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Re: Circus Thread: 12/2 LAL @ WAS - 4pm - TWC 

Post#221 » by Danny Darko » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:05 am

it was nice not seeing Nick Young on the course tbh
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Re: Circus Thread: 12/2 LAL @ WAS - 4pm - TWC 

Post#222 » by Slava » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:05 am

Worth noting, Clarkson has been borderline elite as the pick and roll ball handler generating around 0.97 points per possession.

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Post#223 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:40 am

The Regime wrote:Kobe has turned this retirement thing into quite the spectacle


NBA owners are already increasing ticket prices. As a Wizards fan I loathe Ted Leonsis. Greed accompanies the spectacle.
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Re: Circus Thread: 12/2 LAL @ WAS - 4pm - TWC 

Post#224 » by Mamba Mentality » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:46 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
The Regime wrote:Kobe has turned this retirement thing into quite the spectacle


NBA owners are already increasing ticket prices. As a Wizards fan I loathe Ted Leonsis. Greed accompanies the spectacle.


The same Kings/Lakers tickets that I bought three days ago for $110 are now selling for $224. Just crazy...
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Circus Thread: 12/2 LAL @ WAS - 4pm - TWC 

Post#225 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:47 am

The Regime wrote:Wizards might just be the most bipolar team in the league. Still don't understand why Beal hasn't taken on a bigger role in their offense.


The consensus on the Wizards board is Beal is overrated and not worth the max.

He does not create well off the dribble. He does not get to the line often. Last playoffs he stepped up but if you look at his production the last three years it is almost straight line.

Beal is a real good shooter and he's capable defensively. He's only 22. However, he's far from a max contract talent.

He's also injury prone.
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Re: Circus Thread: 12/2 LAL @ WAS - 4pm - TWC 

Post#226 » by Mamba Mentality » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:53 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
The Regime wrote:Wizards might just be the most bipolar team in the league. Still don't understand why Beal hasn't taken on a bigger role in their offense.


The consensus on the Wizards board is Beal is overrated and not worth the max.

He does not create well off the dribble. He does not get to the line often. Last playoffs he stepped up but if you look at his production the last three years it is almost straight line.

Beal is a real good shooter and he's capable defensively. He's only 22. However, he's far from a max contract talent.

He's also injury prone.


Even so you would think they would run some more offensive sets for Beal. I watched the second half of the game tonight and he was flat out ignored on a number of trips down the floor. He looked disengaged for much of the 4th quarter.
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Re: Circus Thread: 12/2 LAL @ WAS - 4pm - TWC 

Post#227 » by Slava » Thu Dec 3, 2015 6:17 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
The Regime wrote:Wizards might just be the most bipolar team in the league. Still don't understand why Beal hasn't taken on a bigger role in their offense.


The consensus on the Wizards board is Beal is overrated and not worth the max.

He does not create well off the dribble. He does not get to the line often. Last playoffs he stepped up but if you look at his production the last three years it is almost straight line.

Beal is a real good shooter and he's capable defensively. He's only 22. However, he's far from a max contract talent.

He's also injury prone.


That seems kind of accurate, even today he's been given a lot more freedom to attack from the weakside when Wall is being crowded but he seems either very limited or shy with the ball.
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Re: Circus Thread: 12/2 LAL @ WAS - 4pm - TWC 

Post#228 » by warrenpeace » Thu Dec 3, 2015 6:30 am

AcecardZ wrote:People wishing Russell had played the fourth Q should reflect back to Kobe's sophomore season. He averaged 26 mins per game. :)

And he was a lot better than Russell. If Russell has the talent, skill and work ethic that it takes to be a great player, then he will. It doesn't matter how many minutes he plays or whether he plays in the fourth quarter.
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Post#229 » by warrenpeace » Thu Dec 3, 2015 6:41 am

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Doesn't really matter. The point is you can be a top PG in this league without a game that's relied upon quickness and explosiveness.

Yes I agree, but what has yet to be discovered is whether you can be a top point guard in the todays NBA with Russell level of quickness and explosiveness (or lack thereof). That we don't know yet.
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Re: Circus Thread: 12/2 LAL @ WAS - 4pm - TWC 

Post#230 » by LApwnd » Thu Dec 3, 2015 6:44 am

Nice win but i wouldve preffered a win last night and this a loss
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Re: Circus Thread: 12/2 LAL @ WAS - 4pm - TWC 

Post#231 » by warrenpeace » Thu Dec 3, 2015 6:56 am

Slava wrote:Worth noting, Clarkson has been borderline elite as the pick and roll ball handler generating around 0.97 points per possession.

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We need put the ball in Clarkson's hands and let him play the point more. He is our best point guard.
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Re: Circus Thread: 12/2 LAL @ WAS - 4pm - TWC 

Post#232 » by chefy12 » Thu Dec 3, 2015 7:16 am

we should run more p&r
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Post#233 » by ratra_1211 » Thu Dec 3, 2015 9:13 am

Slava wrote:Worth noting, Clarkson has been borderline elite as the pick and roll ball handler generating around 0.97 points per possession.

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whats more encouraging is that JC is second (6.4%) only behind lebron (5.0%) in TO freq. and he's pretty efficient too (48.9%, good for third on that list behind curry and parker)
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Re: Circus Thread: 12/2 LAL @ WAS - 4pm - TWC 

Post#234 » by Spens1 » Thu Dec 3, 2015 12:55 pm

Kobe out of nowhere? 31 points somehow

anyway Randle is such a beast and Clarkson is mr consistent, Russell did his job also

Lou Williams probably had one of his best games in a lakers uniform and bass was actually good
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Post#235 » by madmaxmedia » Thu Dec 3, 2015 5:14 pm

warrenpeace wrote:
AcecardZ wrote:People wishing Russell had played the fourth Q should reflect back to Kobe's sophomore season. He averaged 26 mins per game. :)

And he was a lot better than Russell. If Russell has the talent, skill and work ethic that it takes to be a great player, then he will. It doesn't matter how many minutes he plays or whether he plays in the fourth quarter.


That was not a 3-14 team though, that was a team with championship aspirations. Are you Byron Scott in disguise? :P
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Re: Circus Thread: 12/2 LAL @ WAS - 4pm - TWC 

Post#236 » by Kilroy » Thu Dec 3, 2015 6:05 pm

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warrenpeace wrote:
AcecardZ wrote:People wishing Russell had played the fourth Q should reflect back to Kobe's sophomore season. He averaged 26 mins per game. :)

And he was a lot better than Russell. If Russell has the talent, skill and work ethic that it takes to be a great player, then he will. It doesn't matter how many minutes he plays or whether he plays in the fourth quarter.


That was not a 3-14 team though, that was a team with championship aspirations. Are you Byron Scott in disguise? :P


Just to add to this, that was a team that only needed a coaching change essentially to become a dynasty. Phil came and they were a completely different animal.

It's actually a gold-standard for the fire Scott argument, if you take an extremely shallow view of the situation...

However, we don't have anywhere near the talent that team had...
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Re: Circus Thread: 12/2 LAL @ WAS - 4pm - TWC 

Post#237 » by ArC_man » Thu Dec 3, 2015 6:09 pm

The problem is that even though 0.97 PPP is elite for a PnR ball handler, it's still inherently inefficient. If we only ran Clarkson PnRs the entire game and he was able to keep up that efficiency, we'd still be a bottom 5 offense in the league. The offense problems aren't solved by "just give the ball to Clarkson and let him run PnR".
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Post#238 » by Slava » Thu Dec 3, 2015 8:00 pm

ArC_man wrote:The problem is that even though 0.97 PPP is elite for a PnR ball handler, it's still inherently inefficient. If we only ran Clarkson PnRs the entire game and he was able to keep up that efficiency, we'd still be a bottom 5 offense in the league. The offense problems aren't solved by "just give the ball to Clarkson and let him run PnR".


If you look at the guys running the play with his level of frequency, they are on very good teams surrounded by better roll men and shooters. His ability to turn the corner coming off the screen or punish a defender going underneath it are what makes him so good at it.
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Re: Circus Thread: 12/2 LAL @ WAS - 4pm - TWC 

Post#239 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Dec 3, 2015 11:35 pm

Slava wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
The Regime wrote:Wizards might just be the most bipolar team in the league. Still don't understand why Beal hasn't taken on a bigger role in their offense.


The consensus on the Wizards board is Beal is overrated and not worth the max.

He does not create well off the dribble. He does not get to the line often. Last playoffs he stepped up but if you look at his production the last three years it is almost straight line.

Beal is a real good shooter and he's capable defensively. He's only 22. However, he's far from a max contract talent.

He's also injury prone.


That seems kind of accurate, even today he's been given a lot more freedom to attack from the weakside when Wall is being crowded but he seems either very limited or shy with the ball.


Perhaps he was star gazing looking at Kobe, his idol. I've noticed Beal is distinctly different and better when he's angry at his opponent and it's someone he's not intimidated by. When he attacks the rim he's altogether better but this is the exception not the rule.
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Re: Circus Thread: 12/2 LAL @ WAS - 4pm - TWC 

Post#240 » by RingsDontLie » Fri Dec 4, 2015 2:01 am

Kobe! What a great game. Love the Kobe tributes. Be nice if he can continue this kind of performance. Makes getting that NBA team pass well worth it

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