, Papanikolaou, Calathes and Koufos. It's a decent core. And although we hope some youngsters(like Papagiannis and Charalabopoulos) will turn good, it's on Giannis' progress that we rely and trust our hopes to be again a top team.

[Presence]

Bucks board, sorry.