Dennis just demanded to be starting PG by next season

[MaceCase]

If you go by certain stats you'd notice that Dennis has been a worse pro than the guy people are complaining that the Hawks overpaid for. Funny how being on different teams can change the perception of your value.

[Jamaaliver]

Forget value.

DS makes 2 million a year. So, I assume we would be looking to upgrade a wing position, of which we already have:
Baze
Thabo
Korver
THJ
Holiday
Patterson

Ill ask you again, who is trading FOR DS and giving you BETTER options that what I just listed?

YES DS value is probably equal to another 2million dollar a year player which is what we ALREADY HAVE. Hes not worth Jabari Parker, hes not worth Dieng, hes not worth Mirotic. Seriously? thats more a WOW to me that you even think thats close to the same "value".

Those guys are 10 times the player DS is (maybe not Dieng but he has size).

I'm at a loss. But, hey, time will tell.

Perhaps Bazemore, Holliday, Patterson are better than I believe.

Maybe Dennis Schroeder really is hot garbage and I just don't realize it yet.

My very existence is god's mistake...so, ummm, yeah. What do I know?

[MaceCase]

Feeling a little emo there, bud? Why is that your patented fallback whenever people disagree with your opinion? There are some rather salient points as to why you are overvaluing Dennis's trade value and/or potential but I guess kicking that can with your head down is a more intuitive response.

[Jamaaliver]

Feeling a little emo there, bud? Why is that your patented fallback whenever people disagree with your opinion? There are some rather salient points as to why you are overvaluing Dennis's trade value and/or potential but I guess kicking that can with your head down is a more intuitive response.

I'm not sure I understand.

But, I respectfully disagree.

This debate, like most things, will become more clear with time.

No need to argue over if it's going to rain tomorrow...we can just wait and see if it's going to rain tomorrow.

I love PandaKidd. He, Adnan and RIP are probably my three all time faves on this board. I often disagree with their assessments, but have no problem considering their opinions and input.

Time will tell whether Dennis's stellar season makes him more valuable or less so moving forward.

I encourage you to refer back to this thread ANYTIME in the future.

[MaceCase]

What's there not to understand? You're talking about moving Dennis for Jabari Parker amongst a litany of others and getting miffed by the responses. His salary, production and perceived potential are all obvious obstacles to overcome in crafting a deal for him today. Not everyone Stans for the kid but yeesh, no need to string up that noose in your living room just yet. Just say you disagree, why you disagree and move on. The emotional antics are unbeco......unwarranted.

[Jamaaliver]

What's there not to understand? You're talking about moving Dennis for Jabari Parker amongst a litany of others and getting miffed by the responses. His salary, production and perceived potential are all obvious obstacles to overcome in crafting a deal for him today. Not everyone Stans for the kid but yeesh, no need to string up that noose in your living room just yet. Just say you disagree, why you disagree and move on. The emotional antics are unbeco......unwarranted.

I honestly have no idea what you're referring to.

I'm at a loss. But, hey, time will tell. Perhaps Bazemore, Holliday, Patterson are better than I believe. Maybe Dennis Schroeder really is hot garbage and I just don't realize it yet.

^This is me literally considering openly that I am wrong. Sticking a pin it and moving on.

The Bucks fans hammered that point home very clearly, they value Jabari and Giannis light years more than anything DS could bring them. Fair enough.

^This is me acknowledging that others greatly disagree with my opinions.

I have no issue with anything said in the thread.

No noose. No emotion. No threats, insults, yelling.

I value PK's opinion greatly. As well as RIP's.

I honestly do not understand what you're referring to.

[MaceCase]

The point could have been easily made without the use of the passive aggressiveness, mock self-deprecation, and now feigned ignorance but have at it, chief.

[raferfenix]

Hey Hawks fans, really appreciate your insight here!

Definitely not coming around your board to pile on. It sucks if he is really upset (could be more of a media thing than reality) and the public squawking is unfortunate for any fan.

Certainly appreciate that you value Schroeder highly too. I remember the Rondo comparisons in particular, though could see that being lazy analysis -- especially if he can shoot a bit.

Question: if the franchise is indeed very high on Schroeder, do you think Teague will ultimately be the one to go?

Have been thinking about that since this news came out -- and remembering how Hammond had the Bucks sign Teague to an offer sheet.

[MaceCase]

Hey Hawks fans, really appreciate your insight here!

Definitely not coming around your board to pile on. It sucks if he is really upset (could be more of a media thing than reality) and the public squawking is unfortunate for any fan.

Certainly appreciate that you value Schroeder highly too. I remember the Rondo comparisons in particular, though could see that being lazy analysis.

Question: if the franchise is indeed very high on Scroeder, do you think Teague will ultimately be the one to go?

Have been thinking about that since this news came out -- and remembering how Hammond had the Bucks sign Teague to an offer sheet.

Don't know, getting the sense that the team had interest in Murray State PG Cameron Payne as both the GM and now the announcer is confirming or just parroting that OKC selecting him precipitated the team trading out of 15. Don't know who exactly that would affect either Teague or Dennis but obviously cap economics would come into effect given that one would be eligible for a higher salary than the other but Shelvin Mack, and that they are looking at Lamar Patterson being an emergency PG also lends credence to the idea that one or both of the PGs could be on the outs.

[jayu70]

Much a do about nothing until next offseason.
Bud mentioned on radio today to expect to see more Teague and Shroeder playing together.

Dennis has to take another step this year just like he did from his first season to 2nd season, so saying he wants to start and proving he can be a starter are two entirely different things.

This is Teague's 7th year and we've seen the leap he has made under Bud, Dennis is still a young pup with loads of potential to get better.

What game changing player can be had for Dennis' $2 million that can come in and make us SIGNIFICANTLY better right now? No pie in the sky stuff.

[MrPerfect1]

I think he only way you are getting value for Schroder is if you package him with Horford. No one else on the team is movable with enough salary to get back a solid player. That said....dion waiters is probably the only player you could get for Schroder on that list...and...well...no.

Bucks fans are already plotting ways to get Schroeder. Wondering what it takes to acquire him.

Having Parker on that list is just crazy.

I don't follow. because his value is too low for DS?

Or his value is too great?

If Jabari's stock is that low due to injury (which hopefully it is), then we simply demand more value in return. That's how trade's work...

Parker has far more value than Schroeder. Bucks fans would like 1 of either Teague or Schroeder, but nobody would think of including Parker ( it is similar to how Utah would like a PG but they are not moving Favors or Gobert for one).

[atlantabbq99]

If any team in next years draft offers a top 8 pick for either Teague or Dennis, the Hawks should listen.

[PandaKidd]

No one is offering a top 8 pick for either of them.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Its kind of laughable what you can get for DS, and FWIW Parker makes like 4 million dollars more per year than DS , he was the #2 overall pick .

[azuresou1]

Dennis has some value around the league but he's not fetching a 'franchise cornerstone' type piece like Jabari or Giannis. Which is a shame because we had promised Giannis and he went a single pick before us...

Anyways, I don't think Dennis on his own fetches us anyone that makes us better. He fills a valuable role as our lead bench PG, and our team already has a lot of depth. What we don't have is upper-tier talent.

I'd personally hold on to him, since we have his rights for a long time anyways, and hope that he improves his play and trade value. If he's still unhappy down the road, I'd package him with some of our other depth guys and draft picks for a blue chip piece.

[Jamaaliver]

Dennis has some value around the league but he's not fetching a 'franchise cornerstone' type piece like Jabari or Giannis.

Fair enough. Appreciate the input.

Any thoughts on DS bringing in a wing like Dario Saric or James Young?

Young guys that could thrive in our system.

Dario, in particular seems a good fit as PHI Coach Brett brown runs a system similar to ours and is in need of a PG. I recall hearing that Ferry had immense interest in Dario heading into that draft.

[atlantabbq99]

No one is offering a top 8 pick for either of them.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Its kind of laughable what you can get for DS, and FWIW Parker makes like 4 million dollars more per year than DS , he was the #2 overall pick .

Teague or Dennis could easily get a top 8 pick. Jrue Holiday got a top 5 pick a few years ago and the talent in the 2016 draft is just as bad or as shallow as the talent in the 2013 draft.

[jayu70]

Dennis has some value around the league but he's not fetching a 'franchise cornerstone' type piece like Jabari or Giannis.

Fair enough. Appreciate the input.

Any thoughts on DS bringing in a wing like Dario Saric or James Young?

Young guys that could thrive in our system.

Dario, in particular seems a good fit as PHI Coach Brett brown runs a system similar to ours and is in need of a PG. I recall hearing that Ferry had immense interest in Dario heading into that draft.

Saric won't help this season so that trade is unlikely this season. Additionally there's this "Saric, 21, has a player option on his contract that will technically allow him to come to the NBA for the 2016-17 season. However, there will be a big incentive for him to stay in Turkey for a third year and wait until the 2017-18 season to play in the NBA.

Under the terms of the league's collective bargaining agreement, Saric will no longer be bound by the rookie salary scale if he waits three years to come to the NBA. That means he could negotiate a free-agent contract for a much higher salary with the Sixers, much like Nikola Mirotic did with the Chicago Bulls last summer.

With the new TV revenues set to kick in during that season, Saric could be in for a massive raise if he is patient.


James Young is another 6'-6" shooting guard - we have enough of those and I don't see how he improves the team for THIS season.
Again PG is our strongest position, no sense weakening it with a trade that's not a significant immediate upgrade.

[azuresou1]

Dario Saric is a PF and we already have Paul locked up at the spot for a while.

One thing is it's kinda hard to trade Dennis right now, because most teams either have their PG already or have a young guy for the future. There are really only a handful of teams where Dennis can immediately contribute now and down the road.

1-for-1-ish trade targets would be guys like Robert Covington or Terrence Ross. Covington is probably the most realistic trade out there.

[dms269]

I'm guess I'm just not sure what his "options" could be. Realistically his only way to force himself out of Atlanta is by signing the QO and becoming a UFA.

[Worm122]

Hawks should trade Dennis for the Lakers pick of the Sixers