Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong

[fishercob]

So do we count Nemanja Bjelica as a feather in Ernie's cap that he drafted him or another mark against Ernie that he dumped him in Antwan Jamison deal to get a late 1st in return back in 2010 (that 1st was used in combo with their early 2nd to trade up for Trevor Booker).

I don't know, but it does give me more reason to be hopeful about Satoransky.

Tomas is shooting 54% from the floor and 45% from beyond the arc in the Spanish league. He will be an asset and back up Wall next year and CHEAP! A 6-7 point guard adds versatility. Plus we have everyone else on the bench coming off the books to pursue a superstar free agent.

Hey Millie -- Grunfeld sucks.

[queridiculo]

[Higga]

He may have us in good shape for next year but this year's roster is really flawed and may end up resulting in a very disappointing season.

[tontoz]

Where's milellie?

[Dark Faze]

he's gotten back to **** tier GM wise really quickly

We complain that we have poor luck as a franchise, but you look at the opportunities we let slip away--An easy Isaiah Thomas trade, drafting Klay or Kawhi over Ves, not having a single front court draft selection stick over the last 5 seasons--the super lazy off season last summer--its annoying.

I'm terrified of the future defining decisions the guy will be in a position to make for the club if KD doesn't come here. Typical Ernie move would be grabbing a few overpriced veterans on long term contracts in the Luo Deng tier of players and guaranteeing us 2nd/1st round exits for years to come.

[Dat2U]

Can you imagine Ernie being the architect of our plan B option after Durant. My goodness, I'd hate to imagine who he might overpay.

[queridiculo]

Dat2U, that's my biggest fear right now.


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Dat2U, that's my biggest fear right now.


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Going to overpay someone like David Lee or Roy Hibbert lmao

[closg00]

My biggest fear as-well, he doesn't get KD then he panics, you KNOW he is going to panic. Even-though they probably have a back-up plan, EG will offer the world to FA back-up player C or D when players B & C sign elsewhere ..need to look at that 2016 FA list.

[payitforward]

Let's leave Ramon's wife out of this. He's been stellar off the bench thus far.

Lets leave Stella out of this too.

[milellie111]

Oubre proving that he was a great pick. The kid hustles on defense and looks like he can contribute on offense. Wall, Beal, Porter and Oubre is pretty solid drafting the past 4 years.

[milellie111]

Humphries winning games with the three ball. Sessions a legit backup point guard. Neal and Temple stepping up for Beal while he's out. Can't ask for more from free agent signings and bench play.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Humphries winning games with the three ball. Sessions a legit backup point guard. Neal and Temple stepping up for Beal while he's out. Can't ask for more from free agent signings and bench play.

It's good when you're happy. Means the Wizards are doing well.

[closg00]

Oubre proving that he was a great pick. The kid hustles on defense and looks like he can contribute on offense. [b]Wall, Beal, Porter and Oubre is pretty solid drafting the past 4 years.[b/]

So you include the year we drafted John, then you skip the infamous 2011 draft, then pick it up again the year Brad was drafted. KO could be Ernie's first 1st round "get" outside the lottery in many, many tries.

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Oubre proving that he was a great pick. The kid hustles on defense and looks like he can contribute on offense. [b]Wall, Beal, Porter and Oubre is pretty solid drafting the past 4 years.[b/]

So you include the year we drafted John, then you skip the infamous 2011 draft, then pick it up again the year Brad was drafted. KO could be Ernie's first 1st round "get" outside the lottery in many, many tries.

For starters, that's 6 years not 4 years.

In those 6 drafts, we've owned 17 picks, including #1 overall and 2 #3 overalls. Lets leave out those 3 picks, which I think anyone will agree are awfully likely to turn into good players (although it's true that there are exceptions). How'd we do w/ the other 14 picks.

2010
Seraphin #17. A sensible pick, but he never developed, and we let him walk.
Booker #23, a good pick but we let him walk too, negating the value pick
N'diaye #56. No reflection on Ernie that he didn't work out. We've gotten nothing out of that draft but the single #1 pick of John Wall, which came to us by luck. Not pinning a medal on Ernie's chest for that luck.

2011:
Jan Vesely
Chris Singleton
Shelvin Mack
Yikes!

Here are a few trios we could have had instead:
Kawhi Leonard, Kenneth Faried & Chandler Parsons.
Or, Klay Thompson, Tobias Harris & John Leuer.
Or, Nikola Vucevic, Donatas Motiejunas & Lavoy Allen.
Or, Bismack Biyombo, Nikola Mirotic & E'Twaun Moore.
Or Alec Burks, Iman Shumpert & Isaiah Thomas.
Or Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler & some other guy.
Some of the best young players in the league came out of this draft, but Ernie managed a complete disaster. We got no one.

2012:
Tomas Satoransky --
Now -- according to Millie -- we are to already say Satoransky was a terrific pick by our fearless leader. Even though 4 seasons later, he is still not a Washington Wizard, and we don't actually *know* he will be one, let alone do we know whether he'll be good, or how good, if he does become one.

Jae Crowder, Draymond Green, Khris Middleton & Will Barton -- all of whom are now proven young players who have been signed to big-time long-term contracts -- were on the board.

Oh, we also had the #46 pick, which we could have used to grab Kyle O'Quinn -- he'd look pretty good in a Wizards uni right now, don't you think? -- except that we threw that pick in on the Okariza trade, which helped build the team as follows: (zero, zip, blank).

2013:
Glen Rice III. And we traded up to make sure not to miss him. What a move.

2014:
No R1 pick, because we had to trade it away in order to have someone to start at C, cuz that brilliant Okariza team-building move left us w/ a previously injured Center who soon was injured again! What a surprise that was, huh? Thank God we got a guy who would have been available as a FA a few months later, huh?

Jordan Clarkson. Wow, Ernie picked one of the rising young stars in the league! Great job... except, uh oh, we picked him for the Lakers in return for a month of free hamburgers.

2015
Oubre -- kid has a lot of potential. Might turn out to be an excellent player. Was a good pick. Finally. Signal fireworks display. what a great gm.

[TheSecretWeapon]

2011:
Jan Vesely
Chris Singleton
Shelvin Mack
Yikes!

Also worth mention: Mack was the most productive player from that trio, and the Wizards cut him twice.

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2011:
Jan Vesely
Chris Singleton
Shelvin Mack
Yikes!

Also worth mention: Mack was the most productive player from that trio, and the Wizards cut him twice.

Yup. Not just the "most" productive -- the *only* productive player; he is the only one still in the NBA.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Oubre proving that he was a great pick. The kid hustles on defense and looks like he can contribute on offense. [b]Wall, Beal, Porter and Oubre is pretty solid drafting the past 4 years.[b/]

So you include the year we drafted John, then you skip the infamous 2011 draft, then pick it up again the year Brad was drafted. KO could be Ernie's first 1st round "get" outside the lottery in many, many tries.

Are you in effect saying "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut?"

Or, "Even a broken clock is right twice a day?"

Oh, that Oubre might be hit outside the lottery. Definitely looks possible.

Milellie111: Seriously, I wanted Bobby Portis badly to be the pick. Like I wanted Millsap, Curry, Faried and Leonard, Blair in round two with Curry. Every time I want a player who EG COULD have but he's gone another way I'm right so far to the best of my knowledge.

I still take Cousins plus Favors or Cousins plus Turner (who I could trade later) over Wall but that might be SLIGHTLY worse or a push.

I still could live with Olynyk plus a pick over Otto, BUT I liked Otto on draft day as a great fit next to Wall and Beal.

I STILL trade down and grab Lillard over Beal, but after all these years since last playoffs and now Bradley IS the real deal. Yet, he's gonna get way more than Damian Lillard. Is he that much better if at all? I know he's three or so years younger.

My point: Oubre better than Portis will be a first if it works out.

( Memory fails but I KNOW I liked Deandre Jordan over Javale McGee).

And don't get me started on second round picks sold or D- League call ups not made. Guys here are all over it. Thus EG gets a bit of hate.

It's all good!

[milellie111]

Oubre proving that he was a great pick. The kid hustles on defense and looks like he can contribute on offense. [b]Wall, Beal, Porter and Oubre is pretty solid drafting the past 4 years.[b/]

So you include the year we drafted John, then you skip the infamous 2011 draft, then pick it up again the year Brad was drafted. KO could be Ernie's first 1st round "get" outside the lottery in many, many tries.

For starters, that's 6 years not 4 years.

In those 6 drafts, we've owned 17 picks, including #1 overall and 2 #3 overalls. Lets leave out those 3 picks, which I think anyone will agree are awfully likely to turn into good players (although it's true that there are exceptions). How'd we do w/ the other 14 picks.

2010
Seraphin #17. A sensible pick, but he never developed, and we let him walk.
Booker #23, a good pick but we let him walk too, negating the value pick
N'diaye #56. No reflection on Ernie that he didn't work out. We've gotten nothing out of that draft but the single #1 pick of John Wall, which came to us by luck. Not pinning a medal on Ernie's chest for that luck.

2011:
Jan Vesely
Chris Singleton
Shelvin Mack
Yikes!

Here are a few trios we could have had instead:
Kawhi Leonard, Kenneth Faried & Chandler Parsons.
Or, Klay Thompson, Tobias Harris & John Leuer.
Or, Nikola Vucevic, Donatas Motiejunas & Lavoy Allen.
Or, Bismack Biyombo, Nikola Mirotic & E'Twaun Moore.
Or Alec Burks, Iman Shumpert & Isaiah Thomas.
Or Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler & some other guy.
Some of the best young players in the league came out of this draft, but Ernie managed a complete disaster. We got no one.

2012:
Tomas Satoransky --
Now -- according to Millie -- we are to already say Satoransky was a terrific pick by our fearless leader. Even though 4 seasons later, he is still not a Washington Wizard, and we don't actually *know* he will be one, let alone do we know whether he'll be good, or how good, if he does become one.

Jae Crowder, Draymond Green, Khris Middleton & Will Barton -- all of whom are now proven young players who have been signed to big-time long-term contracts -- were on the board.

Oh, we also had the #46 pick, which we could have used to grab Kyle O'Quinn -- he'd look pretty good in a Wizards uni right now, don't you think? -- except that we threw that pick in on the Okariza trade, which helped build the team as follows: (zero, zip, blank).

2013:
Glen Rice III. And we traded up to make sure not to miss him. What a move.

2014:
No R1 pick, because we had to trade it away in order to have someone to start at C, cuz that brilliant Okariza team-building move left us w/ a previously injured Center who soon was injured again! What a surprise that was, huh? Thank God we got a guy who would have been available as a FA a few months later, huh?

Jordan Clarkson. Wow, Ernie picked one of the rising young stars in the league! Great job... except, uh oh, we picked him for the Lakers in return for a month of free hamburgers.

2015
Oubre -- kid has a lot of potential. Might turn out to be an excellent player. Was a good pick. Finally. Signal fireworks display. what a great gm.

Sure, I understand the drafting may not have gone the way that most would have liked over the years especially with the missed picks. But ALL teams miss out on picks, especially if guys aren't clear cut superstars. GM's watch tape and analyze scouting reports and it's easy to throw stones after the fact years later. How are you sure that Kawhi Leonard would have even been the same player with the Wizards in a different system? How do you know that he is not just perfectly fit for the spurs? How do you know that his excellent play has not been excelled by playing alongside 3 hall of famers and one of the greatest coaches of all time?

Hitting on draft picks alone does not make you a great GM. Perhaps Grunfelds drafting could have been better, there's no denying based on the picks that didn't work out, but when you take into account his entire body of work, it's hard to argue that he's a talented GM. The guy owns teams in trades.

Javale Mcgee for Nene - Denver owned

Rashard Lewis for Trevor Ariza - New Orleans owned

Andre Miller for Ramon Sessions - Sacramento owned

Emeka Okafor for Marcin Gortat - Phoenix owned

2nd round pick for Kris Humphris - Boston owned

The guy puts in some of the best free agency work you'll see in the league WITHOUT overpaying. Guy's he's able to bring in dirt cheap for short term deals and end up becoming contributors: Temple, Gooden, Pierce.

Financially savvy as well, if you look at the teams projected cap entering into one of the biggest free agency classes in a while. Wall's contract is an absolute steal. Not rushing to give Beal a max deal is smart.

Some GM's are great drafters, but falter in the other above mentioned areas.

[milellie111]

These are exciting times to be a Wizards fan. This is NOT the time for pessimism. Grunfeld has money to play with and coming up on one of the greatest free agency classes in history. No doubt he's going all in to improve this team substantially. We are already a 4th or 5th seed eastern conference playoff team. By adding a superstar, we are instantly contenders.

Now is no the time to abort, now is the time to support.