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The Steve Clifford Thread 2.0 - Off the Cliff we go

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Re: The Steve Clifford Thread 2.0 

Post#181 » by MasterIchiro » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:41 pm

Mystical Apples wrote:The players acquired over the summer weren't just upgrades they were massive upgrades. Batum, Lamb, Lin, Frank, and Hawes as a starting group could win you a lot of games.

Who wins? Be honest.

Team 1: Kemba, PJ, Marvin, Cody, Al (5 of the 6 starters so far this year)
Team 2: Lin, Lamb, Batum, Frank, Hawes


Batum over Hendo/MKG alone is sufficient to make any coach look competent on offense. Lin over Roberts. Lamb over Lance. Hawes/Kaminsky over Biz.
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Re: The Steve Clifford Thread 2.0 

Post#182 » by MasterIchiro » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:44 pm

Plus Marvin 2015-16 > Marvin 2014-2015, another massive upgrade for Cliff.

Al 2015-2016 > Al 2014-2015. Last year he sweat high fructose corn syrup.

Cliff has more athleticism and talent all around, both from returning players and new additions.
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Re: The Steve Clifford Thread 2.0 

Post#183 » by tonman » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:14 pm

Mystical Apples wrote:The players acquired over the summer weren't just upgrades they were massive upgrades. Batum, Lamb, Lin, Frank, and Hawes as a starting group could win you a lot of games.

Who wins? Be honest.

Team 1: Kemba, PJ, Marvin, Cody, Al (5 of the 6 starters so far this year)
Team 2: Lin, Lamb, Batum, Frank, Hawes


(just using your post to quote)

kemba (old), PJ (old), Marvin (old), Cody (old)
Lin (new, player option next year), Lamb (extension), batum (free agent), frank (rookie), Hawes (contract)

think about it. who are the playmakers? kemba, lin, batum. NEXT year, who's going to be on the team?

I like the better offense. people say there was a reason we played 'Al-fense'. your starters except for batum are from the 'Al-fense' years. are we saying we could have played uptempo all these years even with Jefferson and we just ... didn't?
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Re: The Steve Clifford Thread 2.0 

Post#184 » by yosemiteben » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:16 pm

tonman wrote:are we saying we could have played uptempo all these years even with Jefferson and we just ... didn't?

We are saying literally the opposite.
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Re: The Steve Clifford Thread 2.0 

Post#185 » by Mystical Apples » Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:13 pm

tonman wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:The players acquired over the summer weren't just upgrades they were massive upgrades. Batum, Lamb, Lin, Frank, and Hawes as a starting group could win you a lot of games.

Who wins? Be honest.

Team 1: Kemba, PJ, Marvin, Cody, Al (5 of the 6 starters so far this year)
Team 2: Lin, Lamb, Batum, Frank, Hawes


(just using your post to quote)

kemba (old), PJ (old), Marvin (old), Cody (old)
Lin (new, player option next year), Lamb (extension), batum (free agent), frank (rookie), Hawes (contract)

think about it. who are the playmakers? kemba, lin, batum. NEXT year, who's going to be on the team?

I like the better offense. people say there was a reason we played 'Al-fense'. your starters except for batum are from the 'Al-fense' years. are we saying we could have played uptempo all these years even with Jefferson and we just ... didn't?


Not sure how I could've been any clearer than my statement above:

"The players acquired over the summer weren't just upgrades they were massive upgrades"
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Re: The Steve Clifford Thread 2.0 

Post#186 » by spaceballer » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:59 am

Cliff holding a coaching clinic with hundreds of local basketball coaches:

https://twitter.com/hornets/status/668170154442948608
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Post#187 » by NCHeels2008 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:25 am

I've been really impressed by Cliffords ability to pivot the style of the Hornets so quickly to match the leagues push towards more outside shooting. It's been a really pleasant surprise.
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Post#188 » by Mystical Apples » Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:33 am

In 3 years he's coached an historically great rebounding team, a great defensive team, and now working on offense. He just needs the players.
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Post#189 » by Joest2003 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:04 am

Am I the only one who can hear him screaming on every play from the sidelines? Dude is outta control sometimes. Gotta love the passion though. He also deserves credit for having Lamb come off the bench. I couldn't imagine if PJ was with the second unit. Team would really take a hit while the starters are resting. That can be the difference between winning or losing a game.
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Re: The Steve Clifford Thread 2.0 

Post#190 » by LamarMatic7 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:35 am

Joest2003 wrote:Am I the only one who can hear him screaming on every play from the sidelines? Dude is outta control sometimes. Gotta love the passion though. He also deserves credit for having Lamb come off the bench. I couldn't imagine if PJ was with the second unit. Team would really take a hit while the starters are resting. That can be the difference between winning or losing a game.

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Post#191 » by euphorbus » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:20 pm

Joest2003 wrote:Am I the only one who can hear him screaming on every play from the sidelines? Dude is outta control sometimes. Gotta love the passion though. He also deserves credit for having Lamb come off the bench. I couldn't imagine if PJ was with the second unit. Team would really take a hit while the starters are resting. That can be the difference between winning or losing a game.


It sounds like he needs to chill out. Players generally speaking do not like micro-managers any more than other folks.
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Post#192 » by Mystical Apples » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:39 pm

Frequently Clifford is communicating with his point guards on defensive pick and roll calls. When he was pissed one game with Cody and Lin he was calling out everything for several minutes.

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Post#193 » by DY_nasty » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:46 pm

euphorbus wrote:
Joest2003 wrote:Am I the only one who can hear him screaming on every play from the sidelines? Dude is outta control sometimes. Gotta love the passion though. He also deserves credit for having Lamb come off the bench. I couldn't imagine if PJ was with the second unit. Team would really take a hit while the starters are resting. That can be the difference between winning or losing a game.


It sounds like he needs to chill out. Players generally speaking do not like micro-managers any more than other folks.

Our players aren't good enough to not need micromanagement
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Re: The Steve Clifford Thread 2.0 

Post#194 » by Joest2003 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:28 am

LamarMatic7 wrote:
Joest2003 wrote:Am I the only one who can hear him screaming on every play from the sidelines? Dude is outta control sometimes. Gotta love the passion though. He also deserves credit for having Lamb come off the bench. I couldn't imagine if PJ was with the second unit. Team would really take a hit while the starters are resting. That can be the difference between winning or losing a game.

"DIG... DIG.. DIIIIIIIIG"

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"pull over... PUUUL OOOOVER"


Haha so on point. Is it just me or is he the only coach in the league that does that?
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Re: The Steve Clifford Thread 2.0 

Post#195 » by LamarMatic7 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:45 pm

Joest2003 wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:
Joest2003 wrote:Am I the only one who can hear him screaming on every play from the sidelines? Dude is outta control sometimes. Gotta love the passion though. He also deserves credit for having Lamb come off the bench. I couldn't imagine if PJ was with the second unit. Team would really take a hit while the starters are resting. That can be the difference between winning or losing a game.

"DIG... DIG.. DIIIIIIIIG"

"STAY DOWN, MIKE, STAY DOWN. GOOD"

"pull over... PUUUL OOOOVER"


Haha so on point. Is it just me or is he the only coach in the league that does that?

I think it's a combination between him being one of the few loudest ones and our arena being real quiet. Other than that you can hear most coaching staffs command their defense at least through pick-n-roll coverages. "ICE!" can be heard plenty of times if you listen for it. It's just that you won't hear it as clearly at the Oracle, per example.

If I had to choose someone, I'd say that Thibs talks just as much as Cliff does. So, yeah, it certainly has something to do with the coach being a hands-on defensive specialist who wants to make sure that the execution is good on that end.
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Re: The Steve Clifford Thread 2.0 

Post#196 » by LamarMatic7 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:49 pm

This is my favorite audible communication between a coach and a player.

http://www.instagram.com/p/jVZ4ggkZf6

The fact that it's a 30-point blowout makes it even funnier.
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Re: The Steve Clifford Thread 2.0 

Post#197 » by SeanBobcats » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:31 am

Have watched about 5 or 6 games so far this year, and I must say I have been very impressed with Coach Cliff. If he keeps it up he will definitely be here next year.
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Post#198 » by Snidely FC » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:18 pm

pleased to see that Cliff is showing the flexibility to use the diverse group of players mgmt has given him
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Re: The Steve Clifford Thread 2.0 

Post#199 » by MrTwister » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:34 pm

Looks like Bonnell finally broke a story :D
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Re: The Steve Clifford Thread 2.0 

Post#200 » by BlackOutBuzz » Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:29 pm

Fantastic news.

"The deal includes a three-year guarantee that would keep Clifford in his current role through the 2018-19 season."

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nba/charlotte-hornets/article46396640.html#storylink=cpy
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