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Re: Kings @ OKC | Dec 6, 2015 

Post#41 » by SacKingZZZ » Mon Dec 7, 2015 11:01 pm

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SacKingZZZ wrote:They have to find an identity and the ball is still in coach Karls court. Always has been. Getting Karl players he can use is probably not even an option at this point. Karl has to adjust now, the players gave it a shot and there are only so many more attempts left.


The up-tempo, dribble-drive offense needs to end. Who exactly on the roster benefits from that style? We need to move back to being post oriented. We have Cousins, Gay, and Koufos. Every possession starts with one of them in the post. Maximize shooting around them and go from there. The goal is to get the other team in foul trouble, slow the game down, and dirty the game up.

We saw this strategy work beautifully under Malone with inferior personnel. We would frequently have teams in the penalty within the first half of quarters and the pace of the game would be in our favor. Cousins was thriving. Rudy was thriving. Collison was thriving. The only counters to this strategy last year was zone defense and fronting Cousins because we didn't have a floor general capable of directing the team in these situations. I believe Rondo is intelligent enough to solve that problem.



Maybe he can find a balance? Certainly you don't want Cousins to stay put down low and become one dimensional but clearly, trying to up the game into as many possessions as possible is working against them just like it did for many of Karls predecessors who attempted the same thing.
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Re: Kings @ OKC | Dec 6, 2015 

Post#42 » by SacKingZZZ » Mon Dec 7, 2015 11:05 pm

KF10 wrote:7-15 and it is not getting better. The Kings currently owns the 5th worst record in the NBA. Sixers, Nets, Lakers & Pelicans are worse teams than the Kings so far.

I'm sorry but I don't see the light at the end of the tunnel.

There are too many flaws from the coaching and to the players.



The only light, if you consider it a light, is right now .500 might get you in to the playoffs. But does that just mean a nice horrible sweep in the first round and a lost pick? I know people will point to the games back, but you have to look at everything in context. The Kings have to be a pretty good WINNING team from this day forward to have any shot.
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Re: Kings @ OKC | Dec 6, 2015 

Post#43 » by SacKingZZZ » Mon Dec 7, 2015 11:11 pm

Kings2013 wrote:The reason why I didn't get super excited over Ben's game in Houston is because I knew it just could have been a game of the season for him, and we'd still be on track to potentially replacing him this summer. Frustrating, but that's what he's been to Kings fans for three years. Hoping for consistency I don't have the energy to do, if it happens it's a plus but not something to be absolutely counted on..



It's tough in the life of an offensive player getting 10 shots one game, then 2 in another. I'd like to see Karl go with Anderson myself. Even if his offense isn't happening he does provide effort on the defensive end. Not just that but he's pretty good at getting around screens and trailing his man. I say give him a real shot and see if his shot can start falling. He might be a decent band aid going forward. This 6 minutes every 3 games for certain players is just getting ridiculous. Karl set forth the path of instability with the way he handled preseason and his rotating lineup idea.
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Re: Kings @ OKC | Dec 6, 2015 

Post#44 » by bleeds_purple » Mon Dec 7, 2015 11:14 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:Maybe he can find a balance? Certainly you don't want Cousins to stay put down low and become one dimensional but clearly, trying to up the game into as many possessions as possible is working against them just like it did for many of Karls predecessors who attempted the same thing.


Obviously Cousins wouldn't be an exclusive low-post player. I like him hitting threes as a trailer. And I'd have him spacing the floor when Gay was posting. What I don't like is him in the pick and roll. He's just not effective in that spot. I'd much rather see WCS set the pick and put Cousins on the baseline waiting for the pass or spotted up at the wing.

That being said I honestly believe virtually all possessions should start in the post. That doesn't mean it has to end in a post up shot. It's just a means of setting the pace and drawing the defense in. If I was setting up the rotations I'd have one of Gay or Cousins in the game all the time which is easy to do (Cousins sits mid-way through the second; Gay sits to start the second (or vice-versa); rinse and repeat for the second half) and one of them would be posting up with some Koufos post ups sprinkled in. You add to that some Rondo pick and roll action with Gay/Koufos/WCS and some weak-side action and you have yourself an offense. Its really not rocket science.

Somehow I get the feeling that Belinelli wouldn't be shooting in the mid-30s if he was spotting up for open threes rather than taking twirling fadeaways off ball-screens. Same could be said for Gay and same could be said for Cousins being so banged up crashing to the floor every other possession. Who is thriving in this system? Rondo and Casspi. Who is failing? Cousins and Gay. Shocker.
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Re: Kings @ OKC | Dec 6, 2015 

Post#45 » by SacKingZZZ » Mon Dec 7, 2015 11:36 pm

bleeds_purple wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:Maybe he can find a balance? Certainly you don't want Cousins to stay put down low and become one dimensional but clearly, trying to up the game into as many possessions as possible is working against them just like it did for many of Karls predecessors who attempted the same thing.


Obviously Cousins wouldn't be an exclusive low-post player. I like him hitting threes as a trailer. And I'd have him spacing the floor when Gay was posting. What I don't like is him in the pick and roll. He's just not effective in that spot. I'd much rather see WCS set the pick and put Cousins on the baseline waiting for the pass or spotted up at the wing.

That being said I honestly believe virtually all possessions should start in the post. That doesn't mean it has to end in a post up shot. It's just a means of setting the pace and drawing the defense in. If I was setting up the rotations I'd have one of Gay or Cousins in the game all the time which is easy to do (Cousins sits mid-way through the second; Gay sits to start the second (or vice-versa); rinse and repeat for the second half) and one of them would be posting up with some Koufos post ups sprinkled in. You add to that some Rondo pick and roll action with Gay/Koufos/WCS and some weak-side action and you have yourself an offense. Its really not rocket science.

Somehow I get the feeling that Belinelli wouldn't be shooting in the mid-30s if he was spotting up for open threes rather than taking twirling fadeaways off ball-screens. Same could be said for Gay and same could be said for Cousins being so banged up crashing to the floor every other possession. Who is thriving in this system? Rondo and Casspi. Who is failing? Cousins and Gay. Shocker.



Yeah, never has been. Karl isn't using pick and roll like Smart did though, and that's a good thing. Karl is using it more to provide spacing and movement. Cuz in a two man game the way Smart attempted was just horrible. I wish Shaq cared and wasn't such an absentee owner. He'd be throwing desks over seeing a dominant big running pick and roll. He's just in it to get in the "club" so he can eventually buy the Lakers IMO, but that's another story.
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Re: Kings @ OKC | Dec 6, 2015 

Post#46 » by Kings2013 » Wed Dec 9, 2015 7:25 pm

I know it's late for this game, but I can't let it go without posting it. The love for Rudy in Sacramento is tempered by the unclutch play he has exhibited throughout his tenure. I'm not just talking about the terrible last play of this game but two years in general of bad closing moments and not coming through without Cousins. It's an annoying thing his lack of clutch play here, hopefully that comes up if he will be here a lot longer

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