Bradley Beal - Part II

Post #1821 » by **nate33** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:46 pm

I don't see either Cousins or Favors being available for Beal. I think we need to be realistic and look at trades like Beal + filler for Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder. But at this point, given his injury, we might be better off doing nothing and then quietly leaking our frustration with his health and lack of improvement. Drive down his free agency value so that he can be resigned for $10M a year or so.

Post #1822 » by **nate33** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:50 pm

And that was a brutal analysis, FAH1223. Thanks for posting. It really confirms my beliefs. Beal has become way too much of a ball stopper. He needs to be more willing to take the quick catch-and-shoot rather than always try to put the ball on the floor. He needs to be sent to the Greg Popovich school of basketball where you never hold the ball for more than 2 seconds and never dribble unless it's a direct line to the basket.

nuposse04 · Post #1823 » by **nuposse04** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 11:00 pm

nate33 wrote:I don't see either Cousins or Favors being available for Beal. I think we need to be realistic and look at trades like Beal + filler for Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder. But at this point, given his injury, we might be better off doing nothing and then quietly leaking our frustration with his health and lack of improvement. Drive down his free agency value so that he can be resigned for $10M a year or so.

I agree Avery is better right now... but with regards to him specifically... Avery was pretty mediocre in every season PRIOR to this IMO. He isn't a guy I'd "covet." Crowder is a good player, seems to be an Ariza level player. I just wonder if Avery's production is more of the system they are employing in boston and everyone finally buying in, cause his massive improvement came out of no where IMO.

I actually wonder about ORL, with the Oladipo situation... I'd probably take Victor at this point with andrew nicholson.

Maybe Beal for CJ Mccollum+vonleh/ed davis.

But the latter is more likely.. we will probably hold onto him until the trade deadline and pending how he comes back will determine what is future holds. I'd probably reluctantly agree to a 13-14 million dollar extension and hope his medical issues can be resolved in the next few seasons. Just seems so strange he is getting the same injury every season. They need a permanent minutes restrictions on him it seems.

MikeTheKid · Post #1824 » by **MikeTheKid** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 11:38 pm

Sorry Nu but PDX aint trading McCollum now especially how well hes played next to Lillard this season

Post #1825 » by **TheSecretWeapon** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:32 am

nate33 wrote:I don't see either Cousins or Favors being available for Beal. I think we need to be realistic and look at trades like Beal + filler for Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder. But at this point, given his injury, we might be better off doing nothing and then quietly leaking our frustration with his health and lack of improvement. Drive down his free agency value so that he can be resigned for $10M a year or so.

If the Wiz could get Crowder for Beal, they should just do it. Don't see why Boston would make that trade, though.

AFM · Post #1826 » by **AFM** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:46 am

If Beal had an ugly looking jumpshot form would he still have the same reputation?

Where's CCJ been?

Post #1827 » by **TheSecretWeapon** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:49 am

Here's a good article that explains a stress reaction.

AFM · Post #1828 » by **AFM** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:02 am

TheSecretWeapon wrote:Here's a good article that explains a stress reaction.

Stress reaction aint chit. Beal has to buckle up. Greg Jennings scored a TD with a broken leg.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P0yfq2wDvU[/youtube]

JWizmentality · Post #1829 » by **JWizmentality** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:05 am

Yup, done with Beal. Wish him well wherever he ends up.

littlerock2277 · Post #1830 » by **littlerock2277** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:08 am

We paid that dumbass ross 11mill per year no way Beal gets anything less than that even with his injury/consistency issues.

JWizmentality · Post #1831 » by **JWizmentality** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:09 am

Don't know what we'd get for Beal at this point. Nothing of the Cousins or Favors variety though.

AFM · Post #1832 » by **AFM** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:10 am

littlerock2277 wrote:We paid that dumbass ross 11mill per year no way Beal gets anything less than that even with his injury/consistency issues.

You are absolutely right
Beal will command close to the max, that's the nature of the league these days. And his reputation for outweighs his production.

AFM · Post #1833 » by **AFM** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:11 am

We arent trading Beal, theres absolutely no way in hell Ted or EG would ever sign off on that. If you post on this board you should know that. He'll be resigned for the max, or close to it.
This talk about him getting 10M a year is ridiculous.

Post #1834 » by **TheSecretWeapon** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:14 am

AFM wrote:We arent trading Beal, theres absolutely no way in hell Ted or EG would ever sign off on that. If you post on this board you should know that. He'll be resigned for the max, or close to it.
This talk about him getting 10M a year is ridiculous.

I think you're absolutely correct.

Sluggerface · Post #1835 » by **Sluggerface** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:15 am

AFM wrote:We arent trading Beal, theres absolutely no way in hell Ted or EG would ever sign off on that. If you post on this board you should know that. He'll be resigned for the max, or close to it.
This talk about him getting 10M a year is ridiculous.

I agree that the team isn't trading Beal, but he's not getting a max offer. You don't give a guy with a history of stress injuries a contract without some form of insurance, and i'm not buying that some "dumb" gm will give him a max offer, essentially forcing the team into a "max or walk" scenario.

Just because there's going to be ass loads of money to throw around this upcoming summer doesn't mean teams are going to be liberal with their risk management assessments.

At least I hope the league/Ernie are not really this stupid.

MJG · Post #1836 » by **MJG** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:23 am

Beal could be out for the season and we'll still max him this summer.

AFM · Post #1837 » by **AFM** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:46 am

Sluggerface wrote:
AFM wrote:We arent trading Beal, theres absolutely no way in hell Ted or EG would ever sign off on that. If you post on this board you should know that. He'll be resigned for the max, or close to it.
This talk about him getting 10M a year is ridiculous.

I agree that the team isn't trading Beal, but he's not getting a max offer. You don't give a guy with a history of stress injuries a contract without some form of insurance, and i'm not buying that some "dumb" gm will give him a max offer, essentially forcing the team into a "max or walk" scenario.

Just because there's going to be ass loads of money to throw around this upcoming summer doesn't mean teams are going to be liberal with their risk management assessments.

At least I hope the league/Ernie are not really this stupid.

Do you remember the deal Arenas got?

Post #1838 » by **nate33** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:36 am

AFM wrote:
Sluggerface wrote:
AFM wrote:We arent trading Beal, theres absolutely no way in hell Ted or EG would ever sign off on that. If you post on this board you should know that. He'll be resigned for the max, or close to it.
This talk about him getting 10M a year is ridiculous.

I agree that the team isn't trading Beal, but he's not getting a max offer. You don't give a guy with a history of stress injuries a contract without some form of insurance, and i'm not buying that some "dumb" gm will give him a max offer, essentially forcing the team into a "max or walk" scenario.

Just because there's going to be ass loads of money to throw around this upcoming summer doesn't mean teams are going to be liberal with their risk management assessments.

At least I hope the league/Ernie are not really this stupid.

Do you remember the deal Arenas got?

Before Arenas' injury, he was a top 10ish player in the league. Beal isn't even a top 10 SG. Hell, he's not a top 100 player in this league.

AFM · Post #1839 » by **AFM** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:10 am

nate33 wrote:
AFM wrote:
Sluggerface wrote:
I agree that the team isn't trading Beal, but he's not getting a max offer. You don't give a guy with a history of stress injuries a contract without some form of insurance, and i'm not buying that some "dumb" gm will give him a max offer, essentially forcing the team into a "max or walk" scenario.

Just because there's going to be ass loads of money to throw around this upcoming summer doesn't mean teams are going to be liberal with their risk management assessments.

At least I hope the league/Ernie are not really this stupid.

Do you remember the deal Arenas got?

Before Arenas' injury, he was a top 10ish player in the league. Beal isn't even a top 10 SG. Hell, he's not a top 100 player in this league.

Oh yeah, I agree with you Nate! Arenas was probably a top 2 GOAT SG at the time.
I'm just sating, dont underestimate what GMs will pay

closg00 · Post #1840 » by **closg00** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:43 pm

Right now I am thankful that Beal turned-down our early extension offer, I am certain it was very generous knowing Ernie. I hope Ernie let's Beal walk like Larry Hughes rather than pay him even half a Max players yearly salary.