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Liqourish · Post #821 » by **Liqourish** » Wed Oct 7, 2015 4:09 pm

Cowology wrote:Surprised Will Bynum is playing in China again. Solid spark off the bench that should be able to find a home here. Guess he really loves playing and wants to be a starter.

He just not a good player.

zeebneeb · Post #822 » by **zeebneeb** » Thu Oct 8, 2015 12:28 am

The Knicks team is just **** brutal. Holy hell. That's a team with a max ceiling of 32 wins.

Carmelo better enjoy that money because there is no way in hell they have any shot in the next two years. They need multiple pieces.

tmorgan · Post #823 » by **tmorgan** » Thu Oct 8, 2015 7:25 am

zeebneeb wrote:The Knicks team is just **** brutal. Holy hell. That's a team with a max ceiling of 32 wins.

Carmelo better enjoy that money because there is no way in hell they have any shot in the next two years. They need multiple pieces.

And you're surprised by this?

1 pseudo-superstar that doesn't make his teammates better
1 intriguing but raw as hell rookie
1 goofy looking big that's serviceable but not much on offense
1 wing that's a solid 3 & D guy but not much more
1 PG that's just about the worst defender in the league

and a bench of meh? That doesn't scream playoffs to you?

zeebneeb · Post #824 » by **zeebneeb** » Thu Oct 8, 2015 1:24 pm

tmorgan wrote:
zeebneeb wrote:The Knicks team is just **** brutal. Holy hell. That's a team with a max ceiling of 32 wins.

Carmelo better enjoy that money because there is no way in hell they have any shot in the next two years. They need multiple pieces.

And you're surprised by this?

1 pseudo-superstar that doesn't make his teammates better
1 intriguing but raw as hell rookie
1 goofy looking big that's serviceable but not much on offense
1 wing that's a solid 3 & D guy but not much more
1 PG that's just about the worst defender in the league

and a bench of meh? That doesn't scream playoffs to you?

Not surprising buy eye opening at just how Mish mash that roster is. I mean of course there are Knick fans who think playoffs but even trying to view that team in a positive light is tough.

Defensively they are going to be just awful and on offense I can see the triangle breaking down alot and turning into alot of Carmelo iso's.

Looking at a roster on paper and seeing that same roster on the floor is just a little different.

What's worse is that I am pretty sure they don't have thier assuredly high draft pick this year making it even worse.

DBC10 · Post #825 » by **DBC10** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:14 pm

Knicks don't even have a draft pick this year at all IIRC. So they literally have no choice but to play hard this season.

Being a Pistons fan is one thing of being terrible, but the Knicks are on a whole different level. They're molded by the mediocrity, born in it.

DBC10 · Post #826 » by **DBC10** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:07 pm

Does anyone see a lot of Wade in Justise Winslow? The slashing ability as well as the body control when attacking the rim or to draw fouls is very reminiscent of a younger Wade. Plus, the way he slashes is more of in the mold of an SG rather than the SF position he's advertised to play. Way to early to say he'll reach that level, but I think his absolute max ceiling is a mixture of Wade and some other player.

I don't think he'll ever reach it, but Winslow and Johnson should be a nice rivalry for years to come.

zeebneeb · Post #827 » by **zeebneeb** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:35 pm

I like some of Miamis team but Heat fans are just nuts. No other way to put it. It would seem alot of them would take Whiteside over Drummond and he'll make the all star team this year over Drummond.

I don't even know how to respond to that without sounding like a prick.

Post #828 » by **Snakebites** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:29 pm

zeebneeb wrote:I like some of Miamis team but Heat fans are just nuts. No other way to put it. It would seem alot of them would take Whiteside over Drummond and he'll make the all star team this year over Drummond.

I don't even know how to respond to that without sounding like a prick.

Drummond is a better rebounder but Whiteside is ahead of him defensively. He doesn't score as well but he also shoots better than 39% from the free throw line. Drummond has more upside and I'd never make the swap but I'd go so far as to say that if we had Whiteside and they had Drummond we might be saying the same thing. I don't know how absurd a notion it really is.

*Ducks*

DBC10 · Post #829 » by **DBC10** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:02 pm

zeebneeb wrote:I like some of Miamis team but Heat fans are just nuts. No other way to put it. It would seem alot of them would take Whiteside over Drummond and he'll make the all star team this year over Drummond.

I don't even know how to respond to that without sounding like a prick.

Whiteside's per/36 numbers are actually insane and his totals considering last year when he only played 23 minutes are also incredible too. 11/10 with 2.6 blocks in 23ish minutes is mighty impressive.

I'd still take Dre since he's younger, and the Heat fans do overhype their players, but Hassan is a safe player to be excited about.

Phenomenonsense · Post #830 » by **Phenomenonsense** » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:57 am

Whiteside reminds me too much of Lin for me to take him based off of limited time to have an opinion on yet.

DBC10 · Post #831 » by **DBC10** » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:21 pm

Phenomenonsense wrote:Whiteside reminds me too much of Lin for me to take him based off of limited time to have an opinion on yet.

Physically, the guy is gifted as all hell. He's not the most explosive center in the league, but he can easily reach the rim without jumping which contributes to his elite block numbers. His arm span is nuts just shy of being Rudy Gobert's reach

DBC10 · Post #832 » by **DBC10** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:47 pm

I think the ROY race will be between Mudiay, Okafor, and maybe SJ (if he starts).

I really love what I'm seeing from Mudiay, the guy is smooth and his vision on the court is great.

princeofpalace · Post #833 » by **princeofpalace** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:59 pm

Snakebites wrote:
zeebneeb wrote:I like some of Miamis team but Heat fans are just nuts. No other way to put it. It would seem alot of them would take Whiteside over Drummond and he'll make the all star team this year over Drummond.

I don't even know how to respond to that without sounding like a prick.

Drummond is a better rebounder but Whiteside is ahead of him defensively. He doesn't score as well but he also shoots better than 39% from the free throw line. Drummond has more upside and I'd never make the swap but I'd go so far as to say that if we had Whiteside and they had Drummond we might be saying the same thing. I don't know how absurd a notion it really is.

*Ducks*

I think Whiteside and Drummond are almost on par as rebounding is concerned. Statistically, Whiteside outperformed Andre as a rebounder last season. Whiteside averaged 10 boards in 23 minutes, which translates to 15.2 in 36mpg and a TRB of 25.4. While Drummond averaged 13.5 in 30 minutes, 15.9 PER36 and a TRB of 24. Whiteside is also a much better shotblocker and defender. Drummond has more trade value because he is younger but HW is probably the more impactful player at this stage.

mattao313 · Post #834 » by **mattao313** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:23 pm

princeofpalace wrote:
Snakebites wrote:
zeebneeb wrote:I like some of Miamis team but Heat fans are just nuts. No other way to put it. It would seem alot of them would take Whiteside over Drummond and he'll make the all star team this year over Drummond.

I don't even know how to respond to that without sounding like a prick.

Drummond is a better rebounder but Whiteside is ahead of him defensively. He doesn't score as well but he also shoots better than 39% from the free throw line. Drummond has more upside and I'd never make the swap but I'd go so far as to say that if we had Whiteside and they had Drummond we might be saying the same thing. I don't know how absurd a notion it really is.

*Ducks*

I think Whiteside and Drummond are almost on par as rebounding is concerned. Statistically, Whiteside outperformed Andre as a rebounder last season. Whiteside averaged 10 boards in 23 minutes, which translates to 15.2 in 36mpg and a TRB of 25.4. While Drummond averaged 13.5 in 30 minutes, 15.9 PER36 and a TRB of 24. Whiteside is also a much better shotblocker and defender. Drummond has more trade value because he is younger but HW is probably the more impactful player at this stage.

Whiteside has problems on defense just like andre. He blocks a lot of shots so people think he is good a defense.

zeebneeb · Post #835 » by **zeebneeb** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:17 pm

princeofpalace wrote:
Snakebites wrote:
zeebneeb wrote:I like some of Miamis team but Heat fans are just nuts. No other way to put it. It would seem alot of them would take Whiteside over Drummond and he'll make the all star team this year over Drummond.

I don't even know how to respond to that without sounding like a prick.

Drummond is a better rebounder but Whiteside is ahead of him defensively. He doesn't score as well but he also shoots better than 39% from the free throw line. Drummond has more upside and I'd never make the swap but I'd go so far as to say that if we had Whiteside and they had Drummond we might be saying the same thing. I don't know how absurd a notion it really is.

*Ducks*

I think Whiteside and Drummond are almost on par as rebounding is concerned. Statistically, Whiteside outperformed Andre as a rebounder last season. Whiteside averaged 10 boards in 23 minutes, which translates to 15.2 in 36mpg and a TRB of 25.4. While Drummond averaged 13.5 in 30 minutes, 15.9 PER36 and a TRB of 24. Whiteside is also a much better shotblocker and defender. Drummond has more trade value because he is younger but HW is probably the more impactful player at this stage.

Of course. Much better. *sigh*

ElectricMayhem · Post #836 » by **ElectricMayhem** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:28 am

Kirsten is looking at this thread and feeling vindicated.

hoophabit · Post #837 » by **hoophabit** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:56 am

I watched a Heat preseason game recently and observed Whiteside choose to stay with his man while a player dunked unmolested. Clearly, he is stupid and lazy.

coordinator0 · Post #838 » by **coordinator0** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:36 pm

ElectricMayhem wrote:Kirsten is looking at this thread and feeling vindicated.

Not only Whiteside, but Vucevic too. I'm not sure what to make of it.

hoophabit · Post #839 » by **hoophabit** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:01 pm

I'd have to say she deserves some credit for spotting talent. Whiteside's situation is such that whether he was a reasonable draft choice at the time remains debatable. It took him years to get his act together. Vucevic has looked pretty good right along.

coordinator0 · Post #840 » by **coordinator0** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:18 pm

I'm not sure if credit can really be given though since Kirsten's hype for those two guys was based all on their measurements.