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Re: NXT Thread 2 (The Day I've Been Waiting For) 

Post#541 » by skbucks1985 » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:54 pm

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safi wrote:Vince doesn't need to ask HHH for anything. As much autonomy as HHH has over NXT its still under the WWE umbrella, thus under Vince's umbrella. If he insisted she become champion, Eva Marie would be champion. I do think this was probably due to the reality how and this was the compromise the two sides reached.

Definitely validity to your point about the lack of build. I would offer up two contrasting points. One, they've indicated an alliance between her and Nia Jax so while I assume Eva Marie doesn't win the title (haven't read the spoilers) I'm not sure this is the there last match. Second the purpose of building up a match is because you want to see it, you want to see the babyface kick the heel's ass, and they've already got to that point so there's no real point in building this up for a few weeks.


As far as I know, all final NXT decisions are run through Hunter, not Vince. So while WWE may own NXT, I don't think Vince has any actual creative input. The whole idea behind Hunter running NXT was to show that he could run a successful wrestling company without Vince McMahon's micromanaging so that, when Vince either dies or finally steps down, Triple H will have the business chops to prove that the WWE will be in good hands with him and Steph. That would be undermined if Vince was constantly interjecting and forcing creative decisions on Triple H.

So, with that in mind, I think that, if Vince wants something to happen in NXT, he really does have to ask Hunter.

Also, I think that Nia Jax and Bayley will be fighting at the next Takeover. I'm not sure what Nia Jax has done to deserve a title shot, as she's just squashed a few nobodies in mostly boring matches, but I guess since Emma and Dana are busy with Asuka and Bliss just had her shot, Bayley has to fight someone for the title.

No way they give the belt to Eva Marie, though. Full Sail would riot, and not in a good way. It's one thing to draw heat. Good heels are supposed to do that. But Eva Marie's heat isn't the kind that you want. As I've said, a good heel is hated because of what they say and do, not because of their sheer existence. Eva Marie represents everything that NXT fans hate about the Diva's division, and giving her the belt would undermine everything that Hunter and Steph have done to try and raise the bar for women's wrestling in WWE/NXT.


I'm not disagreeing that HHH has essentially full autonomy over NXT and that Vince has never, and probably will never, force creative decisions on him. Because him doing so would have a domino effect that would create all sorts of issues so its very difficult to envision a scenario in which he'd actually do so. Having said that, if for whatever reason he decided that he was going to he still could because its his company. Not a creative decision per se but I'm guessing there have been instances where HHH has wanted to sign a person(s) and he ran into budget issues and Vince has either ok'ed the decision to sign that person(s) or has nixed it.

With both the women's and tag division, I think they're building towards matches at probably the Takeover show during WM weekend and right now all of the participants are going through second-tier challengers until those matches happens. In the tag division, The Mechanics vs Gable and Jordan is the match. And right now each team is being built up by going through these second-tier challengers but those are the teams that are being spotlighted because that's the long term plan. In the women's division Bayley vs Asuka is the long term plan. And right now both of them are going through second-tier challengers, but that's the long-term plan. So I certainly don't think Eva Marie or Nia Jax will win the title but not because it would alienate the crowd but because it blows off the biggest women's match they have and would be, and I mean this in a non-kayfabe sense, bad for business.
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Re: NXT Thread 2 (The Day I've Been Waiting For) 

Post#542 » by jakecronus8 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 4:55 am

With Aries spotted at the NXT takings, I wonder what their plans are for him. Imo, a program with him and Joe is money.
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Re: NXT Thread 2 (The Day I've Been Waiting For) 

Post#543 » by Dominator83 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:10 am

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safi wrote:Vince doesn't need to ask HHH for anything. As much autonomy as HHH has over NXT its still under the WWE umbrella, thus under Vince's umbrella. If he insisted she become champion, Eva Marie would be champion. I do think this was probably due to the reality how and this was the compromise the two sides reached.

Definitely validity to your point about the lack of build. I would offer up two contrasting points. One, they've indicated an alliance between her and Nia Jax so while I assume Eva Marie doesn't win the title (haven't read the spoilers) I'm not sure this is the there last match. Second the purpose of building up a match is because you want to see it, you want to see the babyface kick the heel's ass, and they've already got to that point so there's no real point in building this up for a few weeks.


As far as I know, all final NXT decisions are run through Hunter, not Vince. So while WWE may own NXT, I don't think Vince has any actual creative input. The whole idea behind Hunter running NXT was to show that he could run a successful wrestling company without Vince McMahon's micromanaging so that, when Vince either dies or finally steps down, Triple H will have the business chops to prove that the WWE will be in good hands with him and Steph. That would be undermined if Vince was constantly interjecting and forcing creative decisions on Triple H.

So, with that in mind, I think that, if Vince wants something to happen in NXT, he really does have to ask Hunter.

Also, I think that Nia Jax and Bayley will be fighting at the next Takeover. I'm not sure what Nia Jax has done to deserve a title shot, as she's just squashed a few nobodies in mostly boring matches, but I guess since Emma and Dana are busy with Asuka and Bliss just had her shot, Bayley has to fight someone for the title.

No way they give the belt to Eva Marie, though. Full Sail would riot, and not in a good way. It's one thing to draw heat. Good heels are supposed to do that. But Eva Marie's heat isn't the kind that you want. As I've said, a good heel is hated because of what they say and do, not because of their sheer existence. Eva Marie represents everything that NXT fans hate about the Diva's division, and giving her the belt would undermine everything that Hunter and Steph have done to try and raise the bar for women's wrestling in WWE/NXT.

Bingo. and1 for you! Guys like HHH and Seth Rollins are the type of heels that get booed out of the building because of how they play their bad guy/cowardly champion character that you want. Even Orton IMO always did a pretty good job of that, and they were all capable of putting on solid to great matches. Eva gets booed because nobody wants her on the show period, and she cant wrestle for sh*t.
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Re: NXT Thread 2 (The Day I've Been Waiting For) 

Post#544 » by improper » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:18 am

Dominater wrote:Bingo. and1 for you! Guys like HHH and Seth Rollins are the type of heels that get booed out of the building because of how they play their bad guy/cowardly champion character that you want. Even Orton IMO always did a pretty good job of that, and they were all capable of putting on solid to great matches. Eva gets booed because nobody wants her on the show period, and she cant wrestle for sh*t.


I actually think Eva would be fine as a valet. She's got the looks to handle that, and she has at least a little wrestling background for when she needs to take the occasional bump or maybe get involved in a mixed tag during a feud. But yes, she isn't a good wrestler, and as such them giving her a totally unearned title shot isn't going to sit well to NXT fans who have become used to a promotion that actually pushes women based on merit rather than bra size.

Someone just needs to sit her down and tell her that if she wants to stay in the business, she's going to have to be standing outside of the ring rather than in it.

On a related note, I think that the WWE needs to start viewing women like the UFC does. You've got one group who are competitors and another that walk around the ring carrying signs with numbers on them. The two don't mix for a reason. I have no problem with the idea of hiring women as eye candy in a business where the majority audience is young males, but I don't want to see those girls in the ring. And that's not to say the in-ring girls can't be attractive, just that they need to stop taking models and trying to convert them into wrestlers. If you want to hire models, hire them as valets and leave the wrestling to girls who can work quality matches on a consistent basis.
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Post#545 » by skbucks1985 » Thu Nov 26, 2015 5:21 am

I wonder what NXT HHH thinks about Raw HHH stacking the deck like that against Bayley
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Post#546 » by improper » Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:03 pm

safi wrote:I wonder what NXT HHH thinks about Raw HHH stacking the deck like that against Bayley


NXT Triple H is probably pissed that he has to push someone as terrible in the ring as Eva Marie is to begin with.

Hopefully Bayley beating Eva despite all that nonsense means that they won't be continuing that story line. I know her and Nia are going to fight at the next Takeover, but it's hard for me to imagine them putting the belt on Nia so soon when she hasn't put on anything resembling a great match. Similarly, I don't think it makes sense to call Bayley up right now, so I doubt she's dropping the belt yet. In my opinion, Bayley should be called up after Wrestlemania when they give the belt to Sasha (I'm guessing that's what will happen, at least) so they can reignite their awesome rivalry on the main roster.

That's what I would do at any rate if I were in charge.
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Post#547 » by Spens1 » Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:55 am

Hopefully Bayley gets a decent run and keeps her belt till London or maybe Mania where she drops it to Bliss? Hopefully by then the main roster booking is sorted out, otherwise wow Bayley is beyond screwed
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Post#548 » by Ruzious » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:33 pm

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safi wrote:I wonder what NXT HHH thinks about Raw HHH stacking the deck like that against Bayley


NXT Triple H is probably pissed that he has to push someone as terrible in the ring as Eva Marie is to begin with.

Hopefully Bayley beating Eva despite all that nonsense means that they won't be continuing that story line. I know her and Nia are going to fight at the next Takeover, but it's hard for me to imagine them putting the belt on Nia so soon when she hasn't put on anything resembling a great match. Similarly, I don't think it makes sense to call Bayley up right now, so I doubt she's dropping the belt yet. In my opinion, Bayley should be called up after Wrestlemania when they give the belt to Sasha (I'm guessing that's what will happen, at least) so they can reignite their awesome rivalry on the main roster.

That's what I would do at any rate if I were in charge.

With Asuka's presence in NXT, I think it would be a real shame if they don't build toward a Bailey/Asuka series. And don't rush that to fit a particular time-table. After that, move Bayley to the WWE roster. Then have Asuka push Alexa Bliss or someone else to step up and be the next top baby-face in NXT. And then reward Asuka with a promotion.
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Re: NXT Thread 2 (The Day I've Been Waiting For) 

Post#549 » by Latrell » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:56 pm

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improper wrote:
safi wrote:I wonder what NXT HHH thinks about Raw HHH stacking the deck like that against Bayley


NXT Triple H is probably pissed that he has to push someone as terrible in the ring as Eva Marie is to begin with.

Hopefully Bayley beating Eva despite all that nonsense means that they won't be continuing that story line. I know her and Nia are going to fight at the next Takeover, but it's hard for me to imagine them putting the belt on Nia so soon when she hasn't put on anything resembling a great match. Similarly, I don't think it makes sense to call Bayley up right now, so I doubt she's dropping the belt yet. In my opinion, Bayley should be called up after Wrestlemania when they give the belt to Sasha (I'm guessing that's what will happen, at least) so they can reignite their awesome rivalry on the main roster.

That's what I would do at any rate if I were in charge.

With Asuka's presence in NXT, I think it would be a real shame if they don't build toward a Bailey/Asuka series. And don't rush that to fit a particular time-table. After that, move Bayley to the WWE roster. Then have Asuka push Alexa Bliss or someone else to step up and be the next top baby-face in NXT. And then reward Asuka with a promotion.


An Asuka/Bayley series would have GOAT potential IMO. I'd bring up both at the same time . I know they probably won't though.
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Post#550 » by Ruzious » Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:51 pm

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NXT Triple H is probably pissed that he has to push someone as terrible in the ring as Eva Marie is to begin with.

Hopefully Bayley beating Eva despite all that nonsense means that they won't be continuing that story line. I know her and Nia are going to fight at the next Takeover, but it's hard for me to imagine them putting the belt on Nia so soon when she hasn't put on anything resembling a great match. Similarly, I don't think it makes sense to call Bayley up right now, so I doubt she's dropping the belt yet. In my opinion, Bayley should be called up after Wrestlemania when they give the belt to Sasha (I'm guessing that's what will happen, at least) so they can reignite their awesome rivalry on the main roster.

That's what I would do at any rate if I were in charge.

With Asuka's presence in NXT, I think it would be a real shame if they don't build toward a Bailey/Asuka series. And don't rush that to fit a particular time-table. After that, move Bayley to the WWE roster. Then have Asuka push Alexa Bliss or someone else to step up and be the next top baby-face in NXT. And then reward Asuka with a promotion.


An Asuka/Bayley series would have GOAT potential IMO. I'd bring up both at the same time . I know they probably won't though.

Bayley would then come into the WWE roster after already having 2 of the best rivalries in women's rasslin. I'd consider that a big positive for her - even if it means putting off her WWE roster debut several months.
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Post#553 » by Scott Hall » Sat Dec 5, 2015 9:42 am

Is it me or is Mojo Rawley one of the most annoying individuals ever? Dude has the most punchable face I've ever seen
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Post#554 » by studcrackers » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:48 pm

Scott Hall wrote:Is it me or is Mojo Rawley one of the most annoying individuals ever? Dude has the most punchable face I've ever seen


it's like one of those dudes who preaches positivity all the time and it just keeps you rolling your eyes. somethin about him is really annoying and lame that i cant quite put my finger on.
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Post#555 » by studcrackers » Sat Dec 5, 2015 3:49 pm

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Post#556 » by studcrackers » Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:27 pm

nxt takeover comin to dallas april 1st. god i hope i can land some of those tickets. wish it was in a bigger building than it is
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Post#557 » by studcrackers » Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:36 pm

nxt takeover comin to dallas april 1st. god i hope i can land some of those tickets. wish it was in a bigger building than it is
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Post#558 » by iMoreland » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:40 pm

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Post#559 » by studcrackers » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:08 pm

Wonder how long Corbin's got left with his hair
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Post#560 » by studcrackers » Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:12 pm

That was probably my favorite match I've seen Balor have
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