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Cola v Smoak

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Re: Cola v Smoak 

Post#21 » by BigLeagueChew » Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:12 pm

bluerap23 wrote:
Is this based on 1B only?
I read on baseball reference that Smoak's is -0.1
I assume all 1B have negative dWar because they very rarely have the opportunity to do something above average.


Yeah 1b only for the stats I listed for 2015. Didn't include LF for Cola.

dwar uses range factor but also includes other positions played during the year as well. So Cola's dwar would include his play in left field this year making his dwar lower than it should be(since we know LF isn't the best spot for Cola) and of course if he is DH dwar doesn't change, while Smoak has been at 1b all year and rarely DH.

Most 1b are in the lineup for their bat and are the biggest players on the team. It's the position you're expected to have the most production from offensively other than outfielders or 3b , it's somewhat expected that they have the least range or are the the worst defensively of all the infielders in general. The other thing as well, the ball is hit up the middle more often than 1b, and yeah less opportunity to do something average other than a simple catch from an infielder, relay throw, or a bad throw in the firt they have to scoop.
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Re: Cola v Smoak 

Post#22 » by Sticks » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:49 am

Having watched both play 1st base.... smoak is a better defender but definitely not as big of a gap as the dWAR says...

Like I said before colabello is a much better hitter and smoak is just a bit better defensively.

I just think colabello should be playing more often because he hits for such a high average and we need guys to get on base in the 6 7 8 and 9 spots on offense.

Bring in smoak when we have a lead in the 7th or something. But yea # freecolabello !!
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Re: Cola v Smoak 

Post#23 » by North_of_Border » Thu Oct 8, 2015 11:54 pm

Smoak is the prototypical 1B. I think the Jays view him as potential long term 1B, though theres a lot to improve on before that happens. He is young but still would have to be considered a late bloomer if he succeeds in that path.

Colabelo is the superior hitter. Less potential but a better talent as far now goes. I like Colabelo. Though he is not a typical 1B or LF because of defense issues. He is a good hitter without a field position....a DH
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Re: Cola v Smoak 

Post#24 » by pingpongrac » Fri Oct 9, 2015 12:11 am

Colabello has had some huge hits this year and he's been pretty darn consistent, even if it has to do with some BABIP luck. That being said, for most of the season, I was advocating for more playtime for Smoak because of his power and defense. He made a few errors down the stretch and his bat really tailed off, though, and it seems like he's good for at least one K and a GIDP every game now. On the other hand, Colabello's defense improved as the season went on and his average never dropped below .300. I'm starting to lean more towards Colabello now, and he becomes especially important if Bautista/Donaldson is/are unavailable. Good thing they'll see a lefty tomorrow!
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Re: Cola v Smoak 

Post#25 » by kingcns187 » Fri Oct 9, 2015 12:17 pm

We all know Gibby likes to play the matchups. With a RH Gallardo on the mound, it made sense to go with Smoak as our lineup is predominantly right-handed hitters.

With the left handed Hamels this afternoon, I would hope Gibby goes with Cola instead of Smoak. IF its a matter of defense we will see him at DH and EE at first base.
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Post#26 » by ldnk » Fri Oct 9, 2015 3:02 pm

kingcns187 wrote:We all know Gibby likes to play the matchups. With a RH Gallardo on the mound, it made sense to go with Smoak as our lineup is predominantly right-handed hitters.

With the left handed Hamels this afternoon, I would hope Gibby goes with Cola instead of Smoak. IF its a matter of defense we will see him at DH and EE at first base.


Colabello is a much better defensive 1B than Edwin.
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Re: Cola v Smoak 

Post#27 » by MikeM » Fri Oct 9, 2015 5:26 pm

I never really believed in that "he's a ballplayer" crap but I think Colabello's a ballplayer and Smoak is not.
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Re: Cola v Smoak 

Post#28 » by Brinbe » Fri Oct 9, 2015 5:26 pm

SERIOUSLY, SCREW SMOAK. NEVER PLAY HIM AGAIN. COLABELLO ISN'T AN AUTO OUT. So disappointed that Gibby didn't make this change sooner
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Re: Cola v Smoak 

Post#29 » by The_Hater » Fri Oct 9, 2015 5:48 pm

I've always been on the Cola bandwagon but Smoak actually hit very well the last 5 weeks of the season. Better than Cola.

Of course Smoak also made several errors during that span and he's supposed to be the glove man. They seem to have switched spots with that.
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Re: Cola v Smoak 

Post#30 » by ldnk » Fri Oct 9, 2015 5:52 pm

The_Hater wrote:I've always been on the Cola bandwagon but Smoak actually hit very well the last 5 weeks of the season. Better than Cola.

Of course Smoak also made several errors during that span and he's supposed to be the glove man. They seem to have switched spots with that.


Smoak hit .245 in September/October
Colabello hit .309

Colabello had a better average, on base percentage, and OPS. Smoak had a slightly better SLG percentage.
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Re: Cola v Smoak 

Post#31 » by The_Hater » Fri Oct 9, 2015 5:54 pm

ldnk wrote:
The_Hater wrote:I've always been on the Cola bandwagon but Smoak actually hit very well the last 5 weeks of the season. Better than Cola.

Of course Smoak also made several errors during that span and he's supposed to be the glove man. They seem to have switched spots with that.


Smoak hit .245 in September/October
Colabello hit .309

Colabello had a better average, on base percentage, and OPS. Smoak had a slightly better SLG percentage.


I stand corrected. Smoak had a 900 Ops last time I checked in late September. He must have finished poorly.

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Re: Cola v Smoak 

Post#32 » by Asianiac_24 » Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:04 am

Smoak should be coming off the bench every game. Colabello is so much more superior to Smoak with the bat, dude is a 300+ hitter with decent power.
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Re: Cola v Smoak 

Post#33 » by StopitLeo » Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:36 am

Yesterday made no sense. Putting Pompey in to run was the right move....except when you don't have him steal a base. So really what we did was take Colabello's bat out for Smoak's. And you can't even argue about defense at 1B because Colabello was having a great game. Smh.
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Re: Cola v Smoak 

Post#34 » by lobosloboslobos » Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:57 pm

Colabello has been excellent defensively and his slugging % is .750 in the series. Why are we always taking him out?
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Re: Cola v Smoak 

Post#35 » by BetterCallSaul » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:35 pm

I think it's just that Smoak is more likely to complete big double plays and big plays in general at 1b. Colabello is solid but Smoak has the ability to be incredible.
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Re: Cola v Smoak 

Post#36 » by Natural11 » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:45 pm

Gibbons would be insane to start Smoak against Gallardo again. Colabello is getting big hits, playing good D and Smoak did absolutely nothing against him last time.
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Re: Cola v Smoak 

Post#37 » by Xaos » Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:09 am

Colabello starts game 5, even with Gallardo pitching. No way you take his bat out of the lineup and put in Smoak. Smoak hasn't done anything at the plate to tell me otherwise.
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