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Re: Greinke Really Pushing the Envelope in Demands 

Post#161 » by Neddy » Thu Dec 3, 2015 2:46 am

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IF the Giants are willing to cough up that much dough, good.

the more this drags on the less I am attracted to the idea of "right now" move that we all know will be ugly during the latter half of this contract.

I was thinking about our pitching depth and who is about to come up in September today and counted...

Kershaw - b. Anderson - Wood - Magic Mike - Joe Wieland - Zach Lee for healthy and able bodies, then Ryu by May, McCarthy by ASG.
Urias - De Leon - c. Anderson by September 1st.

hypothetically, by the time the playoffs come rolling in, we would sport

Kershaw - mccarty - Ryu - magic mike - b. anderson - wood to our disposal and Urias can join the bullpen as a long reliever.

yeah we may or may not win it all with this rotation in the playoffs but it gives a ton of flexibility. if the Gnats win with Greinke next year, so be it. the following season, the gnats will be another year older, while we are gonna be having young studs come up.

in 2017, our rotation will be

Kershaw - Ryu - McCarthy - Urias for the top four with Wood - Magic Mike - Joe - de Leon and Anderson to choose from.

*** I had McCarthy ahead of Ryu for 2016 but they flip in 2017 because typically the shoulder injury would take longer to get his full strength back than TJS, if they come back at all. from everything I have read so far, Ryu thinks he can come back and pitch by the opening day although the team is saying early May.

by this time, just two years removed from this albatross of a contract is signed, Greinke's prime would likely be over and he would be getting by with his smarts and reputation than his stuff. yeah that could still be a decent middle of the rotation guy, but he won't be worth a half of his contract and we will be having another Crawford/Ethier type of dumping scenario threads.
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Greinke Decision Coming? 

Post#162 » by Ranma » Thu Dec 3, 2015 2:58 am

For what it's worth, I just noticed that supposed insider dude (dudette?) just commented that he's hearing Greinke's decision will either be made tonight or tomorrow morning. Not exactly earth-shattering since we knew a decision will be made soon but it does narrow down the time frame and would add some support to this source being legit. In any case, the following was posted 2 hours and 39 minutes ago.

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I'm hearing that Greinke's decision could come as early as tonight or no later than tomorrow morning.

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Non-Tenders 

Post#163 » by Ranma » Thu Dec 3, 2015 7:48 am

The Dodgers didn't tender contract offers to Juan Nicasio and Lisalverto Bonilla. Also, Conger was just traded to the Rays before the non-tender deadline and 3B Will Middlebrooks was non-tendered by the Padres.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#164 » by Quake Griffin » Thu Dec 3, 2015 7:39 pm

Any explanation for not tendering Nicasio? Too expensive?
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Stay in the East, Darren 

Post#165 » by Ranma » Thu Dec 3, 2015 7:51 pm

I still think O'Day goes to the Nationals as I don't see the Braves bidding enough to pull him away from the convenience of having his wife in the D.C. area. The Dodgers are apparently offering the most money to stay in final stages of the race, but still want to pass on this guy since I'm sure it'd be a big overpay to get him.

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Technically No Longer Morning 

Post#166 » by Ranma » Thu Dec 3, 2015 8:16 pm

Looks like the source was off, but I still expect word to come soon. I'm sure Zack wants to resolve this soon.

Not sure about Nicasio, but the feeling I get is that they can do better at that price and that some of his stats were an illusion. I expect the Dodgers to trade and/or sign for at least one bullpen arm and we have some pretty good arms in the developmental system to provide relief, but it's uncertain if they'll be ready for the upcoming season.

Also, we're competing with the Angels for Utley. I wonder how this relates to our pursuit of Zobrist. If we did sign Zobrist, I don't really see a need for Utley.

According to Crasnick, the Red Sox paid $37 million more to secure Price, but Gammons says the gap was more like $27 million.


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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#167 » by Neddy » Fri Dec 4, 2015 3:58 am

just from top of my head, wasn't Nicasio's WHIP above 1.5 range? even guys who looked worse with ERA had better WHIP than Juan.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#168 » by Quake Griffin » Fri Dec 4, 2015 4:34 am

Not interested in Utley. He can come in as cheap utility. Get some days at 2nd and replace Turner at 3rd when Turner needs his days off during the week.
But the reports say that the teams that are looking at him are looking at him in a "mostly everyday" IF role.
to that? Pass. Not good enough for that anymore.


Yea…O'Day's wife is a reported in the DC area right. Doubt he's coming here considering that. He's going to be a Nat.

I'll take Zobrist. Younger than Utley. Better bat. Gives us depth in the IF and the OF positions. Mostly been a plus base runner (one of Utley's qualities) throughout his career.
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Rosenthal Updates on Dodgers' Periphery 

Post#169 » by Ranma » Fri Dec 4, 2015 12:45 pm

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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#170 » by Quake Griffin » Fri Dec 4, 2015 5:17 pm

I guess I get it from the stand point that the commitment to Zobrist is a bit more than the commitment we'd make to Utley and Zobrist is looking to finally get paid.

Still think having Zobrist on this roster would have the same intended effects of having an Utley from a locker room perspective plus he's a great hitter….which I don't think Utley is anymore.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#171 » by Neddy » Fri Dec 4, 2015 6:44 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:I guess I get it from the stand point that the commitment to Zobrist is a bit more than the commitment we'd make to Utley and Zobrist is looking to finally get paid.

Still think having Zobrist on this roster would have the same intended effects of having an Utley from a locker room perspective plus he's a great hitter….which I don't think Utley is anymore.


I feel **** gives us the same quality of flexibility as Zorist but cheaper and younger with higher ceiling at this point of their respective ages. as you have already pointed out, if Utley is for a left handed pitch hitter and a backup IF while still serving as a mentor to young guys, I don't mind it especially if we get to move Carl Crawford and/or Ethier. if we can move one or both aging outfielders, it will create roster stability in the OF with room for SVS to play more, slide Peraza's many at bats come from LF/CF and even allow Alex Guerreo to get some field time aside from being a primary right handed pinch hitter, both in the LF and IF. then there is Schebler.

more so than Utley as a player tho, I know it is now against the rules to have a player manager but can we have him as our 3rd base coach? now that would be a great fit.
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Player to Coach Transitions 

Post#172 » by Ranma » Fri Dec 4, 2015 9:08 pm

I'm really liking the idea of Chase Utley as a 3B coach just as I am with A.J. Ellis as a bench coach. The problem with Utley is that if he is going to bat regularly, we're going to need someone else there. Maybe he can be an apprentice or understudy so that he'll be ready once his playing days are over.
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Greinke a D-Back?! (2 Updates) 

Post#173 » by Ranma » Fri Dec 4, 2015 10:12 pm

The source just announced that Greinke is a D-Back. WTF?! I don't care if I look like an utter moron for being fooled. I just hope it's a troll job.


1st Edit: Dude said that Boras was Greinke's agent when Casey Close is (just like for Kershaw) so there's an indication that he's wrong or a fraud. Plus, it seems coincidental that his sources come from the Dodgers and Diamondbacks organizations.


2nd Edit: Rosenthal is now reporting the D-Backs have jumped into the race, but the source dude beat him by an hour and 20 minutes. Plus, I've included an excerpt from an ESPN Insider piece stating the Dodgers' extreme reluctance to guarantee Greinke that 6th year. This can't be a coincidence and it looks like ZG found someone to give him that extra year, after all. At this point, I'd rather look at backup options.



idnt-h8urteam via DodgersDigest.com comments
Greinke is a DBack according to my source.

trying to get more info.

BREAKING: Im told this is a done deal, but trying to get more information. Greinke to AZ.

Every source I have for the DBax is confirming. I'm CERTAIN that this is a done deal.

I'm trying to reach my DBax FO source, but he's currently in a meeting but everyone I spoke to has told me that contract is being reviewed and it's closed to done. I'm as shocked as anyone.

I know it seems odd. Greinke spoke about winning being an important factor, but he also said whoever paid him the most $ would gain his services. Also with Boras involved you never know.

Pile on in the mean time.

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Zack Greinke will decide soon where he will land next, and sources say the Dodgers have been extremely reluctant to guarantee a sixth year in their offer, in order to win the bidding against the Giants.

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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#174 » by Quake Griffin » Fri Dec 4, 2015 11:52 pm

Looks like 2 NL West teams trying to drive the price up on our team.
I say we back off, take the draft pick and move on.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#175 » by Neddy » Sat Dec 5, 2015 12:14 am

Quake Griffin wrote:Looks like 2 NL West teams trying to drive the price up on our team.
I say we back off, take the draft pick and move on.


for that money and length, I agree that this is the time to walk away from the negotiating table and redistribute that money to say, Kenta Maeda for 20 mil posting fee + 55 mil for 4 years with the last year a team option, and Hisashi Iwamura for 3 years for 40 million.
that still comes out roughly 27 million per year for shorter deals for both and we still have room to add a quality setup man, or take on a few more million and trade for Chapman for what is still roughly the same amount of what Zack is asking.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#176 » by Neddy » Sat Dec 5, 2015 12:23 am

alternative option A) Johnny Cueto for say, 5 years 125 million plus an option year with a buyout

Kershaw - Cueto - Anderson - Wood - Magic Mike until Ryu and McCarty are back... although if everyone stays healthy and injured guys back at full swing, this team can be lethal in the post season, with
Kershaw - Cueto - Ryu - McCarthy with Anderson - Wood - MM waiting but it has too much injury risk between Cueto/Ryu/McCarthy/Anderson.


or


or as I proposed B) Maeda and Iwakuma for less than Greinke's money

Kershaw - Kuma - Anderson - Maeda - Wood with Magic MIke ready in case Anderson breaks down before Ryu and McCarty are back.
with this latter scenario, by the playoffs we can actually man a rotation that is very competitive.
Kershaw - Kuma - Ryu - Maeda with McCarathy/Anderson/Wood/Magic Mike as replacement atlernatives? and Urias for Sept call up? damn I like the volume option. even with injury concerns, if one of the two Japanese guys work out and stay healthy and just one between Ryu and McCarthy is back 100%, we still have enough talent and volume to man up a 4 men rotation. and most importantly we do not have Donny Potato pushing Kershaw out on 3 day rests and leaving him in for 7th innings when he is gassed anymore.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#177 » by Quake Griffin » Sat Dec 5, 2015 1:17 am

bring on that draft pick and let's move forward.

Zack you were great during your time here. Sucks it had to be this way but this was best.
enjoy him Arizona.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#178 » by Neddy » Sat Dec 5, 2015 1:43 am

Quake Griffin wrote:bring on that draft pick and let's move forward.

Zack you were great during your time here. Sucks it had to be this way but this was best.
enjoy him Arizona.



wonder how his social anxiety will play out if he is no longer a #2 guy but the highest paid ace of the staff. Arizona is relatively a small market but if he goes to SF, well?
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#179 » by Neddy » Sat Dec 5, 2015 1:49 am

it's official. Greinke is a snake. and by that I mean he is now a member of the Arizona's ball club.

glad it's Dave Stewart who's gonna get fired in 5 years for this deal. most importantly he didn't go to the Giants.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#180 » by Quake Griffin » Sat Dec 5, 2015 1:54 am

lol, my post a long way of saying that it was official. my fault. I'll be more clear next time

6 years for 195.
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